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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted June 16, 2011 11:51 AM

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Actually weren't the Beastmen made AFTER the Orcs revolted?


That is my point. One thing that should be fixed

No, they didn't. Centaurs and Harpies existed at the same time Orcs did.

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Cepheus
Cepheus


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Far-flung Keeper
posted June 16, 2011 11:53 AM

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This endless whining is tiring, the franchise should just have died instead. At least it would have been less draining then having to read this constant complaining about all and everything they could ever come up with. Sure, the game may be bad. It may also be really bad. But frankly from what they have shown us so far it sure looks like itīs better then H5 in many many ways. For me thatīs about as much as I could hope for, and if thatīs the case I will be satisfied.    


True, I know fanbases who would throw themselves off cliffs just to see the mention of another game in their series. I can't blame anybody for having high expectations, though
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MrDragon
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Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 16, 2011 12:01 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 12:03, 16 Jun 2011.

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Half female half DOLPHIN ?!?!?!

What is this out rage?!?! what dolphin looks like a fish? They should know that dolphins AREN'T fish but mammals...

Anyway they look more like half lion-fish to me than any dolphin.

Also extremely valid point, I've seen few FISH look less like a Dolphin(MAMMAL) the the lower half of the Mermaid's body.
Lion Fish is indeed I'd say the best bet, something tropical, coral dwelling by any stretch with the deep red hues in there.
Though funnily enough, it would explain why they still have breasts if they don't lay eggs.

The people who are writing the creature descriptions are really dropping the ball here (though to be honest, they've already dropped it a few times on creature descriptions) and this I'd say is so incredibly basic, somebody should call them out on it.
Because the art, which I really like, it has a few niggles but is obviously well made and visually quite impressive despite those, does not deserve to have poor writing take a piss on it.
What happened here is a case of the writers going:
"Ok, what kind of fish can we throw at the Mermaid to evoke some sense of familiarity and respect?"
"Dolphins! people love dolphins!"
Guy in the back of the room: "Uhm... sir Dolphins aren't-"
"YEAH DOLPHINS!"
Guy in the back of the room: "Uhm... sir has anybody contacted the artist?"
"Shut up we're busy!"

FYI: the guy in the back of the room has a name..."common sense"

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tsar-ivor
tsar-ivor


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Scourge of God
posted June 16, 2011 12:07 PM
Edited by tsar-ivor at 12:11, 16 Jun 2011.

Well im glad they used a mammal/fish (dolphin, ye'h ye'h its a mammal but with certain qualities of a fish ) it would make sense to put a mammal with a mammal for the sake of science and reason rather then pure fantasy. (stating facts not my opinion since i have none on the subject, he he,) Never mind i said im glad hence contradicted myself.
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
posted June 16, 2011 12:09 PM

I dunno. For all I know, the desciptions may sound really good in whatever language they were localized from.

And the art is competently done (that which aren't cribbed anyhow), I'll give 'em that.
But seeing the mermaid, I can't help but thinking about Dominic Monahghan in drag and a fish costume.

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Dave_Jame
Dave_Jame


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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted June 16, 2011 12:10 PM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 12:16, 16 Jun 2011.

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Actually weren't the Beastmen made AFTER the Orcs revolted?


That is my point. One thing that should be fixed

No, they didn't. Centaurs and Harpies existed at the same time Orcs did.


Know your lore!!!

Orc creation: 330 YSD

Orc Revolt and Anti orc Crusade: 467-504

Creation of the beastman (as replacement for Orc) 512


Of corce Orc existed at the same time as beastman. but Orcs are a much older creation.
Beastman revolted sometimes later and had diverse faiths.
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Cepheus
Cepheus


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Far-flung Keeper
posted June 16, 2011 12:26 PM

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I dunno. For all I know, the desciptions may sound really good in whatever language they were localized from.


...considering they were localised from English and written by English-speaking writers...

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Know your lore!!!

Orc creation: 330 YSD

Orc Revolt and Anti orc Crusade: 467-504

Creation of the beastman (as replacement for Orc) 512


We took issue with this too, and the answer is that they retconned the Revolt and the Creation into the same event after some debate. It's their only retcon in the backstory of Ashan (so they say).
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admira
admira


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posted June 16, 2011 12:53 PM

I have a daydreaming about Asylum faction that comes from ancient/eldar race that actually teach the Wizard the method of living creature creation, so that the other quarter of the fauna has another creator well, but that is just me.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted June 16, 2011 01:03 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 13:13, 16 Jun 2011.

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..considering they were localised from English and written by English-speaking writers...
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I retract my statement then.

BTW, why have they not added the new creatures to the neutral section on the official site yet? Do they wait out the week or what?

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Wckey
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posted June 16, 2011 02:19 PM
Edited by Wckey at 14:37, 16 Jun 2011.

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Ashan guide to fantastic fauna: A wizard did it.

I have to agree with this. Can't some creatures exist just because they exist? Why do they need to have an explanation to how all creatures appeared in the world?

About dolphins... well, a mammal is needed to create another mammal, so kinda makes sense.

EDIT: I don't know if anyone saw that already, but Irina confirmed on facebook that Air elemental is a shooter. Interesting change
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Brukernavn
Brukernavn

Hero of Order
posted June 16, 2011 03:35 PM

He probably shoots lightning then, looking av the artwork. But I wonder if he'll do physical or magical damage? After all we know there are lightning air-magic spells. But perhaps he would be labled "caster" then.

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Kenishi
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posted June 16, 2011 04:08 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 16:17, 16 Jun 2011.

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Why wouldn't a draw be allowed? and what if the Cyclops has a turn immediately after that but before the end of the round? He could then still hit your creature and kill it.
They say Cyclopses only die at the end of the round, not at the start of their turn.


  Well i fell that way because they have gone to some lengths to avoid it, like Armageddon is no longer a spell but an ultimate ability and even then it doesn't affect demons ... so the chance of total annihilation of both troops with said ability is zero. But than again they might allow this outcome so it would give you something to think about when fighting against cyclops ...dunno will see.

   O so it works that way ... so basically i kill some they retaliate then there turns come the kills some of mine and only then the number I killed gets deducted ... I would have to see this in late game, and think if is over powered or not when you would fight throng of Cyclops even hundreds of them ...
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mike80d
mike80d


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posted June 16, 2011 04:36 PM

For a game based in a Fantasy universe, I don't get how people are so up in arms about semantics and believability of creature looks & abilities.  Hopefully the map editor comes with a good MOD guide to enable people to make the game as they see fit.

The Cyclops ability sounds both cool and fitting.  Hopefully this ability would help the Barbarian win a battle instead of a draw (if both creatures die).  Because this scenario wouldn't come up often, it'd be a nice little perk.  Or it can be contingent on if there's a first aid tent in the army to heal the Cyclops afterwards.

I also hope the Mermaid will be stronger in combat when fighting out at sea.  Its little things like this which can add good flavor to strategy & combat w/o it being game breaking.  A good example are Pirates in Homm4.  

Count me as one of the people who believe "More abilities = Better game."  I loved in KB how each creature had activated abilities.  It created a wide range of synergy in groups, and caused you to alter how you used a particular creature.  Sometimes a creature was offensive instead of support b/c of who you surrounded it with.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted June 16, 2011 05:18 PM

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For a game based in a Fantasy universe, I don't get how people are so up in arms about semantics and believability of creature looks & abilities.
For the same reasons people get up in arms about the Town Windows: Immersion & atmosphere.

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Karanshade
Karanshade


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posted June 16, 2011 06:22 PM

What about town windows ?

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Kenishi
Kenishi


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posted June 16, 2011 06:37 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 18:41, 16 Jun 2011.

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Or it can be contingent on if there's a first aid tent in the army to heal the Cyclops afterwards.


   No war machines in H6 only ballista ...


 EDIT for H6 it might work and brings bigger diversity in tactics but, even if it's a bit off topic, "More abilities = Better game." is a big no-no in a game like Red Alert 3 where every unit has some ability and just becomes a mayhem trying to play it, so I kind of understand some people looking at this concept with worrisome eyes, guess well see.  


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Brukernavn
Brukernavn

Hero of Order
posted June 16, 2011 07:13 PM

I like that the kingdom view is back, but why is that also in a window? It looks so small. What do the devs have against full screen views?

Anyway, I like that it's back.

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SBlister
SBlister


Famous Hero
Rakshasa Commander
posted June 16, 2011 08:08 PM

i have to agree with nighterror, they do look more like half lion fish than dolphins.
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SkrentyzMienty
SkrentyzMienty


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posted June 16, 2011 08:57 PM
Edited by SkrentyzMienty at 21:01, 16 Jun 2011.

I am astonished by how interesting and most of all unique and fresh the artworks look for the Mermaid and Phoenix. The Elementals look traditional (apart from Fire) but are IMO respectable successors of past incarnations.

Considering the Mermaid, I wouldn't imagine someone would label this hybrid as half woman half DOLPHIN. It of course looks like a lion fish as Nightterror noticed before. I would also like to add I LOVE the Mermaid's design in H6, especially that it has a more evil and mysterious feel than the one in H4. I hope she will have spellcasting capabilities.

The Phoenix, or more precisely Moon Phoenix, also presents itself very well so far, especially compared to the pitiful H5 version, and I am indifferent towards the colour change, and even like it as it's more unique and original.

Elemantals:

Air - The design is IMO the best yet, liking the proportions, and his face reminds me of Masks from Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex (if anyone played it). Too bad we don't have the comical relief of the H5 version though An interesting alternation is that it will be a shooter (from what I read on here), but will he retain his flying ability?

Earth - It is a more organic version of the one in H5. I like it. When I first saw it in a trailer or some other video, I've mistaken it for a Treant.

Fire - I'm not a fan of the design as I find it quite boring, too generic. As it most likely won't be a shooter due to the Air Elemental being one now, it seems to be able to fly, but it's aesthetically unfitting to see a large spiky chunk of molten rock levitating across the battlefield...

Water - We are still to see what it looks like. My expectations are high as it is my favourite of the 4. I also hope it will be a caster as always, though it's quite obligatory to keep the flyer/shooter/walker/caster balance within the Elementals. My humble suggestion for appearance is a Salamander or Seahorse (although the Snake from H5 was interesting too, but lacked a head). I just hope it won't be android-looking like the Fire one.

Overall and I hope there will be a lot more Neutrals to come.

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SBlister
SBlister


Famous Hero
Rakshasa Commander
posted June 16, 2011 09:26 PM

what about the dragon eel? is that still a neutral creature?
also, i've read in these forums about boss creatures. anyone care to explain to me what they are?
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