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posted December 13, 2010 07:53 PM |
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Federal Judge declares part of Obama's Health Care Law is unconstitutional and strikes it down.
The plot thickens.
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posted December 13, 2010 10:25 PM |
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Obama will take it to the Supreme Court where he will lose. The Marxist house of cards is falling.
The judge rightly ruled that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to make a US citizen buy anything.
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posted December 13, 2010 11:01 PM |
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*BUMP*
Federal Judge declares part of Obama's Health Care Law is unconstitutional and strikes it down.
The plot thickens.
Fine by this liberal it's a redundant part of policy anyways. After all no one needs to be forced to obtain health care. They do that on their own.
As a side note the terms "Marxist" and "Socialist" have been abused so much they have lost all meaning.
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posted December 13, 2010 11:03 PM |
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The British Health Care System sucks as its more like the lottery. Sometimes in depends on where you live in the country as to whether you get the medication you need. Take cancer for instance, in some cases there is a drug you can have to prolong life and ease your symptoms but as it is expensive it depends where you live in the country as to whether your health care trust will fund it.
If you have to pay for your prescriptions it costs you £7.20 per item in England where as if you live in Scotland or Wales and I think Northern Ireland you don't have to pay.
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posted December 13, 2010 11:54 PM |
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We'll see how it plays out. It has a long way to go before any of this stuff is written in concrete. It will end up in the Supreme Court and it could go either way. However they are highly unlikely to strike down the entire bill.
What I think is a bigger issue and more important, is the state's rights issue. With a number of states saying they won't go along with it, it becomes a jurisdiction issue. We already had a civil war over this. Maybe we'll get it right this time and finally tell the federal government to f*** off and put the power back in the states or localities where it belongs.
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posted December 14, 2010 12:01 AM |
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Binabik, you're certainly getting ornery in your old age. 
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posted December 15, 2010 01:46 AM |
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Yeah I got a confestion to make to you guys. You see I've been living in this state that provides health care to its poorer citizens and I got to say being opprosed by this socialst system is uhh...PRETY SWEET! I earn barly anything and yet I can afford health care, and I know someone in Virgina who can't get anything.
Yeah, but yay minimal government...yeah...
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The British Health Care System sucks as its more like the lottery. Sometimes in depends on where you live in the country as to whether you get the medication you need. Take cancer for instance, in some cases there is a drug you can have to prolong life and ease your symptoms but as it is expensive it depends where you live in the country as to whether your health care trust will fund it.
If you have to pay for your prescriptions it costs you £7.20 per item in England where as if you live in Scotland or Wales and I think Northern Ireland you don't have to pay.
Dude if you can find a country that doesn't have problems like that with their health care let me know because that guy in Virgina might want learn the language and go there. Thanks in advance.
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posted December 15, 2010 01:51 AM |
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Learn the language? Dude, people in England already speak American as their native language.
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posted December 16, 2010 12:12 AM |
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Learn the language? Dude, people in England already speak American as their native language.
Yeah but since England apparently has lots of problems with its health care system my friend wouldn't want to go to England he would want to go to a country that doesn't have such severe problems with their health care. (who deserves the trollface now?)
As far as I know there is no such country, because health care is a complicated issue that is difficult for anyone to resolve. America has most defiantly not resolved its difficulties with the issue, but frankly since my experience with "socialized medicine" is good I have more faith in "Obama care" than I do with an unreformed health care system.
Requiring people to buy health care was a mistake, but I nevertheless look forward to 2014 when the rest of the bill goes into affect. Futhermore I am certain that the fight to reform health care will start agian in the comming decade, and when it is over there will be more government intervention in health care not less.
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posted August 13, 2011 04:36 AM |
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A federal appeals court in Atlanta ruled Friday that a provision in President Obama's health care law requiring citizens to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, but the court didn't strike down the rest of the law.
The decision is a major setback for the White House, which had appealed a ruling by a lower court judge who struck down the entire law in January. But given that another appeals court, in Cincinnati, has upheld the law, it is increasingly clear that the Supreme Court will have the final say.
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On Friday, the divided three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals sided with 26 states that filed a lawsuit to block Obama's signature domestic initiative. The panel said that Congress exceeded its constitutional authority by requiring Americans to buy insurance or face penalties.
"This economic mandate represents a wholly novel and potentially unbounded assertion of congressional authority," the panel said in the majority opinion.
The majority also said that a basic objective of the law is to "make health insurance coverage accessible and thereby to reduce the number of uninsured persons." Without the individual mandate, the majority said, the law "retains many other provisions that help to accomplish some of the same objectives as the individual mandate."
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The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), the only private group to join the 26 states in the lawsuit, cheered the decision.
"Small-business owners across the country have been vindicated by the 11th Circuit's ruling that the individual mandate in the health-care law is unconstitutional," said Karen Harned, executive director of the group's legal center.
"The court reaffirmed what small businesses already knew - there are limits to Congress' power. And the individual mandate, which compels every American to buy health insurance or pay a fine, is a bridge too far," she said.
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posted August 13, 2011 06:23 AM |
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Heard about this. Actually quite a big deal. Supreme Court usually uses district level decisions as a basis for their own decisions. It's kind of like instant replay in NFL - lacking obvious visual evidence of a bad call, ref usually goes with the call on the field.
Not so surprisingly, most of the mainstream media outlets haven't really emphasized the news, because it's a bad omen for the Obama Administration - much worse than previous federal court decisions that ruled parts of the law unconstitutional. Yes, this one will likely have implications down the road.
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posted February 25, 2013 03:09 AM |
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*Major Bump*
And they say investigative journalism is dead. Well, it might mostly be, but there are still glimmers of greatness, as evidenced by this fabulous cover article in the recent US edition of Time Magazine. One of the best investigative pieces I've read - ever - and definitely THE best article I've come across that highlights everything, in a nonpartisan way, that's wrong with the US healthcare system. If anyone out there wants to understand why people in the US pay so much for healthcare, and why Obamacare is going to do next to nothing to fix it, you should read this article. In fact, I think everyone in the US should read it, because right now we're all slaves to a broken system. The article is long, but will be well worth your time to take a look at.
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posted February 25, 2013 03:34 AM |
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Ok later on I read and check
Free h-care isn't Marx ok?
You know world down
If people are 50 billion
Best go out 
Ok yes I have the question
If woman pregnant, but haven't money and property
What US can do?
Give free h-care or what is solution?
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posted February 25, 2013 04:12 AM |
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Let me tell you a small part of my experience with our 'wonderful' medical system. Mind you, some were actually great..others .. not so much.
On March 14, 2012 I began to vomit blood. I was rushed to the ER of my local hospital..who quickly determined that I was beyond their ability to care for. They got one IV in me, and tried 10 times to get the second in before giving up. (One in each arm is what they were shooting for). So I was given another ride in an ambulance to University of Cincinnati..most of which I do not remember, passing out from loss of blood..I do remember it took the ambulance driver 1 try to get the second IV in me. Yay.
I do not remember the next two days..at all. I was told that I flatlined twice, and was brought back both times. I lost a LOT of blood. On the first day my family was told not to get their hopes up, it looked like I would not make it, a miracle was needed. Miracle or not, on the third day I woke up. I had a breathing tube in me, and I was fastened to the bed by straps. Apparently, even in my unconscious state I had fought so hard to get that tube out of me, that it took quite a few nurses to keep me down (both male and female..the number alternates between 4-6 depending on who you ask) to keep me down..so they strapped me to the bed.
For the next few days..it was still touch and go, but finally I was moved out of the ICU. For two more days they observed me and I finally was allowed home. How much did that 6 days of life saving medicine, 2 ambulance rides, IV's, et all cost? $9,000. No that is not a typo..I didn't miss a zero. Nine Thousand. That is it. So..Yay.
Of course since I was off work for 6 days, I lost my job. Even after explaining that you know..I was half dead at the time. That is another story though.
Since then I have seen what my medicine would cost if I could pay for it, and I have seen what uncle sam would pay. The difference is mind blowing. That 9k it would cost me? Sam would pay 4k. Medicine that would cost me $72 a week? Sam pays 72 for a 90 day supply.
In one short year I've had cancer, Cirrhosis, and neuropathy. I've been put on the liver transplant list. Of course this is my own darn fault...all that drinking and drug use..oh wait..yeah did none of that..go figure. I hit the genetic lottery, only it was the bad one.
I can barely walk, my immune system is shot, my mind is swiss cheese from the extra toxins the liver can't process in my blood. I am poked, prodded, tested on..live in constant pain..yeah my life is the life of Riley, let me tell you. Tell anybody here that is healthy what..trade me lives. Sit and 'do nothing' for the benefits I get .. which is barely enough to put food on the table..but you get my broken body..and I will take your healthy body and work 80+ hours a week without complaint. Any takers?
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posted February 25, 2013 12:30 PM |
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This is such a good point supporting tax-financed healthcare. Very few people choose to get cancer, malaria or whatever. Of course they shouldn't have to pay huge sums for things "randomly" happening inside their bodies. Now lung cancer and self-inflicted things like that, those treatments should not be tax-financed.
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posted February 25, 2013 12:58 PM |
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Man, THINK, before you write nonsense. "Self-inflicted" is such an idiotic term, when it comes to health damage. What do you think, how many deseases and health problems are the result of eating refined sugar? Bad teeth? Eating sweets? Sorry, "self-inflicted". Liver problems? Did you drink alcohol in your life? Soryy ...
The question is, IF you smoke, and IF you get lung cancer, is the lung cancer a direct consequence of smoking? The answer is of course, NO, because if it was, EVERY smoker or at least an overwhelming majority of them would have to get lung cancer as well. So smoking may INCREASE THE RISK of getting lung cancer, but clearly it's not the only factor here.
Then there are accidents: you cut vegetables, lose the grip and, wham, you cut yourself with the knife. "Self-inflected". Do you have to pay the emergency treatment yourself because you should have taken more care?
Generally, a system like the British is fine, because it gives a faitly cheap and decent service to everyone, while allowing private institutions to exist as well.
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posted February 25, 2013 08:54 PM |
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It also sort of missed the point of the post. Do you think companies lose money when they sell to the government? Of course not. So if they make money selling a medicine for $72 for a 30 day supply, how much profit does that $72 for a 7 day supply bring in? That is about a 400% markup from the amount they would make from the government. A little insane don't you think? That 400% is also PURE profit. Who here would not love to make 5x what something cost (for a 4x profit as you subtract the original cost), let alone whatever percent markup they would charge the government.
The solution to the health care dilemma seems to be let the government buy the goods, then buy it from the government letting them make a 25% profit. Prices become drastically reduced, companies make money..it seems a win/win. Of course it is not that simple, and somewhere along the way somebody will be overly greedy..but at least on paper it looks good.
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posted February 25, 2013 10:14 PM |
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No private market-orientated entity will agree on fixed profit. If there is a way to win 500% out of some transaction, you can bet your ass that everybody will claim that this is the natural order of the world. Or 5000%. Add as many zeros as you want, the principle remains the same. Pin the percentage and they'll lose interest and probably move to other ventures/other countries where they can squeeze as much as possible. One way or another, the only way to fix (although not completely) the prices is to nationalize the needed industries - but that leads to other issues.
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posted February 28, 2013 06:44 PM |
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The government does nothing efficiently. Nothing. The government wastes taxpayer dollars at every turn. There is no reason at all to think the government would run any business any more efficiently than the private sector. The private sector has to worry about actually keeping costs down to stay in business.
And I still see no rational arguments about why one person should to forced to pay for another person's health care, TV set, boombox, car, entertainment or anything else.
Then there is the little thing called the Constitution, which the government tends to ignore and which liberals tend to hate.
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posted February 28, 2013 06:56 PM |
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WAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAH! the party I support didn't get in because of democratic majority! now I have to deal with not being catered to so WAAAAAAAAAH!
story of my life, my friend.
*Bro-hug*
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