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Doomforge
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posted April 10, 2009 11:32 PM

Yeah, indeed. I hoped for an ending where Potter dies, (PERMANENTLY), but ofc no...

As for the "extra epilogue", ahh, it's that thing. i've seen it already. Too sweet. Definitely.
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posted April 10, 2009 11:44 PM

You wanted Harry Potter to die at the end of the first book?
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posted April 10, 2009 11:47 PM

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You wanted Harry Potter to die at the end of the first book?
Wow, it's all that humurous and charming and then that...

You got issues, man
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posted April 10, 2009 11:51 PM

Well this would work better if Doomforge was responding to people like myself and FOG instead of just writing whatever he pleases.
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posted April 10, 2009 11:53 PM

I was attacking Doomforge
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Cepheus
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posted April 10, 2009 11:57 PM

Damn right it's too sweet, but it's not a plothole  And we're not talking about X-Men or Silent Hill here.

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posted April 10, 2009 11:59 PM
Edited by del_diablo at 00:09, 11 Apr 2009.

The thing i liked about Harry Potter was that Harry was not "the guy", he was rather "the guy who fell into a mess at the wrong time, but got out alive".
Timethingy? Its a sort of a plothole, but the problem about it are the mess you can do with it. And the mess about it. First you need to know where Voldemort is, and the more time you use the bigger chance of running into someting and cause dramatical effects. Its banned purely because of the mess it can cause.
But i agree on "everything goes bad for the main character", its a plot sukker! The fact that someting happened each year was a bit of "highly illogical", but meh it had its charm. The charm hiddes it. Heck they could have skipped 1 year to clear up a little. Maybe as far as 2, but its a "no need to redo that" at the moment.


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It's like dragon ball. DB has one of the worst plot ever, and the constant powerup cycle sucks ***, but it's incredibly popular.


Lets start with the basics. Dragonball could have ended after the first saga, after the first use of the Dragonballs. At the time Bulma was also the main character.
Then we go onwards.
Goku went to train with Master Roshi and met Krillin who also got to train there after a little ordeal. Then they go at the World Tournament, ending up with supreme victory for Master Roshi(remove the ape transformation and we got a winner quite quick). As he thinks, he must stop them from instantely becoming champs at the point or it would be no good for them.
Then we got the ordeal of the Red Ribbon army. I have only watched a little and have yet to get my hands on those manga chapters so i'm a little blank on that one.
The next big event was the 2nd world tournament they participated in. Roshi lost to a student of his old pal Tenshian was it? It ends with a draw in the finals. Krillin gets nerfed at the point if i remember correctly.
Its quite long. The real plotholes has yet to appere except the fact that Goku automaticaly outgrows everybody else at a small rate.
Among the fans there is defined in that Dragonball(the manga) is divided into 2 series in a way. Dragonball and Dragonball Z(quite noticeable).
The powerups you mention is from Z i guess, Z was all about powerups and badass staring(less in the manga ). The ridiculess amount of plotholes is here. And don't talk about the Anime when regarding it, the anime got snowloads of filler scenes and small changes.....

Edit: I agree on 1 thing, anybody who writes a book should avoid ridiculess plotholes at all costs.
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posted April 11, 2009 12:04 AM

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Surely, nobody ever loved his/her kids, friends, family or whatever before, and nobody ever noticed that it can prevent death with a spell, until our wise Lily Potter here. Did no one ever try? If so, how did she know what spell to use? What a steaming pile of dog crap.



You missed the point entirely.  It may be a possible source of your relationship troubles.
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Elvin
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posted April 11, 2009 12:35 AM

What seems kinda cheap with Harry is that he always comes out unscathed no matter how better, more experienced or prepared his opponent may be. Yu-gi-oh syndrome, believe in the heart of the cards and you will draw the crucial card just one turn before you lose
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posted April 11, 2009 01:16 AM

Harry ends up in the hospital wing all the time. Plus he was certainly emotionally scarred by Cedric's death - not to mention Sirius's death.
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posted April 11, 2009 01:26 AM

Irrelevant. He always survives against any odds as if protected by a higher power. Speaking of Cedric it is slightly ridiculous that he would get away from Voldemort's clutches when he was reborn, he always seems to find a Deus Ex Machina for a quick escape.
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posted April 11, 2009 01:30 AM

So, we can conclude that Harry Potter is MacGyver for kids?  Let's get real, this is no isolated offence.  I've lost count of the number of franchises that employ character shields.

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posted April 11, 2009 01:34 AM

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He always survives against any odds as if protected by a higher power.
He is. By the power of love...
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posted April 11, 2009 01:35 AM
Edited by DagothGares at 01:36, 11 Apr 2009.

A force from above...
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posted April 11, 2009 01:56 AM

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Let's get real, this is no isolated offence.  I've lost count of the number of franchises that employ character shields.

It isn't and that is why I can't think of it any better. But in many other franchises the hero does have the skill or a reasonable explanation to get away with things, here he does just because he's Harry Potter. Which is probably why so many wanted to see him dead.
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posted April 11, 2009 02:02 AM

Persoanlly, I think that whether the writer keeps someone alive or not may be a statement the writer makes. Now, I haven't read the seventh(, neither have I read your review in fear of major spoilers about the seventh, I have read all the othrs though), so I don't know what the conclusion of the story is or what the message behind the series is, but if Rowling decided to keep him alive, maybe she meant something with it.

SPOILER!!! Leave now, if you haven't read the sixth!
The death of dumbledore certainly was a metaphor for something.

Or maybe not... Maybe she'd grown attached to the character or the publisher made her sign a contract that says she has to remain kid-friendly.

Anyway, I don't know exactly why he had to die and probaby don't wish to know so... just sharing a POV, tha's all
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posted April 11, 2009 02:14 AM
Edited by Elvin at 02:16, 11 Apr 2009.

In the seventh he faces even more ridiculous odds As for Dumbledore story-wise he had done his part and given Harry clues on what to do next, had he been alive the battle could not have been between Voldemort and Harry. For some reason the mentor is almost always dead or disabled when the protagonist faces his nemesis be it for lack of originality or cryptomnesia Big part of the seventh book is doubt on what to do next, much like in lotr after Gandalf's death. Maybe it was meant as a journey of self-discovery? Or yet another plot change to keep you on your toes.

Btw.
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posted April 11, 2009 03:19 AM

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Irrelevant. He always survives against any odds as if protected by a higher power. Speaking of Cedric it is slightly ridiculous that he would get away from Voldemort's clutches when he was reborn, he always seems to find a Deus Ex Machina for a quick escape.
That's what happened *ahem* to a real-life dude called Joseph Stalin which was born in a super-poor family and was imprisoned more than 9 times, 4 of which he got away flawlessly.

And then... you know what.

Fairy tale! Definitely conspiracy by the Nazis...
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posted April 11, 2009 03:27 AM

Did he by any chance have to defeat/evade a powerful magician out of his league along the way?
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posted April 11, 2009 03:29 AM

Still peasants getting to power so quickly and even with trouble along the way seems that way
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