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posted August 15, 2012 11:28 AM |
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LOL @ antijewish attitude being "thing of the past".
get on a random Polish forum and count the anti-jew posts. Over 9000.
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posted August 15, 2012 01:08 PM |
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LOL @ antijewish attitude being "thing of the past".
get on a random Polish forum and count the anti-jew posts. Over 9000.
Kinda amaizing. I wonder why? Why would people believe in the lies of your enemy? Nazi propaganda must have been a blast really. So many people believe in the whole "Jews are responsible" thing.
Its like the witch hunt in medieval europe.
Back on topic.
The idea of reintroducing medieval armor against knife attacks is logical.
Chainmail protects against knives and IMHO should be available for sale.
Its one thing that does not have any drawbacks and would do good to anyone.
Also, it baffles me that nobody,that is no politicians, mentions knives. Why are not those regulated? How about knife control?
Every teenage brat has those.
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posted August 15, 2012 02:33 PM |
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Under crisis, people tend to look for scapegoats. Jews are the only foreign group that has any numbers in Poland, so this was a no-brainer for the stupid crowd.
How can knives be regulated? Every home has those to slice bread, you know 
And I don't really see a point of chainmails or platemails when you have tasers around. Now Power Armor, that would be different story
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posted August 15, 2012 05:44 PM |
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Ain't going to happen. Cops aren't ever going to be armored. One word: atmosphere. If they're walking around with Kevlar bracers, it will spoil some (many?) people's serenity while in public and they'll complain about it. Namely the most influential group of people when it comes to that sort of thing: middle-aged women.
I don't know why, but that just seems to be the way a great deal of people tick. It makes them feel like they're in a police state or something.
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posted August 15, 2012 07:55 PM |
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Of course, their guns and batons make them feel quite comfy and right at home.
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posted August 15, 2012 08:23 PM |
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Back on topic.
The idea of reintroducing medieval armor against knife attacks is logical.
Chainmail protects against knives and IMHO should be available for sale.
Its one thing that does not have any drawbacks and would do good to anyone.
Also, it baffles me that nobody,that is no politicians, mentions knives. Why are not those regulated? How about knife control?
Every teenage brat has those.
There are to my knowledge no laws that prevent you from walking around in full plate if you want to. There are "superheroes" patroling some cities who wear bullet proof/knife proof suits.
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There lots of knife injuries and killings in Ireland and calls for knife regulation. Unfortunately liberals don't seem to grasp that people kill people. Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. People kill people. If you take away the guns and knives people will still kill people.
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posted August 15, 2012 08:28 PM |
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And you can't grasp what "the liberals" can and can't grasp but that doesn't seem to stop you from posting the same refrain like some mantra. 
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posted August 16, 2012 01:13 AM |
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There lots of knife injuries and killings in Ireland and calls for knife regulation. Unfortunately liberals don't seem to grasp that people kill people. Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. People kill people. If you take away the guns and knives people will still kill people.
Based on that logic I'm sure you have no problem with Iran getting nukes. After all, bombs don't kill people; people kill people.
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posted August 16, 2012 04:05 AM |
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There lots of knife injuries and killings in Ireland and calls for knife regulation. Unfortunately liberals don't seem to grasp that people kill people. Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. People kill people. If you take away the guns and knives people will still kill people.
Based on that logic I'm sure you have no problem with Iran getting nukes. After all, bombs don't kill people; people kill people.
Except that Iran has already said it wants to do such things as blow Israel off the face of the earth and Iran is not a person but a nation. A nation that finances terrorism.
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posted August 17, 2012 03:20 AM |
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posted August 17, 2012 06:45 AM |
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LOL @ antijewish attitude being "thing of the past".
get on a random Polish forum and count the anti-jew posts. Over 9000.
Kinda amaizing. I wonder why? Why would people believe in the lies of your enemy? Nazi propaganda must have been a blast really. So many people believe in the whole "Jews are responsible" thing.
Its like the witch hunt in medieval europe.
Back on topic.
The idea of reintroducing medieval armor against knife attacks is logical.
Chainmail protects against knives and IMHO should be available for sale.
Its one thing that does not have any drawbacks and would do good to anyone.
Also, it baffles me that nobody,that is no politicians, mentions knives. Why are not those regulated? How about knife control?
Every teenage brat has those.
Knives are regulated, but the laws vary mostly state to state. Switchblades or other automatically opening knifes are generally illegal, most other types of knifes have few restrictions. It is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 2" to a public school or University. It is actually legal to bring knives less than 2" to schools, mostly just for Sikhs though.
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posted August 17, 2012 07:07 AM |
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NY cops shot dog for defending his traffic injured owner
Look how they play big boss around for 10 minutes with their pending guns while nobody cares about the laying guy.
Absolutely zero surprise that the dog was a pit bull. They're about the stupidest animal on the planet, right behind sea urchins. The cop could have shot the hateful little piece of **** somewhere nonvital though, such as in the head. It's extremely unlikely you'd ever hit the brain that's supposedly floating around in there somewhere amongst all of its artificially selected bigotry.
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posted August 17, 2012 07:14 AM |
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posted August 17, 2012 07:33 AM |
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See? He shot it in the head. No harm done. It survived.
In all honesty though, setting aside my unabated disdain towards the failed biology project that is otherwise known as the pit bull, I don't see why it matters that it was defending its owner. That's what that model of dog is programmed to do. They loyally defend their owners from the non-existent threats that are surrounding them at all times, but that isn't going to make its teeth any less sharp. A rabid dog is 'innocent' also, but it's still probably going to be in a state of heightened defensiveness. Although I agree with the article that the cops should have been better trained to deal with those moronic 4-legged safety hazards. It was pretty ignorant to nudge the unconscious guy with their feet while that thing was around.
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posted August 17, 2012 11:16 AM |
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I fail to understand those extreme expeditious manners to deal with anything. It sounds to me crazy that cops have to shot someone's pet to help him, and this in a public place where a bullet can go nuts.
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They loyally defend their owners from the non-existent threats
Thinking again, the dog was absolutely right. Calling NY cops non-existent threats sounds funny, after what I saw. Dogs feel things better than us.
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posted August 17, 2012 11:52 AM |
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I fail to understand those extreme expeditious manners to deal with anything.
A guy was unconscious on the ground and he had a dog with him.
That dog was a threat to the man's own life. I would have done the same if I was in the case of that cop. Neutrolize the dog, see if the guy is just acting or really in need of help, call emergency.
The last thing they should have done is wait for some animal catchers.
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....and this in a public place where a bullet can go nuts.
Never knew bullets had intelligence. How can a bullet go nuts? You mean a 9mm round is able to ricochet and kill 57 people in a row...."cough" ....someone under the dog or behind the dog.
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posted August 20, 2012 06:14 PM |
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posted August 21, 2012 05:56 PM |
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I don't agree with the notion some liberals seem to have that you have the right to cut the throats of half a dozen officers before they can shoot. A knife is a deadly weapon. If you pick up a knife and threaten a cop you should expect to be shot. The person to blame for the man's death is the man holding the knife. All of the cops evidently fired at once. They didn't say, "Hey, Officer Bob, are you going to shoot? How about you, Tom? Bill?" No, they all made a decision that it was necessary to shoot to preserve their life.
The knife wielding moron appears to have had a history of crime and violence. Such an idiot sooner or later is likely to die an idiot's death.
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Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person" with "a long history" of contacts with law enforcement, "not only with police from our department but with the county."
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But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. "One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second," he said. "The public doesn't know this because they don't do this for a living."
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posted August 21, 2012 06:06 PM |
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Seems you removed this part from your quote:
"Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" that the video is "a perceptive nightmare" for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers.
This wasn't a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction," he said."
It looks to me that 6 cops firing each one 8 bullets into a man at once means one thing only: they had no idea what to do and totally lost control over the situation. When they realized they screwed, they deleted all car video recorded and told there aren't any.
As Angelito said, a butcher puts uniform and becomes a cop.
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posted August 21, 2012 06:18 PM |
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@46 bullets@
Wrong use of power! Think about the police shoot someone, people see someone holds a toy gun in hand. I was on the bus, someone shoots towards the bus where I had to sit on the bus. Toy! Good that the police department is not exploding. Civil murderer is sick.
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