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Hobbit
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posted March 03, 2013 06:08 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 18:10, 03 Mar 2013.
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Redesigning - no problem for me, but it just has to be the same style as other "civilian" building (marketplace, tavern).
About original AB campaign - I'm afraid it would be almost the same as the final one. NWC didn't have time to make another eight completely new scenarios, so I think they just remade them a little bit for Conflux.
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are those 5 tracks seriously Paul's work?
They sound like Paul's work, though they probably weren't made for Forge or even any Heroes game.
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DarkDXZ
Known Hero
Haiku sensei
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posted March 03, 2013 06:17 PM |
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About original AB campaign - I'm afraid it would be almost the same as the final one. NWC didn't have time to make another eight completely new scenarios, so I think they just remade them a little bit for Conflux.
I wonder what would happen if we got Conflux for SoD (IT WOULD BE BALANCED, DAMNIT!) - I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have elementals in it.
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JustAnotherGuy
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posted March 03, 2013 07:51 PM |
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About the pictures - most of them are really nice. I like the Pyro generator, blacksmith, resource silo, market. I don't get however, why the goblins building changed - I liked the original one and it made sense. The new one not that much - what is this upper, flamy part? It doesn't fit really, given we know how lasers were produced for goblins.
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and capitol will be redisigned. Nobody likes it's glassy look.
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Well, I do, but that aside...
Same here.
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Clean buildings are civilian (who appreciate them being so), while those rough ones are military (first of all they're dwellings, and second of all, troops don't really care about that).
So IMHO that makes perfect sense.
I've never thought about it this way, however it makes sense and you're right. Military buildings - dirty, rusty. Civilian - glass, clean. Yeah, I agree.
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Many people miss the point saying that HotA Forge won't be "the real Forge", while we have no idea what would be Forge like if it was actually released. It's like with Heroes 3 Beta - all these screens that we've seen were in most cases just first drafts which probably wouldn't be in the final game.
I remember one of NWC members saying something like: 3DO messed up showing something not ready at all and that was the main reason why it had to be abandoned.
Well, I do agree with your point as far as we concern graphics. I am aware that e.g. Dungeon, Necropolis changed before release. I don't mind (in most of the cases) improving the graphics, giving buildings more detail, changing them a bit etc. That's really good.
I don't agree however about changing the mechanics too far. Each nation was supposed to be different in gameplay. Conflux was interesting - first H3 nation to have flyers on lv.1, and having no unupgraded shooters. And having Fire Elementals, which get flying ability when upgraded. And having lev. 2-5 units almost of similar strength. Yeah, Conflux was very interesting, if only it was balanced a bit better...
And what about Forge? It was supposed to be the first H3 nation with lv. 1 unupgraded shooters. And also probably just one flyer (I do believe that Juggernaut were non-flyers, and if you listen to the sounds relaesed together with the music, they did walk). That was really good, and made this nation even more interesting.
And now, once unit order was changed, what do we get? Well, another town with lv. 2 shooters. Like Castle. And Inferno. And Fortress. What about lev. 1 then? Melee unit - same as almost all other nations!
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DarkDXZ
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Haiku sensei
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posted March 03, 2013 08:36 PM |
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Edited by DarkDXZ at 20:38, 03 Mar 2013.
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About the pictures - most of them are really nice. I like the Pyro generator, blacksmith, resource silo, market. I don't get however, why the goblins building changed - I liked the original one and it made sense. The new one not that much - what is this upper, flamy part? It doesn't fit really, given we know how lasers were produced for goblins.
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and capitol will be redisigned. Nobody likes it's glassy look.
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Well, I do, but that aside...
Same here.
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Clean buildings are civilian (who appreciate them being so), while those rough ones are military (first of all they're dwellings, and second of all, troops don't really care about that).
So IMHO that makes perfect sense.
I've never thought about it this way, however it makes sense and you're right. Military buildings - dirty, rusty. Civilian - glass, clean. Yeah, I agree.
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Many people miss the point saying that HotA Forge won't be "the real Forge", while we have no idea what would be Forge like if it was actually released. It's like with Heroes 3 Beta - all these screens that we've seen were in most cases just first drafts which probably wouldn't be in the final game.
I remember one of NWC members saying something like: 3DO messed up showing something not ready at all and that was the main reason why it had to be abandoned.
Well, I do agree with your point as far as we concern graphics. I am aware that e.g. Dungeon, Necropolis changed before release. I don't mind (in most of the cases) improving the graphics, giving buildings more detail, changing them a bit etc. That's really good.
I don't agree however about changing the mechanics too far. Each nation was supposed to be different in gameplay. Conflux was interesting - first H3 nation to have flyers on lv.1, and having no unupgraded shooters. And having Fire Elementals, which get flying ability when upgraded. And having lev. 2-5 units almost of similar strength. Yeah, Conflux was very interesting, if only it was balanced a bit better...
And what about Forge? It was supposed to be the first H3 nation with lv. 1 unupgraded shooters. And also probably just one flyer (I do believe that Juggernaut were non-flyers, and if you listen to the sounds relaesed together with the music, they did walk). That was really good, and made this nation even more interesting.
And now, once unit order was changed, what do we get? Well, another town with lv. 2 shooters. Like Castle. And Inferno. And Fortress. What about lev. 1 then? Melee unit - same as almost all other nations!
Agreed.
Un-upgraded lv. 1 shooters would be a BIG plus to the Forge, even if they only had 1/4 range.
Also, note that this screenshot doesn't represent the actual creature lineup (left-bottom corner) - since Pyros would not be a lv. 1 creature (and upgrades do not get a seperate "box" or growth rate), and I doubt that Grunts would get a growth rate of 30 (even if the basic rate would be 15 in that scenario).
Also, no capitol in there.
I stumbled upon a (somewhat) worthwhile piece of information regarding hero names. (Polish site, also info is a bit messed up)
Possibly male hero names
Gormlaith, Fianait, Declan, Scothnait, Ronnad, Kilian, Easnadh, Eibhear, Caoilfhionn, Orlaith, Lonaith
Possibly female hero names
Deirdre, Treasa, Saraid, Saorla, Laoise, Anthona, Jowita, Mealla, Muirne, Roisin, Una, Teafa
(total of 25 heroes)
The legitimacy of those names is kinda questionable due to lack of Kastore, but I suppose that this lists heroes that weren't relevant to the storyline. Also, I doubt that any town in Heroes 3 had over 25 heroes, so...
But its' worth being left here.
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don_komandorr
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posted March 03, 2013 09:02 PM |
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Ivan, firstly "Edificio El Moro" Have absolutely nothing in common with original capitol.
 
I thought about using that building as a reference for the new model but now I have another idea .
JustAnotherGuy, Goblin's blasters are produced by Havenly forge, not inside any building. + the new dwelling is made based on NWC concept arts and looks more original compared to what we saw on the screen.
1lvl shooter - not in this town. But the idea of having first 3 tiers of the same strength is still actual.
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DarkDXZ
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Haiku sensei
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posted March 03, 2013 09:22 PM |
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don, what concept art?
I don't recall seeing any Goblin dwelling art - could be wrong, though.
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted March 03, 2013 10:04 PM |
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Aww, thanks, that's *exactly* what I wanted to do with the pictures... sadly I have no idea how to do it 
I think "nothing in common" is a bit too strong: after all, they both have a central, tallest "main" building and gradually smaller anexations as they go to the sides... that's what I meant by "similar".
Regarding the hero names, I think Kastore, Dark Shade, Maximus and Tolberti should be among them. If you choose to side with Archibald and, later, Kastore, Tolberti doesn't die and should be present, along with the others. As for the rest, I think some Heroes 2 characters that don't appear in Heroes 3 should be brought back as Forge heroes.
And in case anyone has JVC's or GF's adress, send away! I believe that there's next to no chance that they'll reply but, hey, it's worth a shot 
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DarkDXZ
Known Hero
Haiku sensei
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posted March 03, 2013 10:42 PM |
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Edited by DarkDXZ at 23:07, 03 Mar 2013.
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It might be kinda a shot in the dark, but the screenshot proofing Paul's music benig HIS music showed paromero@aol.com as his e-mail address.
But then we have no proof of it being, well, HIS e-mail address (I sent him an e-mail about one and a half months ago, but got no reply so far - but why would Heavenly Forge Team fake his e-mail? After all, that could be perfectly plausible...)
CONSPIRACY THEORYCRAFTING TIME!
While we're still at heroes, I wonder what specialties they could get.
We would obviously have pretty standard creature specialties 1-6 + campaign-only lv. 7 creature specialty (Maximus, anyone?).
Also, Kastore could probably have a specialty similar to that of Gelu, upgrading Goblins, Grunts and Hobgoblins into Foot Soldiers or something along those lines - maybe even other units into their Forge counterparts?).
Gold specialty; Resource specialty...Probably Mercury, as it seems like the most fitting one for the Forge.
Spells, I have no idea, Forge is not a spell-heavy town to begin with.
"+5% skill" - I'd go with Logistics or Armorer.
...Or maybe some unorthodox specialties?
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We could also throw Sheltem in there just for fun, but that wouldn't make any sense at all.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted March 03, 2013 11:16 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 12:31, 05 Mar 2013.
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I do believe that Juggernaut were non-flyers, and if you listen to the sounds relaesed together with the music, they did walk
While the music was Paul Romero's work, other sounds were made by fans.
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I don't recall seeing any Goblin dwelling art
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I think Kastore, Dark Shade, Maximus and Tolberti should be among them.
Dark Shade, Maximus and Tolberti weren't actually that important for MM7 story. I'm not sure if even Kastore was supposed to be a playable hero... But it's of course matter of opinion.
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paromero at aol dot com
It is Paul's e-mail address. But it seems like he doesn't reply quite often.
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DarkDXZ
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posted March 03, 2013 11:34 PM |
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paromero@aol.com
It is Paul's e-mail address. But it seems like he doesn't reply quite often.
For sure he doesn't.
Now watch as it turns out that he DID read my email, but wants to troll us by not replying.
C'mon Mr. Romero! Be a hero (not of Might and Magic, though).
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blueskirt
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posted March 04, 2013 04:11 AM |
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Although interesting for sure, the Armageddon's Blade campaign prior to the Forge cancellation would in no way constitute a good replacement to the campaign I've been expecting from this project ever since I discovered it.
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DarkDXZ
Known Hero
Haiku sensei
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posted March 05, 2013 07:04 AM |
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In any case, I doubt that the campaign would be in a playable state anyway (Forge heroes, towns, creatures and dwellings)...
#notabump
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"If I can't determine whether people are trolling or not within a moment's notice I will just start flailing with this chainaxe without any particular aim besides general slaughter." - Adrius
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 05, 2013 08:05 AM |
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If other noobies wrote his email address in an open forum as I see here, that would explain why that address is compromised and no longer in use.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted March 05, 2013 12:38 PM |
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TBH spam after posting my e-mail address never happened to me, so I don't think that's the problem (especially when most nowaday e-mail programs have spam filtering). Besides - he didn't respond me in a year. But anyhow, if this is such a problem, I fixed my post.
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OxFEA
Promising
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feanor on DF2.ru
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posted March 05, 2013 01:53 PM |
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Edited by OxFEA at 13:56, 05 Mar 2013.
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Dark Shade, Maximus and Tolberti weren't actually that important for MM7 story. I'm not sure if even Kastore was supposed to be a playable hero... But it's of course matter of opinion.
Maybe, Kastore will be campaign hero and Maximus - common.
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While we're still at heroes, I wonder what specialties they could get.
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Generals: 1-6 lvls except cyborgs; tactics, offense, scouting. Common skill - tactics.
Engineers: cyborgs; +350 gold (or estates); mercury (if 7 lvl won't use mercury); spells (Bloodlust, Armageddon, Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning (or another high spell)); some skill specialist. Common skill, of course, wisdom.
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blueskirt
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posted March 05, 2013 07:02 PM |
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Dark Shade, Maximus and Tolberti weren't actually that important for MM7 story. I'm not sure if even Kastore was supposed to be a playable hero... But it's of course matter of opinion.
Maybe, Kastore will be campaign hero and Maximus - common.
Agar could fit the bill as well, although I think HOTA had plans for him IIRC. At least I recall seeing his portrait in a very old post on the previous HOTA thread.
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don_komandorr
Known Hero
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posted March 05, 2013 07:38 PM |
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Agar is a lich by that time. Why should he help Forge?
Well, As I'm planning, Kastore will be main camghain hero.
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blueskirt
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 05, 2013 11:16 PM |
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The guy's a bit of a doctor Frankenstein, trying to create the perfect creatures through science, the Forge would certainly gives him more possibilities than he had before, I don't believe his current lich state would change that aspect of him.
But now that I think about it, with the exception of cyborg zombies and some creatures sketches, the Forge's creatures line up seems more about equipping creatures with high tech weapons than creating half living, half mechanized monstrosities, which is where he doesn't fit in the faction at all other than some sort of rogue mad scientist.
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DarkDXZ
Known Hero
Haiku sensei
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posted March 06, 2013 07:02 AM |
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You should remember that the Forge we've seen was merely concept art and drafts.
In the end we could've even gotten a full cyborg town for all we know.
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Pim18
Known Hero
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posted March 06, 2013 08:41 PM |
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I am sorry for bringing this back and I am sorry to burst your bubble but that track 33 is not of Paul Romero's work... According to my Windows Media Player it comes from an album called Danzig IV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzig_4p
I am not sure wheter my windows media player is just derping but I think we can conclude that that e-mail and the track is a hoax. Either that or the mail is real and Paul has decided to troll us(this is highly unlikely though)
Which is a shame because I kind of like the song!
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