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Hexa
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posted January 04, 2002 03:57 PM

I will continue this with you in IM .. don't want to hurt anyone's feelings on this subject!@
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Aculias
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posted January 04, 2002 04:04 PM

it's good everyone has a different point of view on this subject. This is such a serious subject
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posted January 04, 2002 04:14 PM

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and I think I havce the right to say a few things... suicide is ALWAYS the easy way out of something... people that kill themselves are cowards and selfish... they just want to get away of their problems and never think of all those they leave behind mourning... self-sacrifice is something that takes guts, suiicide is not...


My count is three friends by now...

But you are very right - selfish cowards. At least that was my opinion for them AFTERWARDS.
Their environment is that killed them. If they had much more hard times in their lives they would not do it.
But they grew under their parents or society wing and  every hit with the real life makes them depressed. Coz they are weak. READ "DUNE". People living in hard conditions are strong.
There are lots of orphanes there, poor people, hungry people, but they fight to their last breath.

People who suicide in most cases are normal, but weak due to their environment.
(I am exluding some clinical cases of brain damage, inherited brain malfunction or brain chemical reactions)



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Hexa
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posted January 04, 2002 04:18 PM

arghhh You're so wrong ...
Better close this thread I think before we start hurting people with our perceptions!@
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posted January 04, 2002 04:20 PM

You know everyone has their own point of view. It should not get you angry shoot they experienced a loss too. Think about why they feel this way before you get mad
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posted January 04, 2002 08:36 PM

People who suicide are the most selfish and self-centered people of all...

They think that their problems are the worst problems in the world...but they are in acuallity the same problems that alot of other people face.

All they think about is themselves...they don't love or care for anyone but themselves, if they did they wouldn't even consider putting their so called loved ones through the pain and anguish of a suicide.

They are too self centered to even ask for help...they don't think that anyone else can help them if they couldn't help themselves.

The children, spouces, parents, siblings, friends that they had are meaningless to them...they would rather face their problems themselves and take the cowards way out, than seek help from these people.

Suicide is a permanant solution to a temporary problem that creates permanant devastation to the ones left behind.

Let your friends help...they can't help if they don't know you have a problem...

(As you can probably tell, I have had a friend suicide and leave his wife a two young kids, I will never drink a toast to the bast@rd.)


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Lith-Maethor
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posted January 04, 2002 08:44 PM

Oldtimer...

you scare me... you just described me back then...
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posted January 04, 2002 08:46 PM

Oh no! Don't tell me that you want to suicide too!!
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Hexa
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posted January 04, 2002 08:51 PM

I'm not gonna respond to this
I'm not gonna respond to this ... Hexa mumbles to himself!@
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posted January 04, 2002 09:25 PM

A very serious thread indeed

  I don't know how would I react if I knew that someone want to commit a suicide (hope I'll never experience that in my life). I can say that I would try to help him, but, knowing myself, I'm not sure about that.

  I never experienced a suicide of someone I know, or an attempt (never heard of one), and, luckily, never thought about it myself.

  Everyone who passed thru this in some way is right in his opinions, but sometimes the circumstances play a big part of it. If I would talk to someone who tried (Someone I know in RL) the most interesting question for me would be the most difficult - why? What pushed a person to that limit, and tried to help in a suitable way.

  Suicide is not always comes from loniness or lack of attention, as an example - the suicide of Curt Cobain, the vocal and the leader of the Nirvana group. You can't say he had lack of attention, or he was alone, it was exactly vice versa - he did it because he couldn't handle the sucess.
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posted January 05, 2002 02:06 AM

This is a good thread with alot of different point of views.
It's unfortunate that there are suicide all the time but why.
sometimes i think they tried everything but they feel no one loves them because no one ever showed any love.
Maybe they think they failed everyone & that everyone hates them & they are to scared.
Maybe something happened illegally & suicide was the only reason.
Maybe they were framed on something so drastic that they have no other way out.Maybe being locked up somewhere like in an institution & they just could not take it anymore.
There are so many reasons.
But when one of my brothers did what he did, tons of friends & family were at the funeral.
Dang! it was really sad seeing his family in tears his  brother & sisters.
Was there any other way jeesh it was so bad he was not even in the casket at the memorial.
Why I guess we will never know except guess.
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Wesley
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posted January 05, 2002 02:23 AM

If I would be really down one day.

I would never kill myself..
If I would go down I would take others with me.. And I would become a criminal I guess.

The point is ... It will never happen.. I don't think I have the curage(Good?) too put an Knife on my arm.. or throw myself on the subway..(And no reason eather..)

Many people think people that do suicide are very evil and selfish.. I think that's not true.. because those people are really down at that moment..
Only I think you better not drop yourself for a train or stuff. It's not fair too take a train guy with you..Because that man will have nightmares till the end of his own life.. But I think you better talk too a (man who helps crazy guys/gals or people who are down or lifesick, forgot his name) before ending your life..(They have studied it they maybe find a way too talk you over it) You also must think about the people who will find you. and its not a very plesant sight for you family/mother/brother or sister too find you death..
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posted January 05, 2002 02:31 AM

Precisely right Wesley because my best friend actually laid on the tracks just moments before the train did what it did.
The parents were never the same since.
They were the ones to have nightmares of things they only read about on that day.
Yes it is true that you feel so  hopeless & so low that it leads to suicide.
It is so sad but it is reality.
Makes me think how fast this world is really going then When i was younger & i am getting older.
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posted August 05, 2003 11:20 PM

Very good topic...having in mind the fact that I have just managed to deal with my suicidal depression just 3 months ago.And I must say, reading some of you're answers really hurt me.I'm talking about the ones when somebody says that ppl who commit suicide are cowards who only think about themselfs and don't care about others.I'm not standing up for myself saying I'm not a coward.Maybe I am.It is true that my problems seemed to be the worst in the world, to me at least.But that is irelevant.Even tough there are much worse things, to the person who is suicidal, to me in that case, it didn't matter.I knew there were problems worse than mine.But I didn't have them.i had my own problems, which were painful enough for me to make me try kill myself.One thing about suicidal ppl is true.It is true and there is no doubt about it.The perfect way of making a person not kill himself is by oferring him the love he needs.And by this I don't only mean the love of a boyfriend\girlfriend, I mean simply the love of somebody.For a man whos world is coming to an end, there is no grater thing than knowing, that he is loved, wanted and needed by someone in this world.That is the greatest gift of all.
I, personally, found another way out, but that's just me.If you want to prevent someone from comiteing suicide, offer them the love and affection they need.Loave and affection, the feeling that you are wanted by someone, that's all they'll ever need.
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posted August 06, 2003 03:11 PM

When my daughter was 4 yeard old, her grandfather shot & killed his wife {grandma}, then turned the gun on himself, and commited suicide. They were my in-laws, at the time, and left the entire family shattered. Ther was no obvious indication that something like this was about to erupt. In fact the previous day, they had driven 2 hours to get a new military dependan id card for my mother in-law.

The only thing that we can figure, is that granpa, who was the step-father to my husband and his siblings, was jealous because he had mentioned that the kids all loved her "more" than him.

My daughter saw no lines in how much she loved her grandparents, and it was so selfish of him to take them both from us. My daughter is now 14, and I yet have the heart to tell her what really happened. We led her to believe that they were killed in an "accident". After all she was only four years old, and loved them both deeply.

Had there been any indication that something like this was about to happen, we obviously would have tried to do something to prevent it.
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posted August 07, 2003 12:45 AM

My sister's made 2 attempts on her life, both whilst having children recently born. I hold the belief that she was mentally ill (especially since she also threatened to kill me by waving a knife in my face), therefore to a certain extent, her actions were not totally hers to control.

She is my sister though, and whatever she has done, whatever her reasons, this is not something to forget. Those events were 5 years ago, and since seeking help, she has improved 1000 times over. So I guess I'm saying, it's not a simple Coward thing, because not everyone is capable mentally of rationally making that decision, but capable of the action.
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tigerangelz
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posted August 07, 2003 04:15 AM

Postpartum depression is a very common prelude to childbirth. I only experienced a mild case of it, it seems your sisters was much more severe.
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Depression after childbirth can strike 10%-15% of women. Physical and hormonal changes, and stress from motherhood responsibilities can affect moods, leading to mild or major depression, or more serious mental disorders. Some mothers may get a little down, get the "baby blues" (Postpartum Blues), while other mothers may experience major depression (Postpartum Depression) or the severe mental illness "Postpartum Psychosis".


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posted August 07, 2003 02:24 PM

Which is why I do not hold her actions against her
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posted August 07, 2003 02:32 PM

Sucide is not the easy way out. If you believe after sucide there is judgement then there is judgement...but to those who do not know that and think sucide is the easy way out..it's not. I for one is suffering,and I can't commit sucide. Now that's real pain.

If only we just die and finish like that,that would be nice,but my religion forbides me to do it...
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posted August 07, 2003 07:43 PM

You know Tiger Angelz that one of the hardest times in your life is that your daughter deserves the truth & it's understandable to hide such a sad tradegy but she will find out eventually either from other sources or you.
It would be the right thang to do if she heard it from you but of course when the time is right.
Hearing it from other sources could let to resentment & regret.
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