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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 08:07 PM |
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We are born as equas.
But that doesn't mean that we should force equality through some crazy communist legislations.
As for Jimmy's father, he should seriously consider trying to become a more tolerant human being. I have the same problem with my grandmother. So my grandad has always identified himself as both a man and a women. Now recently, he has started to be a lot more open with it AND has started to be active in the HBTQ rights movement. He has made some appearances in the local media, defending a transgender who was being abused by the authorities. My grandmother has a hard time tolerating all this and it is especially hard when she is from a generation where her elderly friends call her and say: "Does your husband really dress up like a woman, like he said in the newspaper yesterday? I would kill myself if I were you."
Though she has trouble accepting him being open about his dual-sexuality, they still meet, eat and talk with each other like every day (she kicked him out of her house). 
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 20, 2012 08:08 PM |
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Isn't that what homosexuals are driving at though?
I find a homosexual male showering with other males same as a men showering with women.
To this you answered that it would be unfair on the women because they wouldn't like it.
So what of the opinion of the heterosexual males showering with a homosexual? Tough, stupid bigots, right?
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 08:14 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:15, 20 Jul 2012.
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My experience is that most straight people are a lot more tolerant than that. Knowledge is the key I guess. While it isn't likely to find one homosexual boy raping one of his 19 classmates in the shower, it's slightly more likely that any of those 19 boys would ever do some minor sexual abuse against one of the 20 girls.
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posted July 20, 2012 08:23 PM |
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By your age, you should start trying to identidy the difference between your own experience and reality. You know, the bigots are the ones that meet one bad apple, and hate all the group because of that.
@Tsar, did you skip my post by accident or...
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 08:29 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:31, 20 Jul 2012.
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Of course I draw from personal experience here. Or should I make the assumption that the majority of all straight people are intolerant bigots? I don't think there's a lot of statistics on this.
But, do you think school should intentionally segregate a likely lone individual from his class? I think that would cause a lot more bulliying and polarization.
Plus, kids aren't born with homophobia.
There's no reason they should feel uncomfortable with it unless people are telling them that gay people are disgusting and need to die.
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meroe
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posted July 20, 2012 08:43 PM |
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I think the whole debate here is bordering on victimising young gay kids. Homosexual friends of mine have mostly told me that they knew they were homosexual from very early on in life. And its a difficult enough time for them as it is - intolerance from parents/society/school friends, without it being blown out of all proportion during school age camping trips and being banned because of sexuality.
Its tantamount to making them sit 'all back of the bus'. Its a horrible thing to single them out as though they are some kind of pariah.
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posted July 20, 2012 09:49 PM |
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Ok lets clear some things up, first we are talking about a independent organization not a "school" funded by tax payers. So if we could not compare apples to idiots please.
Second if my daughter came home from school and claimed she was showering with Cindy, who is an open lesbian, and my daughter didn't feel comfortable because maybe she felt Cindy was looking at her naked then that needs to be addressed. It would be no different than if a boy came into the shower which is not allowed in any school. Should my daughter make assumptions that Cindy is going to come on to her or do something inappropriate, no.
We are talking about an age group where hormones run the show and there is a reason we don't co-ed camp and shower at this age. As adults we have coping skills and tools to deal with lets say going to a nude beach and not getting a boner.
With that said if parents want to send their children to a co-ed camp great! However when I signed my boys up for "boy" scouts it was done with the intent of having them hang out with other boys where my concern was not if they were going to be faced with another boy possibly hitting on them or gawking at them. They have to deal with enough of that in school with same sex and opposite sex.
They should be able to attend camp without pedophile counselors and children of the same sex being attracted to them. The boy scouts are completely in the right to have whatever stipulations they want to regardless of the intent.
You want utopia, tough ****, its not that way. We as a society have become more than tolerable to homosexuality among other things, like republicans, democrats, illegals, crime, divorce, equality being pushed down our throats even where it is not warranted (like the 300 pound girl who tried to sue Hooters because she was too fat to be hired there), and on and on.
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 09:56 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 21:56, 20 Jul 2012.
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Then your daughter needs to talk to Cindy and say that what she does isn't okay and that she will tell her teacher if Cindy doesn't stop starring at her.
I would not want to live in a country where your son really wants to become a "boy scout" and then they tell him, "Sorry, but gay people can't become boy scouts. Go play with your dolls."
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 20, 2012 10:06 PM |
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Because boy scouts is a religious organisation, (by modern terms) I doubt a homosexual would want to embody ideals that he directly contradicts with his sex-life. And if he really really wants to be an oathbreaker or a troll, then the parent should correct that in an appropriate manner.
It's like having african immigrant joining the British National Party. Why? Oh I really want to. Right. I opt for the playing with the dolls, it makes far more sense.
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 10:11 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 22:22, 20 Jul 2012.
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What, so you think homosexual kids are more likely to want to play with doll than wanting to be boy scouts? I hope that's not what you meant.
Also I didn't realize that the boy scouts were a religious sect. Those should in my opinion be forbidden. You should not be allowed to send your child to indocitrination camps. That's horrible. :/
But then, when I was in the scouts (which is not gender-divided here), then it was also christian but the christian part was just that you had to pray at the end of the "class". And that's why I left it a few years later.
(The reason I joined a christian scout group was because my friend had terrible parents who brainwashed their asberger son)
anyway about africans joining a brittish nationalists party. Why not?
Unless their nationalism is based on ethnicity and not identity.
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violent_flower
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posted July 20, 2012 10:21 PM |
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She shouldn't have to talk to Cindy because my daughter is the one being forced to shower with someone that has the great likely hood of being sexually attracted to her..
****Excuse me anyone have a cup of common sense****
****Um, looking for something to run my head into****
Debating this is like groping a set of AA boobies, very disappointing and has lots of room for improvement****
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 10:24 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 22:25, 20 Jul 2012.
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I didn't realize intolerance was "common sense".
I can guarantee you that if you have a homosexual friend in your class who you spend 5 days a week in school with it, then you are probably not constantly thinking about "Oh sweet god in heaven, is that girl looking at my vagina?"
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 20, 2012 10:27 PM |
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I don't tolerate people preaching equality and rights, while trampling over my rights and MY damn equality. It's not fair, and too many have bent over backwards to meet every demand of the homosexual community lest they be branded as bigots or homophobes. And I'd like to think that this isn't the case with most homosexuals, but my faith dwindles daily.
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2012 10:32 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 22:36, 20 Jul 2012.
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Because IT is homophobic and intolerant to think that the lesbian girl in your daughter's class is going to rape her. That there is a connection between what is perceived feminity and homosexuality. To think that teachers should point out a homosexual kid and say "You aren't welcome here because you are a likely rapist. Go away", possibly making the kid suicidal.
Is it either:
A) The "victim" (living with a still oppressed sexuality because a few individuals are intolerant)
B) The abusers.
who should adapt?
I really don't see the problem with the school showering example.
When you are six years old, you do not have a sexuality yet because you haven't hit puberty. So six years later you say that you're gay, and your friends start thinking that you want to rape them? Probably not if they had a normal parents.
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posted July 20, 2012 10:36 PM |
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She shouldn't have to talk to Cindy because my daughter is the one being forced to shower with someone that has the great likely hood of being sexually attracted to her..
And here i thought people FOUGHT over positive attention....
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posted July 20, 2012 11:52 PM |
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The problems some people have...
Let's sum up. Gays are not allowed to shower with their own gender - they will view their gender mates as sex objects, and the sex objects, errm, sorry, gender mates don't want that - or do they? I mean, positive attention...
Anyway, they are not allowed to shower with the other gender either, because now the other gender fells like they are viewed as a sex objects, and the sex ob..., err no, members of the..., umm, wait, the, err, persons of different gender don't want that - or do they? I mean, any attention...
Yeah, buit they are not allowed to shower with each other either, because they might view each other as a sex object, and the sex..., err, who exactly doesn't want that to happen, because, in that case you could just as well let everyone shower with everyone and view each other as ... no wait.
These darn gays! Really, what are they thinking? Disrupting everything and all...
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 21, 2012 12:22 AM |
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The problems some people have...
Let's sum up. Gays are not allowed to shower with their own gender - they will view their gender mates as sex objects, and the sex objects, errm, sorry, gender mates don't want that - or do they? I mean, positive attention...
Anyway, they are not allowed to shower with the other gender either, because now the other gender fells like they are viewed as a sex objects, and the sex ob..., err no, members of the..., umm, wait, the, err, persons of different gender don't want that - or do they? I mean, any attention...
Yeah, buit they are not allowed to shower with each other either, because they might view each other as a sex object, and the sex..., err, who exactly doesn't want that to happen, because, in that case you could just as well let everyone shower with everyone and view each other as ... no wait.
These darn gays! Really, what are they thinking? Disrupting everything and all...
Spot on, couldn't have put it better myself.
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meroe
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posted July 21, 2012 12:56 AM |
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Ok lets clear some things up, first we are talking about a independent organization not a "school" funded by tax payers. So if we could not compare apples to idiots please.
Whether its independent organizations/school or any other idiot situation. You are talking about discrimination. And worse of all you are talking about discriminating against impressionable young kids/adults who are still at a very vulnerable stage in their lives.
Maybe we should have them wear big yellow signs around their necks or stitched into their clothes huh  Just so its easier to pick them out of a crowd for a good beating.
You need to really think about what you have said here. Basically - lets find a way to openly discriminate against a particular minority, just because they make you feel uncomfortable. I mean the Cindy analogy is unbelieveable. You make the assumption that every homosexual person cannot be trusted around heterosexual people and are inherently predatory.
So now lets have Men's, Women's and Gay's toilets/changing rooms? School for gays. Gay restaurants. Wow we now have a homosexual apartheid.
Way to go. Lord forbid one of these independent organizations refuses you entry because you are female! Or is that comparing apples to idiots
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posted July 21, 2012 01:23 AM |
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refuses you entry because you are female!
Boy scouts? (albeit it does have a female only counterpart)
The french foreign legion.
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xerox
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posted July 21, 2012 03:08 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 03:10, 21 Jul 2012.
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Spot on, couldn't have put it better myself.
I don't understand why you said that that was "spot on" when I argued in the same way (that kids don't see each others as sex objects).
I got the impression that you wanted to ban gay kids from showering with their friends? trololol?
I also agree with Meroe. We should not teach children to discriminate each other.
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