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posted May 22, 2009 11:41 PM |
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Jesus told Christians to preach repentance of sin. I must repent of my sins. You must repent of your sins. God loves everyone. Christians love everyone.
Any person who says he is a Christian who hates gays or anyone else is a liar according to the Bible.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Oh really? Then what is your opinion on being homosexual then? Or hetrosexual for that matter. Since Christ say you cannot hate, why are you against them?
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Now, the essay you posted is a pack of lies. I won't bother to comment on each part of the essay.
xD Your too funny man. I can image a situation like this:
"Its the orginal bible without all the cencoring!"
Elodin: "LIES!"
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That is a lie. And homosexual sex is specifically called sin even though the author of your essay dishonestly tries to twist the meaning of a number of passages.
But so is eating crabs, wearing certain kids of cloth and more. The author merely comments that:
*"Hey, lots is twisted in translations!"
*"There is enogh clobbering to sin of a priest in here that we ignore."
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1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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Even as Sodom and Gomorrha
............... Now to stop the ranting!
Its a fairytail implented in the old testment. If you also look trough it, and read it properly you will se that they was destroyed for 2 reasons:
*Proper adultery
*Not being Christian
None of Sodoms and Gomorrhas was gay, they was randomy doing ritual sex all over the place with the same gender. Oh and they was not praying to the allmighty God.
If i wanted to read about homosexuals i would rather read about:
*Ruth and Naomi
*David and Jonathan
*Daniel and Ashpenaz
And another pointer, if your going to use a few of the Mosaic code to condem homosexuals, the code prohibits:
*Heterosexual intercourse when a woman has her period (Leviticus 18:19),
*Harvesting the corners of a field (19:9),
*Eating fruit from a young tree (19:23),
*Cross-breeding livestock (19:19),
*Sowing a field with mixed seed (19:19),
*Shaving or getting a hair cut (19:27),
*Tattoos (19:28),
*Even a mildly disabled person from becoming a priest (21:18),
*Charging of interest on a loan (25:37),
*Collecting firewood on Saturday to prevent your family from freezing,
*Wearing of clothes made from a blend of textile materials; today this might be cotton and polyester, and
*Eating of non-kosher foods (e.g. shrimp).
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh2.htm
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posted May 23, 2009 12:44 AM |
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None of Sodoms and Gomorrhas was gay, they was randomy doing ritual sex all over the place with the same gender.
This is my favourite sentence in the OSM right now.
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posted May 23, 2009 03:09 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 03:11, 23 May 2009.
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Oh really? Then what is your opinion on being homosexual then? Or hetrosexual for that matter. Since Christ say you cannot hate, why are you against them?
My opinion is that homosexual sex is sin as the Bible says.
You must have some really strange relationships if you can't disaprove of a person's actions withoug hating them.
I am not "against" anyone.
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But so is eating crabs, wearing certain kids of cloth and more.
No. Those sorts of things were a part of the ceremonial law. The ceremonial law was not carried over into the New Covenant. The New Covenant has nothing that is purely ceremonial.
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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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Oh spare me.
Sorry, but that verse showed the author of your essay was making false statements about what the Bible teaches.
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............... Now to stop the ranting!
Its a fairytail implented in the old testment. If you also look trough it, and read it properly you will se that they was destroyed for 2 reasons:
*Proper adultery
*Not being Christian
Lol! You are the one ranting. You arethe one who brought up the subject of homosexuality in the first place, randomly accusing Chrstians of being gay bashers.
And Christianity was not even around when Sodom was destroyed. Christianity did not come into existence for thousands more years.
No, normal adultry was not whey Sodom was destroyed. I already showed from the book of Jude that Sodom was destroyed mainly because of homosexual sex. If you would like I can go basicly through the passage in Genesis that deals with Sodom and show that you are wrong. And there are other passages that deal with what happened in Sodom as well that I can reference.
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If i wanted to read about homosexuals i would rather read about:
*Ruth and Naomi
*David and Jonathan
*Daniel and Ashpenaz
Sorry, but your reference is wrong. None of those people were gay.
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And another pointer, if your going to use a few of the Mosaic code to condem homosexuals, the code prohibits:
I already dealt with the question of ceremonial law earlier in the post. Threre are no days, sabbaths, cleaan/unclean foods or any other purely ceremonial thing in the New Covenant.
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posted May 23, 2009 01:56 PM |
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My opinion is that homosexual sex is sin as the Bible says.
It states either of these:
*Either men engaging in ritual sex in Pagan temples
*Men having sex in a woman's bed.
*Heterosexuals having sex with a member of the same sex.
*Homosexuals having sex with a member of the opposite sex.
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Sorry, but that verse showed the author of your essay was making false statements about what the Bible teaches.
Its a shame the author is a "what i have read is the truth"-beliver. How can he spell lies with what is written? Add on that he admites that we humans tend to mess it up under translations, if its not the truth its pretty darn close.
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Lol! You are the one ranting. You arethe one who brought up the subject of homosexuality in the first place, randomly accusing Chrstians of being gay bashers.
Nah, your the one ranting. I am accusing you of someting you are doing, add on the fact of the evidence in addition that kind of proves it.
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No, normal adultry was not whey Sodom was destroyed. I already showed from the book of Jude that Sodom was destroyed mainly because of homosexual sex.
Question: Is there a differnce betwhen random ritual sex and normal sex? Because there is and its quite obious.
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If i wanted to read about homosexuals i would rather read about:
*Ruth and Naomi
*David and Jonathan
*Daniel and Ashpenaz
Sorry, but your reference is wrong. None of those people were gay.
? But they all was. Just take a look over the times moral and what they was doing together.
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No. Those sorts of things were a part of the ceremonial law. The ceremonial law was not carried over into the New Covenant. The New Covenant has nothing that is purely ceremonial.
I already dealt with the question of ceremonial law earlier in the post. Threre are no days, sabbaths, cleaan/unclean foods or any other purely ceremonial thing in the New Covenant.
Then why are you just using that 1 law, while banishing away the rest of them? Its highly illogical, its like you just keep that one just to bash/ban homosexuals.
Another note according to what you belive: Why would God itself creat homosexuals when it would comdem them? That makes little to no sense.
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posted May 23, 2009 02:06 PM |
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oh uh, so I guess god created hard drugs then...
At least, under some philosophy, everything that is permitable under free will is permissible under divinity.
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religion is.... humanity's way to poke itself in the eye with a sharp stick for no reason
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My opinion is that homosexual sex is sin as the Bible says.
It states either of these:
*Either men engaging in ritual sex in Pagan temples
*Men having sex in a woman's bed.
*Heterosexuals having sex with a member of the same sex.
*Homosexuals having sex with a member of the opposite sex.
Believe what you want to believe. It says nothing about pagan templse. It was already forbidden for a Jew to worship a pagan god. That was the death penalty. It was already forbidden for a Jew to have sex outside of marriage. That was the death penalty.
I asked you before if you wanted me to go through some more Scripture about homosexual behavior. I guess you do since you just keep on making stuff up.
Some say Sodom wasn't destroyed because of homosexual conduct but what does the Bible say?
Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha ... giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
"Giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh." is from the Greek EKPORNUESASAI and APELTHOUSAI OPISO SARKOS HETERAS. The first is a combination of the Greek PORNEIA, which is derivation for our English word “pornography,” and the prefix “EK,” which means “out of.” The second phrase literally means “going after different flesh.” The operative word here is “different,” which is from the Greek HETERAS. In this context it refers to sexual relations that are “different” than normal sexual relations, i.e., homosexual relations.
Ezekiel 16: 49-50 ... this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom...And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
The sodomites commited abomination( Leviticus 18:22 also states that homosexual conduct is an abomination.) The judgement of Sodom occured before the giving of the Law to Moses. Therefore the judgement of homosexual conduct as an abomination can in no way be considered as mere ritual uncleaness, but can only be considered as morally reprehensible.
Similarly, in Judges 19:22-25 where the sons of Belial wanted gay sex (again the word is yada'), gay sex was called wicked and vile. The same word "know" was used in this passage as in the Genesis passage below. "Know" in the context means to have sex with.
Before the angels went to Sodom, God said:
Geneis 18:20 ... Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 19:4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
Here the men are saying they want gay sex. Nothing about rape *yet.*
6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
Lot said their desire for gay sex was "wicked" Lot was a preacher of righteousness who was vexed by their behaviour(2 Peter 2:4-8) Now, the sodomites got mad when Lot preched to them that gay sex is "wicked" and thereated to hurt the preacher of righteousness, Lot. They said he had no right to judge them and he better stand aside or they would rape him and the men in his house (they didn't know his guests were angels.)
9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
“Sodom” is used as a figure of sexual sin and is referred to as the place of divine judgment over two dozen times in Scripture (cf., Dt 29:23; 32:32; Is 1:9-10; 3:9; 13:19; Jr 23:14; 49:18; 50:40; Lm 4:6; Ez 16:46-56; Am 4:11; Zp 2:9; Mt 10:15; 11:23; Rm 9:29).
Let's look at one more passage about Sodom.
2 Peter 2:6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
The word translate "unlawful" is arsenokoite¯s (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. So the overwhelming evidence is that the main sin for which Sodom was destroyed is homosexual conduct.
Leviticus 18:22-30 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination... And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants...[ye] and shall not commit any of these abominations;...(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled).... That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you... For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people... that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: ...
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Romans 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Then why are you just using that 1 law, while banishing away the rest of them? Its highly illogical, its like you just keep that one just to bash/ban homosexuals.
The commandment against homosexual sex is a moral law, not a ceremonial law. Ceremonial laws have to do with things like feast days, sabbath days, clean/unclean foods, animal sacrifice.
Homosexual sex was condemned before, during, and after the Law of Moses and so can't an all be considered a ceremonial prohibition. Sodom was before the Law of Moses.
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Jesus told Christians to preach repentance of sin.
"Christianity" didn't arose untill after Jesus allegedly died.
Stop speaking bull.
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As a Christian I believe animal sacrifices are not necessary. However, I support the right of others to sacrifice animals that they own.
Such an interesting sense of morals you have 
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posted May 23, 2009 09:44 PM |
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Jesus told Christians to preach repentance of sin.
"Christianity" didn't arose untill after Jesus allegedly died.
Stop speaking bull.
You seem to have no knowledge of one of the most basic messages of the Bible. All the Old Covenant prophets preaches repentance, Jesus preached repentance, his disciples preached repentance, his apostles preached repentance, and he told all Christians to preach repentance.
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Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
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Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
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As a Christian I believe animal sacrifices are not necessary. However, I support the right of others to sacrifice animals that they own.
Such an interesting sense of morals you have
I believe in the rights of others to worship in a way different than I do. I am sorry you don't apparently don't share those same values.
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posted May 25, 2009 04:58 AM |
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Do U fanatic with bibble?
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posted May 25, 2009 07:00 AM |
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So Elodin do you theoretically acknowledge satanists and/or infant sacrifices as different types of faith and worship?
Just asking.
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posted May 25, 2009 07:03 AM |
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Do U fanatic with bibble?
My friend, someone claimed the Bible said something it did not. That individual brought up the subject in question, not me.
I am presenting the evidence of what the Bible actually says. That is not fanatical. Please don't call someone a fanatic just because you don't agree with their position.
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So Elodin do you theoretically acknowledge satanists and/or infant sacrifices as different types of faith and worship?
Edit: Mystical asked almost the identical question already and I ansered it basicly as yes, it is a religion but practices calling for such things as sacrificing others are not protected under the Constituion because the Constitution gives each person the right to life and such an individual has no right to take my life. You can look back in the thread and find another detail or two of what I said.
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posted May 26, 2009 12:25 PM |
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I once had the most polite coworker. He was a Jahova's Witness, and we used to have some very enlightening conversations. During one of these sessions I asked a question he never could answer. Though I did put some stipulations on the answer.
1) Without quoting YOUR bible.
2) WIthout saying "Because my bible is correct" or any variation of that.
3) Without putting down any of the other religions.
4) and finally not saying anything by 'rote' (ie just because your church tells you something)
Why should I worship Jahova and follow your beliefs, and not the beliefs of say the Mormons or Catholics or Budist (spelling?). Basically I asked without just quoting scripture and what others have told him why HE believed what he believed.
If you really want to know why I believe what I believe I can tell you. I realise that I may be WRONG about my beliefs, for I am human, and humans make mistakes. It works for me, however.
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posted May 29, 2009 05:19 AM |
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Yes human sometimes did wrong things. And about beliefs, each of them have different faith. So There must be the truth about faith that cannot be all true.
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posted May 29, 2009 07:04 AM |
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So sacrificing animals is alright because the Constitution doesn't forbid it?
Alright, allow me to put all of this in order.
1) The Constitution defines what's right and what's wrong.
2) It was written by men who are the cornerstones of American civilization.
3) A lot of wars were lead under the banner of that Constitution.
4) But you still believe in it because it was a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
5) People fail to see that it still can be a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
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1) The Bible defines what's right and what's wrong.
2) It was written by men who are the cornerstones of Christian civilization.
3) A lot of wars were lead under the banner of that Bible.
4) But you still believe in it because it was a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
5) People fail to see that it still can be a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
I'm just drawing this parallel cause lately I've gotten that idea that Western Democracy of today plays a similar global role as Catholicism in the Middle Ages.
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posted May 29, 2009 08:23 AM |
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So sacrificing animals is alright because the Constitution doesn't forbid it?
Alright, allow me to put all of this in order.
Sacrificing animals is ok with me because I think people have freedom of religion. If you don't, fine.
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Alright, allow me to put all of this in order.
1) The Constitution defines what's right and what's wrong.
2) It was written by men who are the cornerstones of American civilization.
3) A lot of wars were lead under the banner of that Constitution.
4) But you still believe in it because it was a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
5) People fail to see that it still can be a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
Sorry, I think Anti-Americanism is just ignorant and bigoted. If not for America you would be kissing Nazi butt right now. When they let you peek out from under their boot that is.
If you want to continue to bash America please do so in a thread other than "what is a religion" thread because you are off topic.
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1) The Bible defines what's right and what's wrong.
2) It was written by men who are the cornerstones of Christian civilization.
3) A lot of wars were lead under the banner of that Bible.
4) But you still believe in it because it was a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
5) People fail to see that it still can be a matter of misuse by the rich and the powerful.
I'm just drawing this parallel cause lately I've gotten that idea that Western Democracy of today plays a similar global role as Catholicism in the Middle Ages.
1) Yes, the Bible is absolutely true.
2) Written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
3) Ah, but you seem to have forgotten that over 250 million people dies at the hands of atheist tyrants over the past 100 years.
But Jesus never authorized his church to go to raise an army or go to war with anyone. Jesus said for Christians to love and pray for their enemies and to do good to them. Jesus did not start a political kingdom or authorize his church to kill anyone. He did say that there would be wolves in sheeps clothing pretending to be Christians who were not.
So anyone leading a war "in the name of Christ" was a false Christian. True atheists killed over 250 million people in the past 100 years.
4)That is a lie. You can't know why I believe what I do unless I tell you. If you are delusional enough that you think you can read my mind please seek professional help.
I believe in the Bible because it is true, because my human spirit witnesses to it, and because the Spirit of God within me witnesses to it. I am not sure of your religious beliefs other than that you appear to be anti-Christian. Perhaps you should examine your heart and come to grips with your feelings there.
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I'm just drawing this parallel cause lately I've gotten that idea that Western Democracy of today plays a similar global role as Catholicism in the Middle Ages.
Again, atheists have murdered more in people in the past 100 years than all other religions combined. No true Christians is a murderer however.
Oh, I am not Catholic.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
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Sorry, I think Anti-Americanism is just ignorant and bigoted. If not for America you would be kissing Nazi butt right now. When they let you peek out from under their boot that is.
Not really. There is a bigger chance that we all would have spoken japanese. You forget alot about WW2, or you have not had enogh informtion about it in School.
Even if the Nazis had won the war and the japanese did not take over the other part of the world, there is a big chance of heavy regime change. They could also have lost against the Russians.
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So anyone leading a war "in the name of Christ" was a false Christian. True atheists killed over 250 million people in the past 100 years.
Eh, you know that true atheists are hard to find? They are VERY hard to find. Wikipedia says this:
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Atheism is the position that deities do not exist,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2] In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.[3]
Definition going by this, is very hard to find. Their often following the Darwins cult(if you understand that one). A atheist going by this is not a non-beliver, its somebody who do not belive there is a god or similar.
Most people are Agnostic anyway, not Atheists. Buddhists are in a way agnostic, but not pure agnostic in the sense of the term.
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Again, atheists have murdered more in people in the past 100 years than all other religions combined. No true Christians is a murderer however.
Flawed argument. 250 millions to a population of 5,5 billions. I do agree Stalin got quite the kill count, its undeniable. But remember its kills/population ration here. When there was only 10.000 people on earth, then killing a hundred was a genocide.
Do you count the people killed during the inquisitions and the great witch hunts as people killed by Christians? I wonder.
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posted May 29, 2009 12:06 PM |
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@Elodin
I'm not bashing anyone. But I'm seriously considering to start bashing you. ^^
If you believe that whoever mentions your constitution in any way is trying to make fun of your nation, well... that's saying a lot about that constitution, really.
Also if it weren't for the Soviets you'd be kissing Nazi butt too, but you still don't like them, do you?
Thirdly, if you can claim that atheism is an organized religion, I can sure as hell claim that democracy's a religion too. For the sake of the lulz.
You said that the crusades were committed by powerful and rich people pretending to be Christians and misusing the Bible.
Before that, I said that you believe that the crusades were committed by powerful and rich people misusing the Bible, and you said that's a lie.
You mentioned professional help?
About me being anti-Christian, I can sign a written statement that your posts have destroyed half of this forum's will to ever get in contact with Christianity, if you're its representative.
My heart is overjoyed when fanatical atheists call me religious and fanatical quazi-Christians call me anti-religious. Because then I know, everywhere inside me, that I'm on the right track.
I have up to now considered you fun - if nothing, you kept all the atheists on the forum busy. I am now however bound to inform you that from you just appeared on my poke-with-a-stick list.
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posted May 29, 2009 12:53 PM |
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3) Ah, but you seem to have forgotten that over 250 million people dies at the hands of atheist tyrants over the past 100 years.
But this "fact" doesn't turn the theist wars into good ones, does it?
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So anyone leading a war "in the name of Christ" was a false Christian.
Dispite the fact it is always easy to judge people after they died instead during their "regime", I will now turn this argument of yours againts you:
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True atheists killed over 250 million people in the past 100 years.
I say those haven't been true atheist, but "smart" christians! They knew they weren't allowed to kill all those people because the bible forbids it, so they just claimed themselves atheist to get their work done!
Can you prove me wrong?
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posted May 29, 2009 03:54 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 15:54, 29 May 2009.
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Flawed argument. 250 millions to a population of 5,5 billions. I do agree Stalin got quite the kill count, its undeniable. But remember its kills/population ration here. When there was only 10.000 people on earth, then killing a hundred was a genocide.
Do you count the people killed during the inquisitions and the great witch hunts as people killed by Christians? I wonder.
Nah, not a flawed argument at all.
No, Christians did not do the inquisitions or witch hunt. By the way about 25 withces died in the witch hunt. I don't recall the number in the inquisition. Maybe 3000.
But Christ never authorized his church to kill in his name or to punish sinners for sin.
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I'm not bashing anyone. But I'm seriously considering to start bashing you. ^^
It appeared you were bashing America and Catholicism. I'm not Catholic but I hate for people to start bashing religions.
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Also if it weren't for the Soviets you'd be kissing Nazi butt too, but you still don't like them, do you?
Nah, American would have carried the day.
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, if you can claim that atheism is an organized religion, I can sure as hell claim that democracy's a religion too. For the sake of the lulz.
Nah, democracy has nothing to do with any belief fo gods, spirits, what is holy, sacred, ect. A political system can't be a religion.
Athiests in America have demanded to have a say in every religious holiday and sued to be recognized as a religion. The Supreme Court said they are a religion.
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You said that the crusades were committed by powerful and rich people pretending to be Christians and misusing the Bible.
Before that, I said that you believe that the crusades were committed by powerful and rich people misusing the Bible, and you said that's a lie.
You mentioned professional help?
Your statements certainly appeared to be drawing a parallel, saying America was warmongering today and Catholicism was warmongering in the past.
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About me being anti-Christian, I can sign a written statement that your posts have destroyed half of this forum's will to ever get in contact with Christianity, if you're its representative.
You mean the people who like to trhrow insults my way and then get mad if I hold up a mirror? Some pepole think Christians are supposed to be a doormat and are used to abusing others. When people start accusing Chrisitnas of this and that I point out what atheists have done and they get rather angry it seems.
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I say those haven't been true atheist, but "smart" christians! They knew they weren't allowed to kill all those people because the bible forbids it, so they just claimed themselves atheist to get their work done!
Nah, Jesus said he is the Lord only of those who obey him. No murderer has the life of God in him.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
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