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Lichking012
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posted January 31, 2011 04:29 AM |
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well to me, the black and even gold/crystal/emerald dragon is just the black dragons less cool cousin. I mean it CAME from the black dragon initially, going away in heroes 2, and had basically the same ability Magical resistance of 1-3/4 level spells, while blackies were resistant to everything. So it's like a less cool version of the ability. I honestly don't remember their abilities in H5, but I always saw heroes 5 as a very forest-y civilization, so I really don't get how a Dragon is supposed to fly around there. In all fairness, I don't get how they are supposed to be underground either though.
Seriously, I don't get why we don't have dragons in a desert or air or mountain or plains faction. Somewhere where it makes sense to have a giant flying lizard go around.
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Protolisk
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posted January 31, 2011 04:34 AM |
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Seriously, I don't get why we don't have dragons in a desert or air or mountain or plains faction. Somewhere where it makes sense to have a giant flying lizard go around.
Because then, my friend, it would make too much sense
And speaking of Oriental dragons, I believe they were trying to go that route with the Kirin, but now that all other dragons have been outed, then it may be the only one we control.
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posted January 31, 2011 05:56 AM |
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What I want to know is, why is it the Black dragons that are evil? When are we going to see an evil White dragon?
Seems like a fair bit of racial inequality to me!
Well personally I've never seen the Dungeon as precisely evil, just sitting so far beyond the bounds of normal society that terms like good and evil may not apply to them.
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What saddens me is that now no one can control the dragons. I would have liked to be able to recruit a single dragon (or similar unit) that grows more powerful as the hero gains levels - so that your "champion" unit is actually your army's champion, instead of a group of what are essentially Super-Elites.
What, like the Henchmen from H3:WoG? Could work I suppose, although I'd rather see creatures get some bonuses not tied to heroes, like the creature stack experience in H3:WoG.
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well to me, the black and even gold/crystal/emerald dragon is just the black dragons less cool cousin. I mean it CAME from the black dragon initially, going away in heroes 2, and had basically the same ability Magical resistance of 1-3/4 level spells, while blackies were resistant to everything.
Actually, the crystal dragons were kind of cool, hideously expensive, but the fact that they were actually golem dragons, and they generated crystal made them at least a bit unique, plus they were walkers rather than flyers.
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KingImp
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posted January 31, 2011 05:10 PM |
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I just watched that remake of the movie Clash of the Titans and in this one they had Djinns. I actually really liked the look of these guys, so if they were to make it into H6 at some point, I would want them to look something like this.
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Elvin
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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 31, 2011 05:19 PM |
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The djinn was the only good part in the movie
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OmegaDestroyer
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Fox or Chicken?
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posted January 31, 2011 05:21 PM |
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Hey now, there was, um, that one thing... Uh...
Yeah, it was terrible.
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Jabanoss
Promising
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posted January 31, 2011 07:28 PM |
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I just watched that remake of the movie Clash of the Titans and in this one they had Djinns. I actually really liked the look of these guys, so if they were to make it into H6 at some point, I would want them to look something like this.
The movie was okay, but that is if you can "accept" that they combined all possible legends in the Greek mythology...
Concerning the look of that "thing" however, it definitely looks cool. But it doesn't need to replace the Djinn imo.
Just have the same model and give it another name.
And yeah the Medusa in the movie was awesome.
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evinin
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Servant of Asha
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posted January 31, 2011 07:28 PM |
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The movies was just made from another mythology... Not Greek for sure. Anyway, awful movie and I also didn't like the Djins. I think that Djins should be floating.
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted January 31, 2011 07:28 PM |
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The medusa's look in that movie were pretty good aswel, I also liked the Scorpions and the Krakens looks, the story itself was pretty horrible and all.
I agree. I loved the Kraken especially, as I think it was the first one I ever saw that wasn't portrayed as an octopus or squid...I think they had to do so anyways, as a mollusc is limited to water entirely.
And the Medusa was nice, but doesn't beat the Medusa played by Uma Thurman in The Lightning Thief
On that subject, I love the new Aquatic faction, only thing I'd do would be to replace the River Spirit (too similar to the magnifiscent Ice Maiden), with an ACTUAL flyer (something apparently missing in that faction. E.g. a Coatl, Flying Manta Ray...or The Levitating Electric Jellyfish! I mean, come on! How cool would that be?
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DarkLord
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Fear me..
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posted February 05, 2011 06:04 AM |
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i just thought of an idea that some units simply can not be cut down from series.. it is just wrong, as they are the face of the faction.. let's say the main representatives..
as when you think about this creature a certain faction comes to mind immediately..
so i will make a list of 3 most important and influential creatures per each faction and whether they are present in HoMM6 or not..
HAVEN
* Angel * (present in H6)
It is almost impossible to imagine Haven faction without Angels. Male or Female ,They were always there for Haven representing Purity and keeping the Faith of Empire
* Knight-Champion * (present in H6)
Call it Sun Riders or Crusaders, we all know that they are the same Cavalier-Champion that was defending Empire against enemies throughout all the history of Empire.
* Griffin * (present in H6)
As Haven is called Griffin Empire nowadays, it will be illogical not to have them on field. Griffin has chosen different factions before, but will have to stay with Empire which holds it's name
INFERNO
* Devil * (not present in H6)
How can an Inferno-Hell exist without powerful Devil? Absence of Devil in Inferno line-up sounds like a big mistake for me.. As a main controversy to Angels, Devils MUST be fighting for Inferno faction and there is no excuse not to include them..
* Demon * (present in H6 - Juggernaut)
Even though it is NOT one of my favourite creatures, i will say more i really don't like them! i have to admit the Fact that and Inferno faction simply can not exist without demons.. they are the main inhabitants of Hell, so they MUST be there for Infernal Lords..
* Cerberus * (present in H6)
Pretty much a boring creature, but a Guardian-Dog have been loyal to Inferno since it's first breath, and will serve it's Infernal masters untill it's last day.. will be an unwise idea to lose such a loyal servant
NECROPOLIS
* Death Knight * (not present in H6)
Even though not always in Necropolis line up, but Death Knight was always in HoMM universe. Fallen Knights now serve Desth itself, and they are feared by the bravest warriors in any faction.. With the help of Deadly Strike they are one of the most dangerous Undead creatures in HoMM universe.. It is a pity not to see a creature like THAT!
* Vampire * (present in H6)
Vampires spices up the Necro Line-up.. This "bloodsuckers" won numerous tactical battles for Necromancers.. very useful ally and a deadly foe, Vampire is still in HoMM, and everyone should be grateful about that, even if he looks like Arthas.. just a little bit!
* Skeleton * (present in H6)
Useless or not, skeleton is the face of undead numerous troops. their presence is a MUST, so sorry to skeleton haters..
not my favourite, but still there..
..STRONGHOLD
* Cyclops * (present in H6)
Can you imagine Stronghold without Cyclops? i can not, you can not, and trust me no one can!!! This creature is the physical power and might itself, so Barbarians just simply can not let Cyclops go..
* Orcs * (present in H6)
Orcs were always with barbarians (even though in H4 they went to fight for Chaos a bit, but that doesn't really count) and especially now that Stronghold entirely belongs to them, i think it's a bit silly to question whether they should be in Stronghold or not... p.s.can't forget the voice of "Rush now, think later" from orc video.. made me laugh a couple of times..
* Troll * (not present in H6)
a choice was pretty much between Goblin-Ogre-Troll.. and i think it's obvious that Troll wins the competition.. roughly.. pay attention i am saying roughly..
Goblin- is a small Orc-like creature, much weaker..
Ogre- is a big and strong Orc-like creature, much stronger..
Troll- is a big and strong creature with regeneration ability and it doesn't really look that much orc.. well it doesn't look like them at all.. why are they not in H6..?? can anyone answer???
and a BONUS...(looking forawrd for expansions)
SYLVAN
* Elf shooter *
* Unicorn *
* Druid *
DUNGEON
* Black Dragon *
* Minotaur *
* Hydra * (even though i don't like them at all)
ACADEMY
* Mage *
* Titan *
* Djinn *
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 05, 2011 09:24 AM |
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The movies was just made from another mythology... Not Greek for sure. Anyway, awful movie and I also didn't like the Djins. I think that Djins should be floating.
Djinni aren't supposed to be floating. That was just Disney's doing.
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MattII
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posted February 05, 2011 10:54 AM |
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Actually, I think D&D got there first.
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foxxxer
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posted February 05, 2011 10:56 AM |
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The movies was just made from another mythology... Not Greek for sure. Anyway, awful movie and I also didn't like the Djins. I think that Djins should be floating.
Djinni aren't supposed to be floating. That was just Disney's doing.
'Jinn (Arabic: jinn, singular jinni; variant spelling djinn) or genies are supernatural creatures in Arab folklore and Islamic teachings which occupy a parallel world to that of mankind. Together, jinn, humans and angels make up the three sentient creations of Allah. According to the Quran, there are two creations that have free will: humans and jinn. Religious sources say barely anything about them; however, the Quran mentions that jinn are made of smokeless flame or "the fire of a scorching wind". They have the ability to change their shape. Like human beings, the jinn can also be good, evil, or neutrally benevolent.'
Kodial is right. Nothing about floating, walking or something like that. Blue smoke (semi-transparent) is a creation of the contemporary culture.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-genie.htm
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/340023/exposing_the_djinn_genie_myth_and_legend.html
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 05, 2011 11:15 AM |
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Actually, I think D&D got there first.
No, D&D's first djiini had legs. They could just turn themselves into a whirlwind if they wanted.
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Danny
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posted February 05, 2011 11:43 AM |
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HAVEN
* Angel * (present in H6)
It is almost impossible to imagine Haven faction without Angels. Male or Female ,They were always there for Haven representing Purity and keeping the Faith of Empire
* Griffin * (present in H6)
As Haven is called Griffin Empire nowadays, it will be illogical not to have them on field. Griffin has chosen different factions before, but will have to stay with Empire which holds it's name
I don't see why Angel and Griffin have to be the "face" of Haven. Angels are there because they insist making it a religious faction and obviously because knights and cavaliers don't "look" like they are in the same ballpark as dragons or cyclopes. I understand Griffin is a real life symbol too but who started adding actual Griffins to human factions in games? I know Warcraft 2 did it before Heroes. Either way, it would be refreshing once not to have the obligatory medieval human faction in Heroes, are they really in the game only because it's meant to be the introduction-tutorial faction?
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* Death Knight * (not present in H6)
Even though not always in Necropolis line up, but Death Knight was always in HoMM universe. Fallen Knights now serve Desth itself, and they are feared by the bravest warriors in any faction.. With the help of Deadly Strike they are one of the most dangerous Undead creatures in HoMM universe.. It is a pity not to see a creature like THAT!
Necropolis is in 5 out of 6 games, yet the Death Knight was only a part of the town 1 out of the 5 games (that's not what I'd label as "not always), so it's safe to say it's far from an essential creature. Basically it's just the undead version of an already existing unit so no surprise it became neutral and with H6 they are trying to make differences in this faction and have other stuff than the usual depiction of undead units.
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* Vampire * (present in H6)
Vampires spices up the Necro Line-up.. This "bloodsuckers" won numerous tactical battles for Necromancers.. very useful ally and a deadly foe, Vampire is still in HoMM, and everyone should be grateful about that, even if he looks like Arthas.. just a little bit!
To me it's always like this, Necropolis consists of Vampires and the rest. They are usually among the most powerful creatures of their tiers while the rest of the lineup is usually at the bottom of the barrel. That's my other issue with the undead faction, let's hope H6 makes it a bit more balanced.
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* Orcs * (present in H6)
Orcs were always with barbarians (even though in H4 they went to fight for Chaos a bit, but that doesn't really count) and especially now that Stronghold entirely belongs to them, i think it's a bit silly to question whether they should be in Stronghold or not... p.s.can't forget the voice of "Rush now, think later" from orc video.. made me laugh a couple of times..
The big difference is that now they ARE the barbarian faction, so now it's like saying an undead unit is essential for Necropolis and a demon is essential for Inferno.
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* Troll * (not present in H6)
a choice was pretty much between Goblin-Ogre-Troll.. and i think it's obvious that Troll wins the competition.. roughly.. pay attention i am saying roughly..
Goblin- is a small Orc-like creature, much weaker..
Ogre- is a big and strong Orc-like creature, much stronger..
Troll- is a big and strong creature with regeneration ability and it doesn't really look that much orc.. well it doesn't look like them at all.. why are they not in H6..?? can anyone answer???
I believe they said trolls don't fit Ashan. They left the Barbarian town after H2 so they are not essential at all.
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maken
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Hail Hydra!
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posted February 05, 2011 01:30 PM |
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NECROPOLIS
* Death Knight *
I'd say Lich is far more iconic.
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xerox
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 05, 2011 02:14 PM |
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yeah, to me the most iconic Necro creature is the lich with its death cloud
unfortunaly, I dont really like their looks in H6
they look like Core, not Elite, creatures to me
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kodial79
Promising
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How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 05, 2011 03:32 PM |
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I'd say it's the Vampires. You can't have Undead in a game without having Vampires.
Even the Lich could be left out in favor of mummies or Ghuls for undead casters. But what could you replace Vampires with?
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 05, 2011 03:38 PM |
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I'd say it's the Vampires. You can't have Undead in a game without having Vampires.
Even the Lich could be left out in favor of mummies or ghouls (if done in their traditional fashion, though then they're not undead, they're still very fitting) for undead casters. But what could you replace Vampires with?
Reaper? Soul colector? Death knight?
I'm curently creating a Necro lineup witch doesnt have any unites from H5 or H6 in it. Hope It will come out good. I mayuse som concepts but change them.
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 05, 2011 03:38 PM |
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I'd say it's the Vampires. You can't have Undead in a game without having Vampires.
Even the Lich could be left out in favor of mummies or ghouls (if done in their traditional fashion, though then they're not undead, they're still very fitting) for undead casters. But what could you replace Vampires with?
O gigantic bloodsucking vampire bat of course 
That's fine but it would have people crying 'Warhammer rip off' again...
@Dave_Jame
Same goes for the Vampire posing as a Knight. People would say they're ripping off Warhammer's Blood Knights. I don't know about Reapers or Soul Collectors. If you mean the Grim Reaper then I don't think that can replace the vampire. It should be a champion unit.
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