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antipaladin
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posted September 03, 2009 09:32 PM

LOL!
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Lexxan
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posted September 03, 2009 10:29 PM

ROFLMAO!!!!

The best laugh I had in days
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mvassilev
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posted September 03, 2009 11:19 PM

I don't know, but there was some cult that told its members to imagine that they were having sex with Jesus. (If they were male, they were supposed to imagine themselves as female, to avoid homosexuality.)
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Elodin
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posted September 03, 2009 11:34 PM

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Please show me how is that offensive. Lets take an example:




You compared me answering questions to a person with a compulsive sexual disorder.

Yes, I post on most days, but not on all days. I did not post yesterday for instance. Somtimes I travel and don't post for a week or more.

Furthur there are quite a few people who post on a daily or near daily basis.

Perhaps you could refrain from negative posts about people and address their points instead.

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antipaladin
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posted September 04, 2009 09:07 AM

this was a joke,you said you offensed by it,i find offensive your unposible to prove claim that gnostic are fake!
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alcibiades
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posted September 04, 2009 09:27 AM

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ROFLMAO!!!!

The best laugh I had in days


Yes, that totally deserves a peanut.
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Shyranis
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posted September 04, 2009 02:48 PM

Can't believe I never weighed in.


All religion is acceptable. If a follower commits violent acts, they must be punished but it's not the fault of the religion. Possibly some hateful preaching by some fringe group within it may have incited somebody mentally unstable, but free religion and free speech are protected.




Anyway, there seems to be 2 types of Gnostics. The types referred to previously in this thread and the other type I will describe.

The term Gnostic comes from the Greek word for Knowledge. Agnosticism is the opposite, but generally gets confused by some for Atheism, which isn't the case. A person can be a Gnostic Theist (I believe and I know God exists), an Agnostic Theist (I believe in God, but cannot prove he exists, so why bother?), an Agnostic Athiest (I don't personally believe in God and don't really care one way or the other) and finally, the Gnostic Athiest (I don't believe in God and know he doesn't exist). Essentially, the Gnosticism in this case cements peopel into their positions and the most heated debates come from the Gnostics while the Agnostics sit on the sidelines wondering what the point is ^_^
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TheDeath
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posted September 04, 2009 05:03 PM

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i find offensive your unposible to prove claim that gnostic are fake!
He can say the same about you proving God fake too you know.
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Seraphim
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posted September 04, 2009 06:02 PM


1 A guideline to people who have no guide for their useless life.
2 See above. It is not at least something bad.
3 Mostly theist-agnostic
4 Too many reasons.
5 You die.Its like just as you were born,you won't be able to comprehend anything.
6 skipped
7 Meh,maybe having no human and mechanical "Obstacles".
8 Yes they do.Science is made of facts,religion of faith.
9 Somebody did not write the books quite well in those times.
10 It is the best thing that humanity has.What would guide the thousands of idiots and imbecilles.

PS: iam not saying that people who believe in religion are mad,I am saying that it helps anti social and asocial people to become something useful.

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antipaladin
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posted September 04, 2009 06:02 PM

while i did not prove god is fake,i just said im offended becouse it is unproved,i did not said i proved i said i like to secrifice people in the name of Ares.
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Kraken
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posted September 04, 2009 09:37 PM
Edited by Kraken at 21:40, 04 Sep 2009.

Ares is Awesome.
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Elodin
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posted September 06, 2009 08:51 PM
Edited by Elodin at 20:54, 06 Sep 2009.

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while i did not prove god is fake,i just said im offended becouse it is unproved,i did not said i proved i said i like to secrifice people in the name of Ares.


I'm not sure why you would offended by someone saying gnosticism is not true. Even more so since you say you are an atheist. I did give a link showing the gnostic book you mentioned was a fake.

I could care less what god you worship or don't worship or what you read or don't read other than having a concern for your soul.
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antipaladin
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posted September 07, 2009 12:38 AM

i can show you dozen of links that prove you otherwise,thats besides the point.
I say im offended just as you can say you are offedned if i flame christnity.
and are you worried for my soul? but hey i do agree that they say that the afterlife is a better place,no body came back did they?!
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wog_edn
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posted October 22, 2009 05:36 PM

Apparently Jesus came back ... didn't wanna see his father yet I suppose. Elodin (and most christians/religious) won't even consider that God does not exist, why should non-believers consider that he does exist? Sure I can be objective ... but except an ancient book and a bunch of preachers there really are no proof that God exists. We can't prove there is no such thing as "God", because that is simply impossible ... not because he exists, but because there is no way (that religious people would accept at least) to actually prove it.
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posted October 22, 2009 05:43 PM

That's the trick. If there was some sort of ultimate proof, there would be no belief.

But again, there are no proofs for Higgs boson, either, they are just predicted to exist. That's why humanity built Large Hadron Collider, so we can see whether they do exist or not.

So, not everything that doesn't have strong evidence is automatically BS. Perhaps we will be able to check whether a God does or doesn't exist one day.

Until that time, it's entirely up to faith. You either have one or don't.
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Elodin
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posted October 23, 2009 12:48 AM
Edited by Elodin at 01:49, 23 Oct 2009.

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Apparently Jesus came back ... didn't wanna see his father yet I suppose. Elodin (and most christians/religious) won't even consider that God does not exist, why should non-believers consider that he does exist? Sure I can be objective ... but except an ancient book and a bunch of preachers there really are no proof that God exists. We can't prove there is no such thing as "God", because that is simply impossible ... not because he exists, but because there is no way (that religious people would accept at least) to actually prove it.


I have no idea what you are saying in your first sentence.

You are right that I won't consider the possibility of God not existing because I have both subjective and objective proof that he does. I am filled with the Spirit of God and speak in tongues. That is my subjective proof. I have seen others be healed of things medical science can't cure them of and been healed of minor ailments myself. There is objective proof.

A big objective proof is the existence of the universe. Due to entropy the unverse can't be eternal. The laws of thermodynamics also make it quite clear that the universe could not come into existence from absolute nothing with no cause. The first cause, the uncaused cause, could only be the self existant Eternal God.

Big Bang? What caused it? Singularity? What caused it?

There is NO evidnce that God does not exist.

Now, I will take your statement and apply it to atheists. There are many atheists who will not consider the possibility that God exists.

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posted October 23, 2009 03:46 AM

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subjective proof

eh? /confused

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Elodin
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posted October 23, 2009 05:30 AM

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eh? /confused


I thought it was pretty clear that I was refering to spiritual experiences such as speaking in tongues, the faith in my heart, the way the Word of God is quickened within me, feeling the annointing of the Spirit upon me, dreams and visions, ect. Proof that you would reject but that is valid proof and personal proof to me. A relationship with God is not an academic exercise, it is an experience.

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posted October 23, 2009 07:29 AM

Well, the thing is, that there is no way for a human to know whether any "revelation" is the real thing, imagination, or a deceitful action of a potentially harmful "spirit" (what you'd call the opposite of god). Subjectively, I mean.

For all the rest, there is nothing more dangerous than making assumptions based on partial or incomplete knowledge. We certainly know more about the "world" (in a general sense, not the planet) we live in, than, say, the old Egepytians 4000 years ago. But that "knowledge" doesn't justify any certain conclusions - science as we know it can't be used to prove NEITHER existance NOR inexistance of god.

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posted October 23, 2009 09:54 AM

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Big Bang? What caused it? Singularity? What caused it?

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Extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past. This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity. How closely we can extrapolate towards the singularity is debated—certainly not earlier than the Planck epoch. The early hot, dense phase is itself referred to as "the Big Bang", and is considered the "birth" of our Universe. Based on measurements of the expansion using Type Ia supernovae, measurements of temperature fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, and measurements of the correlation function of galaxies, the Universe has a calculated age of 13.73 ± 0.12 billion years. The agreement of these three independent measurements strongly supports the ΛCDM model that describes in detail the contents of the Universe.

The earliest phases of the Big Bang are subject to much speculation. In the most common models, the Universe was filled homogeneously and isotropically with an incredibly high energy density, huge temperatures and pressures, and was very rapidly expanding and cooling. Approximately 10−37 seconds into the expansion, a phase transition caused a cosmic inflation, during which the Universe grew exponentially. After inflation stopped, the Universe consisted of a quark–gluon plasma, as well as all other elementary particles. Temperatures were so high that the random motions of particles were at relativistic speeds, and particle–antiparticle pairs of all kinds were being continuously created and destroyed in collisions. At some point an unknown reaction called baryogenesis violated the conservation of baryon number, leading to a very small excess of quarks and leptons over antiquarks and antileptons—of the order of 1 part in 30 million. This resulted in the predominance of matter over antimatter in the present Universe.

The Universe continued to grow in size and fall in temperature, hence the typical energy of each particle was decreasing. Symmetry breaking phase transitions put the fundamental forces of physics and the parameters of elementary particles into their present form. After about 10−11 seconds, the picture becomes less speculative, since particle energies drop to values that can be attained in particle physics experiments. At about 10−6 seconds, quarks and gluons combined to form baryons such as protons and neutrons. The small excess of quarks over antiquarks led to a small excess of baryons over antibaryons. The temperature was now no longer high enough to create new proton–antiproton pairs (similarly for neutrons–antineutrons), so a mass annihilation immediately followed, leaving just one in 1010 of the original protons and neutrons, and none of their antiparticles. A similar process happened at about 1 second for electrons and positrons. After these annihilations, the remaining protons, neutrons and electrons were no longer moving relativistically and the energy density of the Universe was dominated by photons (with a minor contribution from neutrinos).

A few minutes into the expansion, when the temperature was about a billion kelvins and the density was about that of air, neutrons combined with protons to form the Universe's deuterium and helium nuclei in a process called Big Bang nucleosynthesis.[34] Most protons remained uncombined as hydrogen nuclei. As the Universe cooled, the rest mass energy density of matter came to gravitationally dominate that of the photon radiation. After about 379,000 years the electrons and nuclei combined into atoms (mostly hydrogen); hence the radiation decoupled from matter and continued through space largely unimpeded. This relic radiation is known as the cosmic microwave background radiation.
The Hubble Ultra Deep Field showcases galaxies from an ancient era when the Universe was younger, denser, and warmer according to the Big Bang theory.

Over a long period of time, the slightly denser regions of the nearly uniformly distributed matter gravitationally attracted nearby matter and thus grew even denser, forming gas clouds, stars, galaxies, and the other astronomical structures observable today. The details of this process depend on the amount and type of matter in the Universe. The three possible types of matter are known as cold dark matter, hot dark matter and baryonic matter. The best measurements available show that the dominant form of matter in the Universe is cold dark matter. The other two types of matter make up less than 18% of the matter in the Universe.


And the talk about "personal and objective proof" is pretty much rubbish (see how I found a nice word instead of swearing? Proud of that ). I could just as well claim that God spoke to me and I am the new Messiah .. you couldn't prove me wrong

Oh, and you have NO evidence to show that God does exist .. except your own vivid imagination. Sure some might be able to heal, it might be possible that someone has gained some skills manipulating blood flows and stuff like that in your body ... but mostly through suggestion.
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