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Thread: This game is the greatest heroes game made! [ This thread is 3 pages long: (1) 2 3 ]
okrane
okrane


Famous Hero
posted June 12, 2011 04:31 PM

This game is the greatest heroes game made!

Years after I stopped playing heroes 3 and 5, and all others for that matter, I always find myself trying out new maps of the game.

The strategy around this game is so nice and I love it so much. It's such a shame those tard devs chose to completely ignore the great innovations done by this game.

Who's with me?

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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted June 12, 2011 05:08 PM

+1

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Zeki
Zeki


Famous Hero
Questionable Loli-Preferences
posted June 12, 2011 05:49 PM

Me too!
Many say that the new mechanisms are bad, but I say some of them are not thought.
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Gauldoth_IV
Gauldoth_IV


Adventuring Hero
nobody
posted June 13, 2011 04:23 AM

So am I.
Years ago, when the game just published, as I was a stone head and still immersed in fun that H3 brought to me, another reason because that time I was just a knowledge-less teenager. I was always telling the defect of the game to the people I met. But by the deep game play and age up of myself. I found I become much more like the game, I really have fun in it, even now I still playing. As there's someone said,"It's may not be the best and most classic game of the heroes of MM series, but it may be the funniest". And it has a great campaign editor, another fun for me.
It's a big shame, NWC haven't got enough time to make it better(thanks 3DO, they even hadn't completed), if they have more time... but there's no "if"...
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XiXiS
XiXiS

Tavern Dweller
posted June 13, 2011 08:40 AM

That's right

I believe Heroes 4 is the best game of all others.

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Khalbrae
Khalbrae


Adventuring Hero
posted June 13, 2011 05:12 PM

Heroes 4 was good enough that is they sold it more as a different type of RPG and not have the "heroes" name attached to it (and didn't rush the buggy early version out, darn you 3DO) it would be one of their most widely acclaimed games.

Still wish 3DO never bought New World Computing to begin with.

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Dj0rel
Dj0rel

Tavern Dweller
posted June 14, 2011 01:35 PM

Well I'm not sure if one can say it's the best of all but it is definitely better than what many people say.

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted June 14, 2011 08:07 PM

yeah, it's true that it's the one I enjoyed the most, or maybe it was homm2?
in many way I think H5 is better, but for some reason it feels more boring than previous homm. might be the AI, you know that it's going to cheat, and attack you at the end of the 1st month with an army twice as large as yours...

there was something fun in H4 about having several heroes in your army and owning the opponent with overpowered spells, there were lots of possible combos.

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Lexxan
Lexxan


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
posted June 14, 2011 08:18 PM

I enjoyed H4... but I don't count is as a HoMM game. It is too different from the others imo.

It however is still a decent game on its own and definitely criminally underrated by most other HoMM players.
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Bones_xa
Bones_xa


Known Hero
posted June 15, 2011 12:14 AM

H4 was my favorite, mainly because of the fact that you could have multiple heroes for each group.
Heroes 3 was great too, but in a different way, its a different game really.
I don't like heroes 5 at all and from what I've seen so far, heroes 6 looks even worse.

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mvassilev
mvassilev


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
HC SUPPORTER
posted June 15, 2011 01:53 AM

It's the greatest at being bad.
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Hellburn
Hellburn


Famous Hero
The efreet
posted June 15, 2011 05:29 PM

Quote:
Years after I stopped playing heroes 3 and 5, and all others for that matter, I always find myself trying out new maps of the game.

The strategy around this game is so nice and I love it so much. It's such a shame those tard devs chose to completely ignore the great innovations done by this game.

Who's with me?

Dunno why, but this made me laugh so hard. Maybe the reason is that, as far as I remember, you were talking trash about Heroes 4. And I mean TRASH.

Lol.
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E-Lysander
E-Lysander


Known Hero
Lysander
posted June 15, 2011 06:56 PM

Interesting. I wish I could experience what you're feeling about Heroes IV.

I mean, it's obviously a great game, but I just can't... get a handle on it. I never feel comfortable with it, like I know what I'm doing. I always feel relaxed in the other games (especially Heroes II), in fact its what I do to relax, but Heroes IV always feels really weird.

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Bones_xa
Bones_xa


Known Hero
posted June 16, 2011 07:44 PM

Quote:
Interesting. I wish I could experience what you're feeling about Heroes IV.

I mean, it's obviously a great game, but I just can't... get a handle on it. I never feel comfortable with it, like I know what I'm doing. I always feel relaxed in the other games (especially Heroes II), in fact its what I do to relax, but Heroes IV always feels really weird.


I feel the opposite way as you.
In H4, I feel the most comfortable and in control, I can relax and prolong the game as long as I want. For example, in heroes 4, I can leave the computer completely alone if I want, and just sit in my own land more comfortable fighting the neutrals and still maintain control. In heroes 2 & 3, if you sit and wait and try a defensive strategy, the computer will come by and might totally screw you over. The AI is much more aggressive in Heroes 2 & 3 which I find forces me to have to play that way too or else I am screwed. Having to play this way gets boring much faster.

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TheUnknown
TheUnknown


Adventuring Hero
posted June 16, 2011 08:27 PM

Still the best for me.

Simultaneous retaliations are the best balance achievement a turn based strategy can have.

Spells and potions that destroy corpses, caravans, cumulative dwellings growth, treasuries that renew guards every month if destroyed.

Super siege battles, the moment I saw you can put your own units in the towers I fell in love with the gameplay. Many spells to disable or enable different attacks or defenses based on the place the battle takes place.

Easy to play, easy to understand but at the same moment has a complex nature if you are willing to explore it deeply.

I will always love it.

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Bones_xa
Bones_xa


Known Hero
posted June 16, 2011 08:56 PM

Quote:
Still the best for me.

Simultaneous retaliations are the best balance achievement a turn based strategy can have.

Spells and potions that destroy corpses, caravans, cumulative dwellings growth, treasuries that renew guards every month if destroyed.

Super siege battles, the moment I saw you can put your own units in the towers I fell in love with the gameplay. Many spells to disable or enable different attacks or defenses based on the place the battle takes place.

Easy to play, easy to understand but at the same moment has a complex nature if you are willing to explore it deeply.

I will always love it.


Yes yes yes. I agree.

Simultaneuos retailations are better IMO. Makes the battle quite different.

Caravans are great, and that you can move units without heroes is a relief. Don't have to go all the way back into town to grab some. Can also send creatures to a town from a dwelling using a caravan. Only the dungeon with portal of summoning could do that in H3.

Sieges are different than in H3. Like having the units in towers alone changes the battle.

The regeneration of treasure dwellings is great, it makes a map playable for much longer a time. I've played maps for so many more months than I've ever played in H3. Too bad the power ups don't regenerate too in scenarios. If I were to change the game this is one thing I'd do.

Absolutely love the fact that you can have more than one hero per group. It changes the whole game and makes it much more fun.
I love how they carried familiar heroes over from older games 1, 2, and 3. But they cut them out in H5, a big reason why I hate H5.

There are also many other tricks that can be done, giving the game many options if you are creative. Like you can have more than 8 groups of heroes/armies roaming the map if you know how, and you can do interesting things with town protal like using it as a retreat and blocking off towns to take a hero group to another nearby town.

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seelkama
seelkama


Adventuring Hero
Yay! I'm hired. Now what?
posted June 21, 2011 09:56 AM

The only thing I don't like about h4 is about graphics. There's so many amazing features in h4 like one man army, hero only army, no hero army etc... I also enjoyed h4's campaign the most.

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted June 23, 2011 02:04 PM

now, I wonder if it could be done in heroes 5.5
several heroes in an army. at the cost of some penalty of course.

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dD_ShockTroop
dD_ShockTroop


Hired Hero
posted July 03, 2011 05:53 AM

I suddenly feel a lot better after reading this after hearing all the H6 reviewers taking the opportunity to hate on H4. The towers, retaliation, in-combat heroes, heroless armies, caravans, fog of war, no week of plague, line-of-site ranged, ranged retaliation, nasty creature abilities... Every change they made I loved. Even the terrible scaling of troops was funny. (genies were very funny late on)

And everyone who complains about heroes being imba later on obviously hasn't been one-shot by an efreet fire-shield, insta-killed by a champion/dark champion charge, been piked to death by 1000+ pikemen, frozen by the ice demons, bound by the mantises or been killed twice before they hit the ground by a sea monster. (they can kill you, then kill you again when you revive in a single attack)
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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted July 03, 2011 12:12 PM

usually, the only way my heroes were imba was through their spells. otherwise they would still die to a single attack, if the stack isn't weakling.

in early game I think they were too weak. fortunately, in most case, you could use your creatures as meat shields. in hard mode, imps in front of the sawmill / ore mine was one of the worst things. they were quite good at killing low level heroes.

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