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Thread: US Presidential Race 2012 [ This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 (15) 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 ]
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posted November 05, 2011 01:53 AM

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Kinda' fishy, since if nothing happened and nobody was harassed, you usually don't settle outside of court

Not necessarily.  Remember that civil cases really just boil down to money.  Even if you know you're innocent, defending against an accusation like that can be extremely expensive.  If the corporation/association is footing the bill, they might decide it's simply much cheaper to do an out of court settlement than a long, protracted civil court battle.  Especially one you may not win - even if you're innocent - because sexual harassment cases tend to boil down to he said she said.  And the people deciding these cases are often sympathetic to the accuser, who is perceived to be in a vulerable position.  So there are all kinds of reasons to settle out of court in a civil trial.

As for the gag order - well again that doesn't necessarily mean anything about guilt or innocence.  Even if you're innocent, and you decide to settle out of court, do you really want the accuser going to the media and blabbing everywhere what you allegedly did and what you allegedly settle for?  The company wants to minimize the cost of the accusation irregardless of the truth of the allegation.  A lot of the potential cost comes in the form of damage to the institution's reputation.  A false claim can be just as damaging as a true claim.  Nondisclosure agreements almost always accompany these kinds of solutions, for very obvious reasons.

In short, you need to be careful what you read into an outcome of a legal dispute.  

Aside from that, I think Cain has handled the situation like an idiot.  He should have answered in a straightforward fashion at the very beginning and then been done with it, but he's allowed it to turn into a media circus.  In short, he's looked very unpresidential.
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posted November 05, 2011 11:27 AM

So do we have any recent poll numbers after these sexual harassment claims started flaring up? I can't imagine it's good for him.

Right now it's really looking like Romney has the primaries in the bag, especially since it's doubtful anybody is going to be able to dig up anything about him that hasn't already been dug up. Being a major contender in the last election means he's already been picked apart with a fine comb.
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posted November 05, 2011 12:48 PM

Romneys numbers haven't changed at all since he got into this race. He's been in the 20-25% all along. Remember, those 30-something percent going for Perry, then Cain, are landing on anyone but Romney. And that's aside from the same amount of voters still undecided. I think it's far from given that Romney will win.

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posted November 05, 2011 01:13 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 13:18, 05 Nov 2011.

A mainstream Republican is going to vote for Perry, Cain, or Gingrich (or Santorum). Any votes lost from one of those candidates is more than likely going to go to one of those other ones. Romney leans closer to moderate than those 4, and Paul is an outsider. Unless an individual suddenly changes their political philosophy, they're not going to want to vote for Perry one second and then switch to Paul.

Romney's biggest threat is if the votes going towards the hard neocons consolidate onto one candidate. If that happens Obama has a pretty good chance of being a 2 term president in spite of his floundering popularity.
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posted November 05, 2011 03:44 PM
Edited by Brukernavn at 15:46, 05 Nov 2011.

Bachman, Perry and Cain have all had their 15 minutes, their support is not coming back. Santorum has not been able to gain support, neither has Huntsman. Gingrich is just as moderate as Romney, if not more. He's been left alone for now, but if his numbers rise more, he'll get some heat and fall quickly. Saying Paul is an outsider might have been true in '08, but not this time. The same people that laughed about his policies in the last election are now trying hard to sound like him. Even Perry has been parroting some of his expressions, just listen to how he speaks in the National Association of Manufacturers Presidential Forum, for instance.

Paul is currently third in the polls with about 10-15%, behind Cain and Romney. Here is a Reuters/Ipsos poll from the middle of October, which shows:
Romney - 23%
Cain - 19%
Paul - 13%
Perry - 10%
Gingrich - 7%
Bachman - 5%
Huntsman - 2%
Santorum isn't even included.

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Unless an individual suddenly changes their political philosophy, they're not going to want to vote for Perry one second and then switch to Paul.

If they go from Obama to Paul, I don't think the leap from Perry to Paul is any less likely. The political philosophy of the whole party has shifted. 4 years ago the federal reserve was a non-issue, now 75% want to audit the FED. 4 years ago Paul was the only one saying "bring the troops home", now many of them are saying things close to that (even if it's just political talk).
But the media is propping up Gingrich at the moment, so I'm guessing the support Cain had will translate to him. But after a month in the spotlight he will fall as quick as the others. The latest positive media coverage of Pauls financial plan and endorsements from Limbaugh and Palin could wake up some people. A lot can happen...

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posted November 05, 2011 08:41 PM

Right now, I don't think the republicans can find anybody worth fielding.  I am no democrat by any means, but some of the shenanigans happening now are making me want to vote anything BUT republican.  I think I would right now vote for an independent chimpanzee then either side *shrug*
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posted November 09, 2011 10:37 PM

There have been rumors that Rick Perry was drunk when he held one of his speeches.

But I think he did better then than when he's presumably sober; An example of from the debate this evening.

In his own words: "Oops"...

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posted November 09, 2011 11:26 PM

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There have been rumors that Rick Perry was drunk when he held one of his speeches.

But I think he did better then than when he's presumably sober; An example of from the debate this evening.

In his own words: "Oops"...


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posted November 11, 2011 07:30 PM

How high is the chance that Ron Paul will be the Republican candidate?

He's seems to be the ONLY sensible person out there.

Did Obama fulfill any of his promises from 2008?

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posted November 11, 2011 07:34 PM

Probably gonna be Romney...

Well, looks like Obama is getting his second term. Congrats!
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posted November 11, 2011 07:46 PM

So the people of the US must choose between a stereotypical zealous (in the eyes of a secular country) american anti-gay and anti-women/abortion guy from Texas vs a president that did not keep his promises at all and got the Nobel peace because of his skin colour.

Meh, if I had to choose, I would move to Canada anyway.
But New York is nice. And Anaheim, California, cause there's where BlizzCon is.

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posted November 12, 2011 04:02 AM

Nothing stereotypical about a mormon. He's actually really disliked in hardcore republican circles. It's just that all the other candidates are nobody, crazy or people who made gigantic blunders during their campaign, so Romney's probably going to be it, from what I've heard.
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posted November 12, 2011 10:32 AM

Romney's smart because he doesn't say anything.  Pretty funny that he's going to win the nomination due to the sole fact that he hasn't opened his mouth and consequently sounded like an idiot.
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posted November 14, 2011 09:54 AM

Rick Perry may be the biggest clown to ever run for President.

Exhibit A
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posted November 15, 2011 10:06 AM
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I don't see how Romney is a clear winner. If anything, it's clear that during his whole campaign he hasn't been able to gather any more support despite those he's running against.

Right now it's a dead heat in Iowa (the first caucus state); Republican Party Candidates in Four-Way Dead Heat.
It's between:
Cain - 20%
Paul - 19%
Romney - 18%
Gingrich - 17%

The GOP has long been talking about the 'anti Romney', and now there are three anti-Romneys with just as much support for him. It's far from decided. I think the one that emerges as the winner in the early primary states will end up getting the nomination over Romney. Most of those ~50% anti-Romney votes will single in on one or two candidates that seem to be able to take him.

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posted November 15, 2011 10:44 AM

Iowa is a strange state. They have more corn than air molecules... and the vast majority of the state is rural farmland. Small communities then to be economically liberal and socially conservative... so they are dubbed "Wierd" by both sides. For some reason, people fail to realize that Iowa is the personification of this wierd... In the midwest, Iowa is known as the "Oddball" state, and it's one of the two states where you don't find people for a hundred mile stretch. They might be a bit differetn from the vast majority of the US...

Let's ask how Iowa compairs to the other 50 states, and how many of the canidates they support in the primaries actually win the canidacy. Sure they go first, but how do they match to the rest of the country?

Cain is down to 20% support in Iowa? He's in trouble. Paul is... almost double his usual amount of support... Newt came in for the lulz. My prediction? Romney over all is going to have consistently high support, Paul will have his diehards, Cain will drop like a stone in places that have a TV or radio (not Iowa ), and Gingritch will drop back again after fumbling up or something randomly pops up that knocks him back down. (For Perry, it was his int, for Bachmen we realized that she was crazy, for Cain it's this whole sexual abuse thing (a fourth woman who doesn't have a court-imposed silence came foreward), for Newt... IDK, maybe his left eye will do something?) Just a prediction.
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posted November 15, 2011 11:42 AM

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for Newt... IDK, maybe his left eye will do something?


Newt will cause an interdimensional instability that will suck him into nothingness
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posted November 15, 2011 12:33 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 12:34, 15 Nov 2011.

Who actually supports Newt Gingrich? He's Newt Gingrich!
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posted November 15, 2011 12:54 PM

Gingrich is very intelligent but has the personality of a phonebook and a lot of closet-dwelling skeletons that will scare off all the morality police.
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posted November 15, 2011 02:51 PM

All Newt ever does is use his speech time to promote his books, dvds etc.

His campaign also lost all of its senior staff because Newt wanted to use the time to sell books, dvds, private events, etc for himself rather than actually use that time to campaign.

It's also why he was so ignored in debates, because he was already a joke.

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Senior staffers demanded that Gingrich focus on pressing the flesh and fundraising and stop touring the country promoting film projects with his wife. At one point Gingrich was so focused on film premiers and book signings, one senior staffer emailed the team: “We didn’t sign up to be hucksters for products for sale”


I doubt he could really get the Christian vote either because he is about three Bill Clinton's worth of infidelity. He's not good for anybody, but that's fine because it doesn't even look like he's taking the presidential race seriously.
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