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necro-mutant
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posted November 14, 2012 10:47 PM

Rockets, airstrikes reignite Mideast conflict

Today there was an escalation in the region of gaza strip and south Israel.

the Israel Defence Forces (IDF)eliminated the chief of Hamas' military wing while Hamas used more then 100 rockets in the past 4 days.

here is a report on the cnn website:
REPORT

and i want to ask you: What do you think about the situation ?

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posted November 15, 2012 01:30 AM

I think this subject is an area where I strongly disagree with my president.

Israel is not a friend to the U.S.A.

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posted November 15, 2012 03:54 AM

True that, invading the windy city is on Israel's to do list, you've been warned gootch, move to Cali asap....

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posted November 15, 2012 04:21 AM

*blinks*  I take it you think differently?


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posted November 15, 2012 09:29 AM

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I think this subject is an area where I strongly disagree with my president.

Israel is not a friend to the U.S.A.


can you answer why do you think so ?
and what does it have to do with the situation now ?
because i remmember i asked your opinion about the situation there regardless to USA ....

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posted November 15, 2012 12:42 PM

Don't act like the Israeli/Palestinian issue is and has been in a vacuum until now.  Events don't occur independent of each other.  

What do I think of a Hamas chief being assassinated by an Israeli air strike?  I don't think too much of it.

What do I think of Israeli economic strangling of the Palestinians?  I think a lot about that.

As for why Israel isn't our friend, there are a few reasons why they have proven why they are not a friend to the U.S.  

If they were our friend, Tel Aviv would be their capitol and the aggressive settlement building would have never occurred.  Also, if the Chinese had a lobbying group in my nation's government with the size, scope, and influence that AIPAC has, we'd be going to war with China.


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posted November 15, 2012 02:35 PM

So, basically if Israel conceded every time the US demanded something, then it would be your friend?
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posted November 15, 2012 04:12 PM
Edited by antipaladin at 16:15, 15 Nov 2012.

I guess you dont have meny friendes eh gootch?
Is it such a need to explain israel politics over and over again in any thread?
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posted November 15, 2012 08:41 PM

Tempting to say "umad jews?", but it would be in vain for the thread. If a nation is so unmature that its neighbor retaliates, the nation should blame themselves.
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posted November 15, 2012 10:18 PM

the other way around would be correct.
before the opertion took place day by day dozens of rockets fall over the settlements gush katif that serounds gaza since like forever,and the leaked video where they take down an israely SUV wounding soliders...so we took down there general, and showed the movie,its not okay to attack lands in israel despite what other might think,.. i want to see your country del diablo suffers from constat attacks from a nighboor and not doing anything about it, i want to see your opinion where people live in shelters..with the death of the general,and the arch murderer , co-kiddnaper of shalit we told them basicly,stfu.
in the past two days over 200 self made rocketlunchers caves ware destoryed, more then 100 fadger 5 missiles where destoryed. everyone knew that they will react fearcly,but we can wipe out the entire gaza if we want,but we dont,if we can have moral obligation to take out nessery targets so could they but they dont care who they bomb.. i say, "you mad hamas?" hamas is not palastine, hamas = terror orgensation, brutal viscoues murderes scum of the earth. and they are allowed to be destroyed.
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posted November 15, 2012 10:26 PM
Edited by necro-mutant at 22:59, 15 Nov 2012.

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Don't act like the Israeli/Palestinian issue is and has been in a vacuum until now.  Events don't occur independent of each other.  

What do I think of a Hamas chief being assassinated by an Israeli air strike?  I don't think too much of it.

What do I think of Israeli economic strangling of the Palestinians?  I think a lot about that.

As for why Israel isn't our friend, there are a few reasons why they have proven why they are not a friend to the U.S.  

If they were our friend, Tel Aviv would be their capitol and the aggressive settlement building would have never occurred.  Also, if the Chinese had a lobbying group in my nation's government with the size, scope, and influence that AIPAC has, we'd be going to war with China.




First, What do you think about your so called economic strangling?
i just want to let you know that this economic policy is due to some reasons and not just like that. for example: Iran is supplying Hamas with many rockets and weapons. a prove to that thing we can find in cargo ships that IDF captured:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6kDb4SsSxY]Santorini + Karine A and much more !

about changing the CAPITOL: you know that Jerusalem is holy to the jews and was their capitol even on king David rule days.
i can also ask why New-York is not USA's capitol ? i think there is a meaning under choosing Washington as capitol of USA.

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If a nation is so unmature that its neighbor retaliates, the nation should blame themselves.

you refer to Israel or Hamas? or both maybe ?
i don't understand how 2 Autonomous can control each other actions? especialy when they on a conflict ?
if it was the case we were living in a world with no wars.

for conclusion, i just want you to see the things from objective eyes and not "what influence does it have that is related to me" like friendship with USA and etc.

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posted November 15, 2012 10:31 PM

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hamas is not palastine, hamas = terror orgensation, brutal viscoues murderes scum of the earth. and they are allowed to be destroyed.


It is known that they use palastinian civilians as human shields.
thats why IDF don't make gaza a flat land.

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posted November 15, 2012 10:33 PM

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for conclusion, i just want you to see the things from objective eyes and not "what influence does it have that is related to me" like friendship with USA and etc.



Yours is not an objective pov...

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posted November 15, 2012 10:49 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 22:50, 15 Nov 2012.

With all my dislike about Israel's actions, provocations and generally behaviour, I fail to see how the death of a militant commander representing a rather obstructive (to the peace efforts) organization is a bad thing. I'd probably say the same about the die-hard "hawks" among the Israeli.

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posted November 15, 2012 11:03 PM

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for conclusion, i just want you to see the things from objective eyes and not "what influence does it have that is related to me" like friendship with USA and etc.



Yours is not an objective pov...


i didn't write my opinions. i just replied other's ones by asking Opposing questions - for the Discussion

sorry if it seems to you like a subjective pov.

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posted November 15, 2012 11:32 PM
Edited by smithey at 00:00, 16 Nov 2012.

Nothing to be sorry for, free to say whatever....

Way I see things :

Regular Israelis pov - Palestinians are bombing our citizens daily, many of them cant go to work/school, kids live in shelters celebrating birthdays in utter darkness, without seeing the light of the day for months at a time, its no life at all, what a hell is my gov doing at all ??? Any gov MUST provide safety to its citizens, if they dont do a thing about those attacks then what a hell are they there for, action whatever it is, is justified coz lack of action is simply put illogical, protect your citizens just like any other country/gov in the world would do, we all just wanna live normal lives without being scared of them bloody rockets...

Regular palestinians pov - I just wanna live, I have a family, 3 kids and an ugly wife (hey, arab chicks dont look that good, sorry), I dont understand politics, I dont care for politics yet I cant go to work coz Israelis decided to close my region, I cant feed my kids and the oldest one can eat a lot, I dont have water nor electricity but Israeli gov never really cares about it that much even when there is peace, they just shrug it off and then they complain we smell bad, I dont know much about politics nor do I care about it but I know Israelis say they have a good reason for "raping" us, they say hamas is to blame but Im not hamas and I dont know nor care for hamas however when I walk down the street with my 3 yr old son who thinks his dad is a hero, its Israeli soldiers and not hamas who strip search me humiliating me in front of my son, I never did anything to anyone... but they say they have a good reason.. I just dont see it like that, coz I just wanna live and provide for my family...

Outside Israel/Palestine pov - What a hell ? those jews and muslims are going at eachother AGAIN ?? Cant they just blow eachother into tiny pieces and stay off my tv, its so boring, just sit at a table talk for 5 hrs, sign a few deals, return the lands and get other lands and be over with it, how freaking hard can it be, why are you so irrational for crying out loud, just get along already, Jesus, its like they enjoy killing eachother over and over again, its a bloody conspiracy, middle east is like paris hilton a drama queen that needs to be "the news" every few months, where the hell is that red button so I can blow them all up... geeez.. annoying snows...

Those are the views summed up, other views you might get will be subjective ones and biased by the propaganda they were exposed to whether its pro or anti Israeli, in most scenarios it will be anti Israeli coz Israel is even more hated on than the USA around the globe....

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posted November 16, 2012 12:10 AM
Edited by xerox at 00:10, 16 Nov 2012.

The israeli government has repeatedly shown that it has ZERO interests in making any kinds of peaceful progression. Sure, Hamas sucks too but it is the palestinians that are forced to suffer here. They live within the world´s largest outside prison. Iran is getting sanctions yet it should be Israel that gets sanction for, considering its influence and power in the region, not contributing to stability AT ALL.

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posted November 16, 2012 01:49 AM

A privilege of a country with nuclear weaponry is that it cannot be commanded.

The worst mistake was to allow Arabs and Israelis to co-exist in one country. Whomever had this "brilliant" idea is to blame.
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posted November 16, 2012 02:06 AM
Edited by Seraphim at 02:37, 16 Nov 2012.

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Nothing to be sorry for, free to say whatever....

Way I see things :

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Regular palestinians pov - I just wanna live, I have a family, 3 kids and an ugly wife (hey, arab chicks dont look that good, sorry), I dont understand politics, I dont care for politics yet I cant go to work coz Israelis decided to close my region, I cant feed my kids and the oldest one can eat a lot...

I just dont see it like that, coz I just wanna live and provide for my family...


This is the most biased post I have ever seen, simmilar to elodins posts about atheism.
I can tell you why its wrong. You are projecting your thoughts on a stereotypical situation. If you really want to know how it feels like, go there and live there.
Eventhough those people are poor and dont really have a future, it is no reason to choose "Hamas" over talk.
Some guns and faith in a fascist ideology wont save anybody from ruin.
Well, when humans have no hope and they only have their biased beliefs to cattle for, they dont care. Its all pointless anyway.


Eventhough these people have so many difficulties, they have the arrogance of their faith to believe that women, infidels and the west are their enemies. But then, who can blame them, they have no future in the hellhole of their own mind and the hellhole of their country.




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and i want to ask you: What do you think about the situation ?


Simple, let israel do whatever it desires. Obviously, its the terrorists who provoked the attack. A dead militia commander is a good thing not only for Israel but for the universe aswell because if they universe would care about "lex talionis" justice, it would make a happy face for that.

I might aswell say that israeli attack was generous as they did not use white phosphorus.
Nevertheless, I generally support the side that really, really deserves bombing and in this case its those criminals who obviously have to sacrifice civilian life in order to get recruits. I feel no pity or sympathy for those criminals. Just let them be killed and dont judge israel, or dont judge at all.
At least one half get to live normal lives at the cost of other. Thats how the universe works.


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The worst mistake was to allow Arabs and Israelis to co-exist in one country. Whomever had this "brilliant" idea is to blame.


Pff, actually, the worst mistake ever was to allow one side to exist at all. There can be no coexistence between to hating sides. Even if they were equal in size or motives, we always have destabilizing factors.

Anyway,judging by your standpoint, it is hardly fair to say that it was a bad idea to create a state where a whole ethnicity could exist or co exist. Without Israel, there would probably be no Jewish state and a place for all Jews to call "home".
Is it fair to decide upon the path of millions of people?
Well, the only problem is that the Muslims are living in the middle ages and one can never find a compromise with such people.
But then, the only people that can help them are themselves.
This reminds me of natural selection so much. The dumb side gets eradicated and actiually, its not that much of a bad thing. If this thing went global, we would have no such thing as Islam.
At this point I really understand why genocide is not actually just human nature, its actually natural selection on a grand scale.
I also cant actually blame the arabs in the 6 day war. Why negotiane when you can take everything.



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posted November 16, 2012 08:36 AM

@xerox
I see some accusations and demands, but no arguments. I understand that you're trying to get into politics and therefore learning to throw slogans without actually saying anything, but I would ask that in here you discuss things instead.
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