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posted August 26, 2011 01:44 AM |
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Ron Paul has a lot of ardent supporters, but unfortunately those that don't think he's magnificent think he's a complete kook. The media - including conservative leaning outlets - outright ignore him. With no ability to gain any traction in the media and no way to really influence people who haven't made up their mind about him, he doesn't really stand a chance.
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posted August 26, 2011 01:45 AM |
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I know!! Ain't it great!!
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posted August 26, 2011 01:48 AM |
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posted August 26, 2011 02:01 AM |
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I know! Ain't it...eh?
I think the republican debates just might be the best thing on tv over the next several months for as long as Dr. Paul stays in the race.
What an inversion that he speaks the truth (mostly) about different topics and they treat him as if he's crazy.
Did he have to freaking name his son Rand though? I know it's a southern (U.S. for you know-nothing euros) tradition to name boys in the family after the mother's maiden name but last time I checked he never shagged ol' Aynsides.
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posted August 26, 2011 07:00 AM |
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A libertarian will never get invited to a Republican dinner party because they're afraid he'll kill all the unborn babies, metaphorically speaking. It's as simple as that.
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posted August 26, 2011 07:27 AM |
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Did he have to freaking name his son Rand though? I know it's a southern (U.S. for you know-nothing euros) tradition to name boys in the family after the mother's maiden name but last time I checked he never shagged ol' Aynsides.
Rand is short for Randall.
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posted August 26, 2011 01:00 PM |
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posted August 26, 2011 03:07 PM |
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I always find it amusing/sad that where a candidate stands on abortion often plays such a large role in whether they can get elected. It's such a comparatively small issue, and, for that matter, one over which the presidency has little if any power.
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posted August 26, 2011 06:45 PM |
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Bull.
Do you need to see the birth certificate? Short of that, here.
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posted August 26, 2011 11:26 PM |
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And his shortened name makes a great double entendre for the libertarians.
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posted August 27, 2011 12:04 AM |
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I always find it amusing/sad that where a candidate stands on abortion often plays such a large role in whether they can get elected. It's such a comparatively small issue, and, for that matter, one over which the presidency has little if any power.
I think whether a candidate favors allowing unborn babies to be murdered or not is fairly significant.
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posted August 27, 2011 12:50 AM |
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posted August 27, 2011 12:59 AM |
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Why?
Because their position says quite a bit about a candidate's character if they think killing unborn babies should be allowed in cases other than to protect the life of the mother. It shows what value they actually place on innocent human life.
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posted August 27, 2011 02:05 AM |
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I don't think a presidential election should be a popularity contest...
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posted August 27, 2011 02:10 AM |
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Because their position says quite a bit about a candidate's character if they think killing unborn babies should be allowed in cases other than to protect the life of the mother. It shows what value they actually place on innocent human life.
But shouldn't you be voting based on what a president has the power to change?
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posted August 27, 2011 02:42 AM |
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Because their position says quite a bit about a candidate's character if they think killing unborn babies should be allowed in cases other than to protect the life of the mother. It shows what value they actually place on innocent human life.
But shouldn't you be voting based on what a president has the power to change?
Character is important in a leader and certainly the value he places on innocen human life is important.
Also, the president has a tremendous power-Judicial appointments-by which ha can have an impact on such things as abortion for decades to come. A popular president can also rally the people to causes he cares about and can prod party members in Congress into supporting bills they may not otherwise support.
He also has veto power. Let's say The Republicans narrowly controlled both houses of the legislature but Obama is president. The Republicans pass a law greatly restricting abortion. Obama can just veto it and Republicans with only marginal control of Congress would not be able to override the veto.
By the way, Obama is in a statistical dead heat with Perry, Romney, Bachmann, and Paul according to Gallup. As time goes on I expect each of those candidates will gain further ground and that any of the four would defeat Obama in the next election. I expect he will wind up facing Perry.
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posted August 27, 2011 06:40 AM |
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Fair enough, Elodin. I just think stances on economic and foreign policy are much more important to focus on than whether a president thinks abortion should be legal. I can think of about 100 issues that I care about more.
Also power to appoint federal judges is overemphasized IMO. President's political party has not historically been a tremendously accurate predictor of where a judge will fall on certain issues.
I'm not saying by the way that the President can't influence the way issues like abortion may be decided. He can, albeit very indirectly. I'm just saying that abortion is raised on a pedestal of importance far above what it should be. You just know that, for a lot of people, if a presidential candidate came along who was a perfect fit for their ideology in every way, but fell on the wrong side of the abortion issue, they wouldn't vote for him at all. (That works for liberals as well as conservatives, by the way - I'm not just picking on republicans here. You just know there are gazillions of democrats out there that wouldn't vote for an "ideal" democrat nominee if he was also pro-life.)
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posted August 27, 2011 09:18 AM |
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I think, Elodin is somewhat right in principle. It says a lot about character.
I, for example would never support a MALE pro-life candiate - it would be clear indication that the guy will meddle with things he has no business to meddle with in the first place. 
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Being anti-war is also pro-life in a different form. Just saying.
But anyway, I find it very sad that there are essentially no candidates that respect the sanctity of life.
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posted August 27, 2011 02:36 PM |
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Well for those of us who believe that life has no inherent value, the pro-life issue is really a non-issue.
EDIT: I've just realised there are virtually no libertarians on this forum! I wonder if one could infer some interesting socio-political statistic from this site.
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