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fc_sp111
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posted October 17, 2002 02:52 PM |
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I used FAR. In Win2k and Win98.
Worked well.
Or you can use this prog:
http://www.hmmm.narod.ru/textedit.rar
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midnight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 20, 2002 06:57 PM |
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rmg versions
nice work fc, how the heck did u come across this file?
what we can aim for is controlled releases of new rmg files that will have lots of cool new templates in it.
Lets test it out over the next month or two and then we can post the first new rmg with contributions from those of us testing it out 
Here are some research questions:
* how do u get those huge stacks of monsters on the barrier maps like 2SM4d(2) Is it naturally what the generator wants to do if starting areas are adjacent?
* how do u control # of 2 way doors? be also nice to know why ring almost never has 2 way doors, but 6lm10 is littered with them.
* why 8xm8 seem to specifically have dozens of hives, but only the normal # of conservatories.
* why dwarven tunnels starts with 2 towns of exact same type, and neither have forts. I can see a heading "towns are of same type". might be a clue
seems like there r a lot of potential ways to influence a template
nb. noted a reference to the never implemented Forge town type, i presume this is Conflux.
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fc_sp111
Hired Hero
Let the Schwartz be with you
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posted October 21, 2002 09:53 AM |
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First of all, download:
http://www.hmmm.narod.ru/textedit.rar
its comfortable utility for view/edit txt files from hmm.
You can also download resourse editor, that i used to extract txt file:
http://www.hmmm.narod.ru/resedit.rar.
Dwarwen tunnels:
For sure, "ZONE ID" - 1 (also 2,3,4) - its human positions. then blah,blah,blah... then "PLAYER TOWNS" (we can see that minimum towns = 1 and minimum castle none =0) thats mean that starting town will be without a fort (town not castle). Then "NEUTRAL CASTLES" (we have 1 neutral town and 0 castles in this zone) and next (you right) "TOWNS OF THE SAME TYPE" means that these towns will be same.
8XM8:
I dont know for sure but i know section "TREASURE" effects on objects on map. For example try to make section "TREASURE" 500-500 10/ 0-0 0/ 0-0 0. You will see that will be only one or may be few objects. So these objects has value 500. For sure i know next:
Temple
Forntan of youth
Den of thieves
Tavern
Altar of sacriface
Marketplace
Swan pond
Sanctuary
Fontain of fortune
Rally flag
Has value 100.
Spell Scroll 1 level has value 500.
Not sure:
Magic garden
1st level shrine
has value 600.
Water wheel
Gold
has value 800.
So there is some value for hives also. And when we have interval 6000 - 12000 (like on 8XM8) then we have dozen of hives. But im not sure.
2SM4d(2):
Guard between zones describes in the end, column "VALUE" after column "CONNECTIONS". For example "VALUE=3000" its about 27 monsters of 2nd level.
About 2 way teleports i don't know while. But im sure the key in Rmg.txt somewhere.
yes forge its conflux.
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Titan_888
Known Hero
Wind of Change
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posted October 21, 2002 10:22 AM |
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holy crap!
no more random for me! 
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted October 21, 2002 06:44 PM |
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bah
so whatcha gonna do Omeskie?stare at the same maps you memorized 3 years ago?BLAH! 
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted October 21, 2002 08:24 PM |
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hmm can someone please explain this whole "text file thing" - meaning to a non randomer like me ? is it for example possible to force special templates to appear ? if so i have a nice idea for a random template tourney .
Nonrandomerschaaf
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Phantom1500
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 21, 2002 10:20 PM |
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Kakii Lyudi poyevilis'
Damn these random modifications seem pretty cool, have fun everyone.
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted October 21, 2002 11:35 PM |
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Yeah that is what is possible motor, as well as many other things. You can edit the rmg.txt file to force templates to appear. When the rmg.txt file is in the data folder, just deleting the template name will keep that template from appearing. Just have to make sure you dont edit the value rows as well.
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fc_sp111
Hired Hero
Let the Schwartz be with you
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posted October 22, 2002 08:28 AM |
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Da eto tochno Skolko let...
Na rabote inet halyavnii vot narod razvlekauu . A ti kakimi sud'bami?
Motor, Rychen is right. Got any question? Just post it here .
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arteman
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 22, 2002 08:48 AM |
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How to define monolith quantity
Quote:
* how do u control # of 2 way doors? be also nice to know why ring almost never has 2 way doors, but 6lm10 is littered with them.
Well, this is just a suggestion, cos i'm too lazy to check it myself:
here is the quote from 6LM10 Template
(Zone1 field value-Zone2 field value, ...):
Quote:
1-9, 1-21, 1-21, 2-10, 2-22, 2-22, 3-11, 3-21, 3-23, 3-24,
4-12, 4-22, 4-23, 4-25, 5-13, 5-24, 5-24, 6-14, 6-25, 6-25, 7-21, 7-21,8-22, 8-22, 9-10, 9-21, 9-23, 10-22, 10-23,
11-21, 11-24, 12-22, 12-25, 13-23, 13-24, 13-13, 14-23,
14-15,15-24, 15-24,16-25, 16-25, 17-21, 18-22, 19-24,
20-25, 21-22, 24-25
as you might see, there are some doubled (marked) meanings. I guess this is show that connection between these zones are monolith-portals (As another proof - there are no doubled zone connections on the ring, so...
I would like if someone from brave randomize cohort will test my theory and post results here and of course your ideas about one way doors are also wellcome.
C ya all, gl
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fc_sp111
Hired Hero
Let the Schwartz be with you
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posted October 22, 2002 09:02 AM |
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Possibly when two same connection like on 8XM12:
9 22
9 22
10 22
10 22
Its one way telepots.
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arteman
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 22, 2002 09:43 AM |
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...and one-way doors also!
Quote:
ideas about one way doors are also wellcome.
Well, here is my suggestion:
As usual Quote from 8XM12
(Zone1 field value - zone2 field value, ...):
Quote:
1-21, 1-24, 2-23, 2-25, 3-11, 3-14, 3-22, 3-26, 4-11, 4-15, 4-22, 4-27, 5-14,5-18, 5-26, 5-31, 6-15, 6-18, 6-27, 6-31, 7-28, 7-30, 8-29, 8-32, 9-21, 9-22, 9-22, 10-22, 10-22,
10-23, 11-3, 11-4, 11-22, 11-33, 12-24, 12-26, 12-26, 13-25, 13-27, 13-27, 14-3, 14-5, 14-26, 14-33, 15-4, 15-6, 15-27, 15-33, 16-26, 16-26, 16-28, 17-27, 17-27, 17-29, 18-5,
18-6, 18-31, 18-33, 19-30, 19-31, 19-31, 20-31, 20-31,
20-32, 21-24, 23-25, 28-30, 29-32
Marked blocks are supposed one-way portals values, so idea is: if you want to put pair one-way entrance-exit portals in 2 zones, you need enter ZoneNum1-ZoneNum2 (other connections between other zones in numerical order till zonenum2) ZoneNum2-ZoneNum1.
Remember, that editing the rmg you must according to original format
This method unfortunately do not define only entrance or only exit, but enthusiasts wellcome as well.
C ya all, gl.
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fc_sp111
Hired Hero
Let the Schwartz be with you
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posted October 22, 2002 09:57 AM |
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We need to check this.
I receive two way monolith on Ring using 1-10 for example and later 10-1.
Another good question: Why we got different type of roads on different templates?
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fc_sp111
Hired Hero
Let the Schwartz be with you
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posted October 22, 2002 10:52 AM |
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I just tested these things about monolith, and seems to me when zones are not adjacent, generator place monolith to connect them.
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Titan_888
Known Hero
Wind of Change
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posted October 22, 2002 11:59 AM |
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Quote:
so whatcha gonna do Omeskie?stare at the same maps you memorized 3 years ago?BLAH!
BAH
im gonna do the same as you tewiskey!
Stare at the same game for rest of my life!
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted October 24, 2002 03:09 AM |
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Quote:
Quote:
so whatcha gonna do Omeskie?stare at the same maps you memorized 3 years ago?BLAH!
BAH
im gonna do the same as you tewiskey!
Stare at the same game for rest of my life!
me too
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Morgoth
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 24, 2002 11:26 AM |
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Beginner
Hey all,
I feel kinda stupid but I am new to looking at .rar files. I am using windows 98, and I have tried notepad, wordpad and I have downloaded the textedit program that was suggested. But all I see when I open a file is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Do I need some kind of .RAR compiler or something. Haha, tnx ahead of time for the help if Im not too far lost.........Morgoth
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Destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted October 24, 2002 12:08 PM |
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MOrgoth..
Yes .rar files are a type of compression file.. You simply need to DL the programs
WinZip
WinRar
or WinAce
ANy of these decompressors will open the file. Then you will be able to view it.
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The Dead Walk!!!
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Morgoth
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 25, 2002 08:06 AM |
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me again,
I have been able to extract the rmg.txt file to txtedit. And I have have erased all the names from the named templates, so they do not appear. But now I can not figure out how to replace the original RMG file with the one I edited. Anyone got help with this for me.
...............Morgoth
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted October 25, 2002 10:10 AM |
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There is not an original rmg.txt file
You simply place this file into data folder. That's all
(Isn't it?)
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