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posted August 27, 2011 03:51 PM

I'm a libertarian, or close to it.

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posted August 27, 2011 04:11 PM

I agree with libertarians a lot, but I'm not one.
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posted August 27, 2011 04:22 PM
Edited by Shyranis at 16:23, 27 Aug 2011.

I'm a Canadian Conservative, to most people to the south of where I live that makes me a moderate centrist, to extremists that makes me the enemy (in their eyes I'm either Miss Libby Liberal or Connie Conservative).

I'm more Libertarian than Glenn Beck, but that doesn't make me one.

I do believe the tax code should be more fair, lower it for everybody but strip out 95% of the loopholes so people and companies can't get away with not paying their fair share. Simplifying the tax code would also bring in more revenue. Simply lowering taxes at this point without reform fixes nothing. The current Republican party learned nothing from Raegan, he lowered the taxes greatly from 70%, but he also closed a ton of loopholes (that the two parties have been opening back up over the years).

I also believe subsidies should be removed from most things as they really are wasteful. If you can't make a profit growing one crop, maybe instead of a subsidy research something else that would be profitable and maybe ask for a onetime assistance from the government to assist (but not fully) buy the supplies needed to change over to that other crop. It would be an incentive to get farmers off the government um... udders.

I also believe that drilling should be allowed wherever the oil is found (just as long as the government or private landowners get their fair share) in order to create new jobs (funny that Obama has approved more drilling than Bush, but not enough to make a big difference). I also believe that research into other renewable energies should be a priority, because without government research into such things they will never get done. Like NASA being largely responsible for enabling all forms of modern communication. Affordable alternative energy would allow the industries that are being choked out by (unfortunately necessary) regulations to be competitive without being tied down.

Of course, The Democrats only want their way and the Republicans only want theirs and they will use and divide people of differing opinions as they please as there is no room for a real, common sense party driven by actual logic. Politics are fueled by calls to emotion, so that political messages may bypass the rational part of the brain. This is a common tactic.
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posted August 27, 2011 04:24 PM

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I, for example would never support a MALE pro-life candiate - it would be clear indication that the guy will meddle with things he has no business to meddle with in the first place.


I don't think it is meddling for a father to want to preserve the life of his child. A child is as much the father's as the mother's.

Men should have as much say in the abortion debate as women.

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The term "pro-life" is a term specifically coined for the abortion issue, for the side the believes killing innocent unborn babies is wrong...that the babies have a right to live.

No, I would not consider anti-war people to be "pro-life" even under a broader definition of the term. If you are against all wars then you rule out wars of self-defense. Let's say Canada decided that it will never fight another war. Nation X invades Canada seeking more living space for its people and resources. Canada does not fight back because it is now officially "anti-war." Nation X begins to carry out genocide. All Canadians are to be killed. By opposing all war Canada has sentenced all of its citizens to death.

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Yes, I realize aborti0on is a non-issue for anyone who believes human life has no innate worth.

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posted August 27, 2011 04:26 PM
Edited by Shyranis at 16:27, 27 Aug 2011.

Obviously anti-war refers to wars of aggression. I did not realize I had to make that clear. Invading another country that has not attacked you is wrong.

Edit: Also personally I am against Abortion, but I do not hold it against other people if their decisions lead them to it. They have to live with their choice on their heads.
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posted August 27, 2011 09:21 PM

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I, for example would never support a MALE pro-life candiate - it would be clear indication that the guy will meddle with things he has no business to meddle with in the first place.


I don't think it is meddling for a father to want to preserve the life of his child. A child is as much the father's as the mother's.

Men should have as much say in the abortion debate as women.


Not in THAT debate.
The fact that abortion GENERALLY is allowed or not, has no consequence whatsoever on the PERSONAL situation of a father who may want to preserve the life of his child.
So you can be against abortion of your own children alright, because that's a relevant question for you as a FATHER.
The general law, however. Nah.

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posted August 28, 2011 02:33 PM

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Not in THAT debate.
The fact that abortion GENERALLY is allowed or not, has no consequence whatsoever on the PERSONAL situation of a father who may want to preserve the life of his child.
So you can be against abortion of your own children alright, because that's a relevant question for you as a FATHER.
The general law, however. Nah.


I don't understand your logic in wanting to deny men a say in the laws regarding abortion. Men should have as much right to defend the life of children as women do.
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posted August 28, 2011 03:49 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 22:44, 28 Aug 2011.

Men have had a say in the laws of abortion.  They have created, debated, passed, and upheld laws allowing women the right to an abortion.
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posted August 30, 2011 02:13 AM
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Men have had a say in the laws of abortion.  They have created, debated, passed, and upheld laws allowing women the right to an abortion.


Actually, judges decided to legislate from the bench and made abortion legal. Congress should decide the laws of the land, not the courts.

CNN's poll also shows Perry atop the GOP field, with double the support of Romney.
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Perry 27%
Romney 14%
Palin 10%
Bachmann 9%
Giuliani 9%
Gingrich 6%
Paul 6%
Cain 2%
Johnson 2%
Huntsman 1%
Santorum 1%


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posted August 30, 2011 07:47 AM

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Not in THAT debate.
The fact that abortion GENERALLY is allowed or not, has no consequence whatsoever on the PERSONAL situation of a father who may want to preserve the life of his child.
So you can be against abortion of your own children alright, because that's a relevant question for you as a FATHER.
The general law, however. Nah.


I don't understand your logic in wanting to deny men a say in the laws regarding abortion. Men should have as much right to defend the life of children as women do.

This is not the right thread to discuss the legal background for an abortion, but there is a difference between
a) ALL men deciding whether an abortion - something only women "suffer" from - should be GENERALLY legal or illegal and
b) a potential father disscussing with the potential mother of his child whether she should abort or not.

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posted September 19, 2011 10:57 PM

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A libertarian will never get invited to a Republican dinner party because they're afraid he'll kill all the unborn babies, metaphorically speaking.  It's as simple as that.

Since this issue is discussed, Ron Paul, as a pediatrician, is strongly pro-life.

If you've seen the GOP debates it's clear that the left media wants to prop up Perry, because he would be easy to beat. Although he got it handed to him in the last debate, so I think his numbers will quickly go down.

And those who are saying that Paul doesn't get any attention and has no chance of winning, you are too influenced by the media. Even John Stewart of the Daily Show made a point about it, that got much attention; Link.

He has steadily been over 10% in the polls and has enthusiastic supporters that don't jump between candidates. He is actually the candidate that has come best out of the straw polls, both individually and collectively (Link).

PS: I don't trust CNN.

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posted September 20, 2011 04:55 AM

*researching*

okay, that's true, he's pro-life. Then I don't really know why the Republicans are ignoring him...

It's probably got to do with his stand on legalizing drugs and the fact that he's in favor of a massive contraction of the military.

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posted September 20, 2011 05:09 AM

Political positions of Ron Paul

Okay, trying to figure this guy out is making my head ache.  He's a constitutionalist, yes, but he's also a libertarion so:

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Paul has been a critic of the Supreme Court's Lawrence v. Texas decision, in which sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment. In an essay posted to the Lew Rockwell website, he stated his opposition to what he called ridiculous sodomy laws, but expressed his fear that federal courts were grossly violating their role of strictly interpreting the Constitution, and felt that they were setting a dangerous precedent of what he characterized as legislating from the bench, by declaring privacy in regards to sexual conduct a constitutional right. Ron Paul said:

   Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment "right to privacy". Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states' rights rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards


I would think that a true libertarian running for prez would guarentee the right of all gay americans not to get imprisoned by any level of government for their private actions.


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posted September 20, 2011 06:50 AM

He's not a libertarian. He's a small-government conservative. There's some overlap, but the difference is significant.
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posted September 23, 2011 05:48 AM

When it comes to marriage Ron Paul very clearly wants the federal government out of the business of defining what marriage is. He believes it is a state issue, but preferably the different churches and institutions should decide for themselves how marriage is defined.

His most important point is that people should be able to "marry" who they please, as long as they don't force their definition of marriage on others.

Regarding him being a libertarian, I think he very clearly says he is. He recently gave out the book "Liberty Defined". But he also advocates that it was the position of the founding fathers, and also has been the traditional position of the Republican party. He's a constitutional libertarian republican. A very consistent one for that matter.

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posted September 23, 2011 07:37 AM

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He believes it is a state issue...

His most important point is that people should be able to "marry" who they please, as long as they don't force their definition of marriage on others.
These positions are not equivalent.
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posted September 23, 2011 02:45 PM

If government was to be involved in the marriage issue the constitution does not give any such right to the federal government, so it should be done on the state level. But his personal belief is that marriage is a religious issue, and preferably the states shouldn't even be involved in defining what marriage is, it should be up to every institution or church.

This is in his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdOMvoRSVc&

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posted September 23, 2011 03:01 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 15:07, 23 Sep 2011.

I'm surprised Romney isn't more popular than he already is. The man possesses some pretty impressive charisma; independent of his views, his performance last night was a public speaker's wet dream. Although I suppose his Mormon background and the fact that he was governor of Massachusetts and was around when MassHealth went into effect is a severe drag for him in the Republican primaries.


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posted September 23, 2011 04:39 PM

To be honest, Mit Romney probably has the best chance of winning against Obama if compaired to evryone in the Republican lineup. Reasons being that he is (like most of the US) moderately conservative, charismatic and has the most funding (or at least he did when I last checked...). This will allow him to scrape up not only Republican votes, but also Democrat votes. IMHO, Romney should be doing better than Perry because of his odds and superior debating skills... but of course the polls show that the vast majority of republicans voting at this point have no sense of strategy or common sense. If I had to guess, I would say that Romney would beat Obama hands-down.

Ron Paul will never win... Too far out there man, even for the trippin' hippies.

Bachman is just... no, why did my state ever think she would even make a good congress woman? For, like, three elections in a row? Why?

Perry is popular and from Texas, which is the main reason why he is scraping up so much popularity. Two presidents from Texas already in recent history does bring up public opinion (why? People are mindless robots...) and he is a very right conservative (not the majority of the US), but in the elections he and Obama will get roughly the same votes, with Obama gaining a few more due to him being the current president.

Honestly, I'm going to have to agree with Blizz right now, the only way Perry is ahead of Romney right now is because of their states of origin and the laws they have passed.

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posted September 26, 2011 03:29 PM

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The polls show otherwise. He's the only candidate with any economic incight what so ever


Ron Paul? You mean the guy who wants the gold standard return and all?
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