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posted October 04, 2011 12:51 AM |
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Military spending involves more than just bullets and bombers.
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posted October 04, 2011 06:51 AM |
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As an Australian, I don't often get heavily involved in US political dialogue because I find it fruitless and ultimately disheartening. However, this new republican dude Ron Paul is saying some interesting stuff. What's the deal with this candidate? I'm generally loathing of right-wing politicians, but it's hard to hate a man who seems to be so radically opposed to the general stance of his own party. Can people in the know please explain?
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posted October 04, 2011 10:02 AM |
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Didn't know where else to post this, but there's some America at the end so here it goes.
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posted October 04, 2011 03:20 PM |
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Military spending involves more than just bullets and bombers.
Like 20.5 billion on air conditioning alone in the invaded countries.
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posted October 05, 2011 01:30 PM |
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As an Australian, I don't often get heavily involved in US political dialogue because I find it fruitless and ultimately disheartening. However, this new republican dude Ron Paul is saying some interesting stuff. What's the deal with this candidate? I'm generally loathing of right-wing politicians, but it's hard to hate a man who seems to be so radically opposed to the general stance of his own party. Can people in the know please explain?
He's been saying the exact same thing for 20 years now, but the party has "lost it's way" as he puts it. Although his continual focus on the constitution and the ideas of the founding fathers have shifted the party heavily in his direction. Last time he ran they all made fun of him, now most of them are trying hard to sound like him.
Here's what he says about him vs. the republican party: Short video
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posted October 05, 2011 02:39 PM |
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The problem is the GOP base still loves their foreign invasions too much. Paul could definitely lure in a lot of independants with his platform of only attacking countries that do you direct military harm as the constitution says, but they sadly have no bearing on the GOP Primary. If Paul can somehow squeeze through, he'd have a fighting chance for sure. The problem is that other "Team America" types rule the roost.
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posted October 05, 2011 02:45 PM |
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Grass is always greener on the other-side  , besides in a dictatorship I dare-say it is quite easy to spot who is to blame or to praise,
Lol, in a dictatorship you're not allowed to blame the leader. It's praise or jail.
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where-as in capitalism it's the voters fault for making a poor choice, when their leader ****s up, which by all-means is correct. 
In capitalism you have no one to blame but yourself, and the "leader" is there to protect you and your rights as an individual. You are talking about corporatism.
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Then again not every dictator is 'bad' and treats his people like trash as you seem to think. 
Please give some examples.
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It's all about whether one is willing to sacrifice some freedom for the sake of a compitent and 'good' leader imo.
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
- Benjamin Franklin
What you are advocating is elitism with one "deserving" leader on top. That's dangerously close to what we have now with the FED.
If it's anything world history has proven, it's that power corrupts. The power should be with the people. You might be familiar with the phrase "We, the people...". Government is there to protect the citizens, not run their lives.
Edit: I see you edited your post, so let me include the last statement as well.
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And neither am I saying that I would prefer any dictator to capitalism  , a compitent leader who laughs and cries together whith the people is what's required, IMO. (by that I mean he cries when the people cry, and laughs when the people laugh).
The problem is that in a dictatorship you as an individual have no say in who the leader is.
And what makes you think that democracy is better?Obvious opression vs non obvious opression.You really think that you choose your 'Leader' in democracy?
Lies built upon lies.Once they get on the office,they do what they want.The general citizen is pulled in bliss thinking that it was his or her choice that created the government.A lie.
You know,remember this,your vote does not determine who is the elected but the ones who count it.
It aint much different in europe compared to the balkans. The only difference is the ammount of 'Visible' corruption in europe.
European politicans are much more proficient at hiding their affiliations.
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posted October 05, 2011 02:49 PM |
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Please give some examples.
Fidel Castro springs to my mind in an isntant, but I consider past kings & Queens to be dictators, in order to answer your question we need to agree on this fact so I can make a lengthy post of names that I consider to be good leaders .
I'd much prefer a chance at having a good leader, even if it is peramanent, rather then none at all, ita all I was trying to say .
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posted October 05, 2011 03:02 PM |
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I just posted a new thread which is more in the vein of what you guys are talking about. This thread keeps being redirected from the 2012 presidential elections to what is/is not the best/worst type of government.
Some of us are actually interested in the candidates and their views, not in the more general political discussion in this thread, so could we please stay on track?
After reading a bit more about this Ron Paul fellow here and on his site, I cannot find myself drawn to his significantly religious stand-point. However, I must say I admire the way he debates and his balls-out way of telling it like it is.
Is there any chance he may actually be elected?
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posted October 05, 2011 03:33 PM |
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No. Well, I shouldn't say that. Anything is possible. Truman won after all.
Realistically, I highly doubt he could win. He's too radical and too hard to control for the Republican party to push him as a candidate. The media loves to ignore him in favor of Perry, Caine, and Romney. Running as an independent again won't accomplish much for him other than stealing votes from a particular candidate.
Besides, do we really want an honest person in politics? I appreciate honesty but politicians prefer discretion. Furthermore, most people are content with ignorance and like being told what they want to hear.
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posted October 05, 2011 04:07 PM |
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I think the discussion on general political philosophy was declared ended on the previous page of this thread, so I won't continue it here, as it is also off topic.
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After reading a bit more about this Ron Paul fellow here and on his site, I cannot find myself drawn to his significantly religious stand-point. However, I must say I admire the way he debates and his balls-out way of telling it like it is.
Is there any chance he may actually be elected?
As I showed on the previous page of this thread he is now third in the polls, with a growing number of supporters. Perry's numbers are declining and Romney is stagnating. If the election was now he would probably not win, but if things continue this way he could win the primaries. If he get's through the primaries he has a very good chance of winning the general election, but the primaries will be the toughest part.
The more dire the economic situation becomes (and it will become worse, much worse), the more followers he'll get. He's been warning about these issues for 35 years now, and things have really changed since the last election.
I'm betting the race in the primaries will be between him and Romney in the end.
Edit: Although Cain could also end up as a serious contender.
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posted October 06, 2011 12:10 AM |
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From what I have heard and read, Ron Paul seems like the most suitable candidate.
I don't understand why people want to re-vote Obama when he basically didn't keep any of his promises...
Also I think the US should start thinking about swapping out the really stupid two party system with a parliament system. I think that is far more democratic. For instance, in Sweden atm the situation in our parliament is very democratic. The government can't decide because they are ruling in minority and that is great.
A government that has 51% of the people's support, should not decide EVERYTHING.
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posted October 07, 2011 04:00 PM |
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Sarah Palin duping campaign donors? Say it ain't so!!
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posted October 07, 2011 04:04 PM |
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Damn comedy central and its patriotism! Those of us outside of the US can't see your delightful clip!
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posted October 07, 2011 04:05 PM |
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Seriously??
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posted October 07, 2011 04:08 PM |
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Seriously. It's amazing how often you get the "This video cannot be viewed in your region" message. It's the innernests, not a blackmarket DVD from Singapore!!!
Tim and Eric and Jon Stewart have been denied from me for too long.
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posted October 07, 2011 04:13 PM |
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That sucks.
Well in short:
Apparently, a few months ago Sarah Palin's PAC issued a statement asking for donations in the event that she would run for president. She got over a million in donations. Then she says yesterday she's not going to run.... but she still gets to keep all that money and do whatever she wants with it. Which would be totally unethical if she knew all along that she wasn't going to run. And then Jon Stewart showed a video of Sarah Palin's daughter saying in an interview a few months ago that she (Sarah Palin) already knew what her decision was going to be but that the decision was going to stay in the Palin family for the time being.
Totally shady.
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posted October 07, 2011 04:16 PM |
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Sounds like a pretty fun way to make a couple of mil. So who are the Tea party going to follow now? Cain? Elodin could probably enlighten us on this... dare I ask...
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posted October 07, 2011 04:45 PM |
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Where is Elodin lately?
Who really didn't see this comming? Who? Palin pretty obviously had no really chance... and I don't think even she is foolish or deluded enough to think she did. Maybe.
Also note, people in the Republican primaries are increasingly voting for Paul, but also that they are increasingly voting indepentant or undecided. The media is all over people who think about running in the primaries, but then back off. I think (From a sociological and political standpoint) that people are not impressed or pleased with their choices this election season...
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posted October 07, 2011 05:09 PM |
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Bingo. Like I said, it's the Republicans game to lose.
And lose they shall.
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