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xerox
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posted November 21, 2012 07:02 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 19:03, 21 Nov 2012.
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There wouldn't be any religious fanatics in my secular, libertarian Sweden.
I would open a dialogue with the religous leadera and ask why the frack they are messing with us. Then all of Sweden would cooperate to stop extremism of all kind.
del_diablo: I'm more afraid of consevative republicans than I am of moderate islamists.
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posted November 21, 2012 08:17 PM |
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Well, there it is. About half an hour ago Israel's Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu announced a cease-fire. Let's hope it lasts.
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posted November 21, 2012 08:22 PM |
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Geny
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posted November 21, 2012 08:23 PM |
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I said "Benyamin Netanyahu announced". I never said that it wasn't known sometime before it.
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xerox
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posted November 21, 2012 08:44 PM |
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Problem is, last time there was a ceasefire nothing happened afterwards. Israel contiuned to settle occupied territory which I guess angered people and contributed to the end of that ceasefire.
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posted November 21, 2012 08:59 PM |
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del_diablo: I'm more afraid of conservative republicans than I am of moderate islamists.
Moderate means "Has a chance of getting elected", not "progressive party founded later than 1960 with humanist values".
Also, why would a anti monarchy party be bad?
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xerox
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posted November 21, 2012 10:25 PM |
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When you say moderate islamismm I think of the governments in the new arab democracies. They aren't really that much of a threat.
Actually Egypt being moderately islamist has probably helped creating the ceasefire since Egypt's president, Mohammed Mursi, can talk to groups like a Hamas in a different way than the US or Israel can.
you know which republicans that I refered too
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posted November 21, 2012 11:30 PM |
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There is a big difference between a country that is in a proxy chain war, and a country that is being bombed and retaliating.... a tiny tad. Just like there is a difference between a country in prosperity, and one where there is chaos and poverty. Fascism and stronger states rose from poverty, just like wishes of retaliation is breed from those suffering war.
Also, Republicans, bad? They are a moderate party as well, they could even have a blood drenched god of war in one of its many corners, and it wouldn't actually affect the party, because its moderate from a election standpoint. Of course, the rules of a 2 party state is different that from a coalition state, even if it will play out the same, with a few exceptions caused by election fluctuation.
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xerox
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posted November 22, 2012 12:10 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 00:11, 22 Nov 2012.
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actually, I think Hamas has ties to Iran so they could be considered to be part of a minor proxy war in Gaza (like the Lebanon situation was)
I'd say that the ideal conservative republican society would probably look very, very similar to the ideal islamistic society.
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posted November 22, 2012 01:24 AM |
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Edited by smithey at 01:39, 22 Nov 2012.
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There wouldn't be any religious fanatics in my secular, libertarian Sweden.
I would open a dialogue with the religous leadera and ask why the frack they are messing with us. Then all of Sweden would cooperate to stop extremism of all kind.
del_diablo: I'm more afraid of consevative republicans than I am of moderate islamists.
There are religious fanatics in your liberitarian Sweden, it was presented as a fact of the scenario, dialogue with religious leaders has given you an (obvious to most) answer, the extremist population (which accounts for 3% only) wants the entire Sweden to embrace their fanatic culture/laws/etc, no more democracy, no religious freedoms, the only solution they want is the end of Sweden as it exists and if they have to kill everybody or die themselves so be it, thats the definition of what it means to be an extreme fanatic, and all of them are in Malmo however they represent only 5% of Malmo's population... Still waiting on your solution, one that actually doesnt include "My country is a lala land where everybody is happy, rich, equal and not an extremist...
Off topic, you do realize there are towns/places within Sweden where sharia laws determine the faith of people and not the Swedish laws right ?
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posted November 22, 2012 02:02 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 02:04, 22 Nov 2012.
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You're making this to easy. I have nothing to go on here. I need to get a picture of WHY they want to remove democracy, WHY they want to destroy Sweden, WHY they are angry, WHY people agree with their ideas etc. Understanding is the key. Look, the Israel-Palestina issues are extremly complex and can't just be reduced to a criteria of "lol extremists want to nuke Israel" that's then applied to Sweden.
Shariah laws are defintely not tolerated AT ALL in Sweden and rest assure that most muslims here share no love for them. Were did you read that anyway, Fox News?
Btw, aren't there laws in Israel that favor Jews?
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posted November 22, 2012 02:03 AM |
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HAMAS has been getting its booty kicked and Israel was preparing to put boots on the ground. So, like HAMAS always does in these situations, it agreed to a ceasefire. Once it has gotten itself together it will begin shelling Israel again. Same old thing.
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xerox
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posted November 22, 2012 02:06 AM |
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maybe this time, Israel will actually make an attempt to make the ceasefire last
becuase you know, last time, expanding the settling stuff on occupied territory didn't exactly help to preserve that ceasefire
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Elodin
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posted November 22, 2012 02:13 AM |
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HAMAS is always, always, always the one to break the ceasefire.
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posted November 22, 2012 02:56 AM |
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HAMAS is not strong enough to actually break the ceasefire.
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posted November 22, 2012 03:42 AM |
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Edited by smithey at 03:46, 22 Nov 2012.
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You're making this to easy. I have nothing to go on here. I need to get a picture of WHY they want to remove democracy, WHY they want to destroy Sweden, WHY they are angry, WHY people agree with their ideas etc. Understanding is the key. Look, the Israel-Palestina issues are extremly complex and can't just be reduced to a criteria of "lol extremists want to nuke Israel" that's then applied to Sweden.
I'll paint the picture more clearly then :
God chukabunga commands that all women should be slaves, treated as possession, only food allowed to men is vegetarian food, homosexuals are to be executed on sight, The only law is the law as written by god chukabunga in the book of pingliesh (written 6000 years ago)everybody not following the good book is subhuman hence can be executed... The 3% of extreme chukabunga population follows the book the other 97% are progressive people who accept the laws of Sweden and follow just a few of the laws as written in the book of piengliesh... Fanatics want to remove democracy as its laws dont agree with the laws as written in pingliesh hence they are false laws which arent recognized by the selected few, just as the state of Sweden isnt, they will stop at nothing to make Sweden into the holy land as it was intended to be by chukabunga, even if it means killing eveybody aroun them....
They cant compromise on anything coz a religious fanatic by default cant compromise on his belief, he must follow it to the fullest extent...
They are not angry at all, they just want to live their lives as they were commanded by their lord, thats what they were created for, if you think it makes them angry you're wrong, it makes them determined in reaching their heaven...
People dont agree with their ideas, thats why they refer to them as extreme fanatics....
They all live in Malmo amongst the other 97% who are (what the western world calls normal)...
Death to our enemies or to us is their slogan, and they willnot stop untill one becomes the reality, simply coz death is not an end to them but instead a well deserved afterlife....
What is your solution to prevent the attacks coming from Malmo now that the blockade has been removed ?
Options you dont have are obviously having the blockade up again (coz Xerox Sweden is humane and all that and cant hurt the majority coz of actions of the selected few), also you cant track them down and arrest them without casualties coz they will and have been known for using the other 97% of Malmo population as human shields hence police/military action will make Malmo into a war zone..
My point is you dont comprehend the complexity of the conflict, you dont understand the mentality of the people involved, far smarter people than you (no disrespect to your IQ whatever it might be) have tried for years and failed to solve teh conflict for many years, you coming in and saying, its easy, just do A, B, C, D and its all over is just ignorant or arrogant and mostly false...
Conflicts when they are easy to solve, get solved easily, others go on for years coz sometimes there is no solution that can work, if you can provide me with the viable solution to the problem in Malmo I will without a doubt tell you, well done young man, you are brilliant, if you dont I will poke holes in your solutions untill you realize that sometimes there are no solutions coz unlike what Swedish people think not everyone in the world is interested in coexistance as sad as it sounds....
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Shariah laws are defintely not tolerated AT ALL in Sweden and rest assure that most muslims here share no love for them. Were did you read that anyway, Fox News?
Btw, aren't there laws in Israel that favor Jews?
Nope dont do fox news, but I've watched some documentary about extreme muslims in Europe, Sweden was up in there, documentary was about talking to those extreme muslims and understanding their state of mind.. quick google search produces this for example
sharia Sweden
Now as I have said in my scenario as well, there are only selected few % who are fanatics, but sometimes that is enough to hurt everyone is it not ? I know most muslims in Sweden dont want sharia laws but the fact that there are places/villages/towns where Sharia laws are in charge within Sweden is outrageous to me, think about it, Swedish village where Swedish laws arent part of the equation, where people are judged and sentenced based on laws from 4000 years ago, in Sweden !!!
There are laws in Israel that favor jews and discriminate others... how is that relevant ?
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posted November 22, 2012 01:48 PM |
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We often joke in Sweden about seperating Malmö and the landscape of Skåne from the rest of Sweden in various ways. Personally I favor nuking Skåne until it becomes an eternal wasteland which acts as a natural barrier against Denmark. Of course it is all for fun and the reason behind the jokes is that they have danish mentality in Skåne... and they talk a bit differently too. 
But seriously, do not worry about Islam in europe and especially not in Sweden. The only people that are hurt in Sweden because of Islam are muslims themselves. Thankfully swedish law does not discriminate against anyone. If a man decides to throw acid on his wife's or daughter's face, the law does not care wether he be muslim or not.
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del_diablo: I'm more afraid of consevative republicans than I am of moderate islamists.
I'd say that the ideal conservative republican society would probably look very, very similar to the ideal islamistic society.
Thankfully the only republicans we got here are very small and are only known for disliking the Swedish monarchy which makes them "part of the rebel alliance and traitors".
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posted November 22, 2012 07:41 PM |
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HAMAS is not strong enough to actually break the ceasefire.
Since when do you need to be strong to break a ceasefire? All you need to do is attack. The damage you made is irrelevant. If there's an alarm in the town and everyone has to run for shelter and interrupt their lives because you launched a rocket, then you broke the ceasefire even if the rocket fell just outside the town.
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posted November 22, 2012 08:41 PM |
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A question to all israelis here:
Lets say Hamas turned away from its current terroist activities and became a serious political entity. By doing so, it does not take responsibility for the rockets launched from gaza and frames these attacks on isolated groups or individuals.
What would israel do in such a case? Would you send an entire army or a fleet of aircraft to kill those dudes or dude who did that?
It would be quite alot more problematic if Palestine was a state
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posted November 22, 2012 08:47 PM |
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Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. As such it bears responsibility for everything that happens in its territory. Even if turns completely legit, it would still be responsible to stop the attacks that would come from Gaza. The difference would be that Israel would gladly work in co-op with Hamas to achieve this.
And if Hamas wouldn't be strong enough to control the terrorists on one hand and refuse to cooperate on the other, Israel has no problem getting troops in and taking care of things itself in order to protect its citizens as it should 6 years ago in the II Lebanon War. In that War Israel didn't fight Lebanon, but Hezbollah which is based in Lebanon.
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