Zenofex said:Well, there can be many "only if" wishes but they remain in the world of dreams if their practical application is not possible. Only if there was no poverty, no ignorance, no wars, no hatred among the people... But there are. That's the material you have to work with and to come up with the "how".
Dreaming-up is the only way. At one time Slavery was real in England and the U.S. Nearly all leaders were wealthy because of this abuse of Humanity and it was very deeply rooted. Wilberforce did not give up, he challenged the status quo and after decades...he won.
You shoot down my idea but do not supply one of your own?
I think your trash-canning my idea is what too many people are doing. "It's too big or that will never happen"
Well that's a self-fulfilling prophecy; If that's all that ever happens from everyone...yes, it will never happen. This is where "if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem" relates. Fyi, I wasted many years complaining about how things are or making lists of why ideas will not work while making no effort, not even contacting my representative.
I'd rather be a dreamer than not. Even though my idea is only a radical stab, it's still a stab and "worth something". Because, even though I will be dead soon, maybe a young heart and mind with the "fire of hope & a never-say-die-attitude" might be inspired and go-on and do some great thing. <imo> That's how things change.
Btw, yesterday I was gripping about Obama usurping Congress in planning to strike Syria, today it reads like he's changed his mind and going to the House first. Good for him but I have to wonder why the turn-around?
So wait, is Assad considered to be a good or bad guy. (From any point of view that you choose)
Quote:I am "out of the box" because I say all World-Powers should out set aside all their own stuff and unite on this one purpose, no more Hitlers and Stalins...period.
What purpose? Whose purpose? A country, just like an army is most effective when led by a single entity, whose purpose binds all others, ("The value of a whole army—a mighty host of a million men—is dependent on one man alone: such is the influence of spirit!" ) without this unifying quality a country is reduced to little more than a meaningless institution, a free for all where men serve only themselves.
The forces set against us know this, they devised a way to demonify all that is good, that is the role which Stalin and Hitler played, to taint the values that we now cast aside out of disgust when we ought to embrace them.
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Well the problem with Syria is there aren't any relatively good guys whatsoever. Going to congress was actually brilliant because Obama's best way out of this is getting downvoted. That way he has a proper excuse for not being able to act. Unless the UN investigators find something that will increase the pressure.
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Tsar-Ivor said:So wait, is Assad considered to be a good or bad guy. (From any point of view that you choose)
I have no opinion, I've no idea what is true over there. What I've talked about is changing how the WORLD deals with these endless situations.
Tsar-Ivor said:What purpose?
It should be obvious. Do you think it good that World Powers are always at each other over this stuff?
And about the one man show bit, sorry but as Lexxan says we have no good guys left. So we better keep our eyes on leaders that want to be Attila...that's means a U.S. President too.
Quote:What I've talked about is changing how the WORLD deals with these endless situations.
I know that Marky, and that question was addressed to all rather than directed at any one person.
Quote:It should be obvious.
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
This was a discussion between John Kerry(D) and Rand Paul(R) over the proposition of military intervention. The president & co. have been making a lot of calls and holding a lot of conferences over the weekend to prep up for it. It looks like the debate is splitting the party lines pretty heavily.
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artu
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posted September 04, 2013 03:47 PM
Interesting, all of Kerry's answers are based on the assumption it was Assad who used the weapons though and when asked how is he sure that the air-strike is going to prevent that from happening in the future, he just gives a pseudo-answer about a classified briefing. Rand Paul seems much more down to earth and valid.
Tsar-Ivor said:
I know that Marky, and that question was addressed to all rather than directed at any one person.
Sorry then, Zeno's negativity towards "my feeble attempt" has used up most of my posting-time & energy.
Tsar-Ivor said: Then I hope that you wouldn't mind indulging those who aren't as perceptive as you are.
Easy man, you know I'm not all-knowing and that I know it too. What is obvious(to me anyway) is where the greatest threat to the World resides; as bad as any one Man or Regime or "T-group" might be <imo> it's nothing to compare with how the World-Powers might clash...correctamundo?
To this old bag o' bones this needs top priority, since issues like the present situation in Syria are going to be even harder to address. Naturally, even addressing crisis within countries would become a little easier, if the "threat of Clashing-World-Powers" was not always in our ...news; (whatever form you munch) and THEY would work together against a common-enemy instead of fear-mongering the masses.
One thing is simple to me and that is ever since NUKES have went the way of the black-market and at the same time, Peasants have became willing to kill themselves because there future is so damnit bleak; the old World of Politics & World=Power Mongering HAS TO CHANGE.
There is no choice about that, Or, events like Syria, that have been happening now since the end of WWII, will bring in a real Global crisis and make the horror in Syria and Iraq look minor compared to a Global World War with today's TECH.
The list of this old EVENT is huge; (Castro, Khadafy, Noriega, Marcos, Hussein, Pol Pot, and many more like in the Balkans, N. Korea, Indonesia, S. America and now, all of Africa.
(that's just going by my memory.
<imo> This is why Dreamers that will stand for something are needed and it's no surprise...that they have always been needed.
Back to the current U.S. scene; I just cannot believe what McCain's became in Washington. The man was so different when he began. He's in a different prison now.
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@Markkur, I think you misunderstand me. Dreaming is OK, my point is that the real world has to be approached without sugarcoating and unrealistic expectations. Or, if you like, not what the humans should be and should do but what they are and what they do. No attempt for reform which didn't take into account the human nature has ever succeeded in the long run.
Zenofex said:@Markkur, I think you misunderstand me. Dreaming is OK, my point is that the real world has to be approached without sugarcoating and unrealistic expectations. Or, if you like, not what the humans should be and should do but what they are and what they do. No attempt for reform which didn't take into account the human nature has ever succeeded in the long run.
I guess I must misunderstand you and this did not help.
I am not talking about human nature or changing the world or denying the obvious, just like I never said the I wanted the U.S. or Democracy or The West to do anything
My idea that is desperately needed is "we the people (of the World)try to get the World-Powers to protect... we the people and stop playing at Government and risking everything in their selfish process"
You don't agree, that much I can get. Edit Sorry dude, you DO get it but think nothing can be done. And...I don't think that's an option.
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No, not "nothing can be done". Just "nothing can be done with wishful thinking". If you want read it like this - "to make the world a better place, you first need to accept that it's mostly a ****hole full of selfish, ignorant, short-sighted and apathetic people".
That's not funny. Sixty percent of the population? Are they to be chosen randomly, or is it only strangers you want to condemn to death? Do you want 60% of your family to die? Sixty percent of your friends? Sixty percent is over half of the Earth's population. If chosen randomly, you're more likely to die than to live. Do you want to die? To never experience any of the joys in life, never to see your loved ones again, never to eat your favorite foods, listen to music, play fun games, see the beauty of nature... That's to what you're condemning 60 percent of the world's population. Many of them are poor, yes, but they'd still rather live than die. You don't see them committing suicide en masse. Even people who live in bad material conditions have things they enjoy.
Sixty percent of the world's population dying would be a tragedy. And you wish for it! It's not a funny joke, if that's what it was meant to be. You're not being an entertaining iconoclast by condemning billions to death. And if you were serious, shame on you.
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Smithey
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Yes im red, choke on it !!!
posted September 10, 2013 01:57 AM
We are destroying the planet, robbing it of its resources without allowing it proper time to heal/regenerate, the only way to secure a "better world" is to eliminate a large portion of us, I feel no shame for saying the truth...
The planet isn't a being. It can't own anything. And there are so many ways to deal with the problem of energy consumption, but instead of considering them, you just think "Let's kill everyone". It tells me something about your priorities. Do you really care about human well-being, or do you just want people to die?
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Smithey
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Yes im red, choke on it !!!
posted September 10, 2013 02:12 AM
There are no energy solutions that will work as greed takes precedence over everything else, we are getting out of balance and with no balance there is no planet and no humanity. The only way to get us back on track is by eliminating the portion of the problem... We are the problem as it seems
No energy solutions? Really? Let's consider a few:
- Technological improvements that reduce consumption of limited resources. You may notice that you're not using wood to heat your house anymore. That's because better sources of energy were discovered. Currently, nuclear fission is a viable alternative - see how widely it's used in France. The obstacles to it being used elsewhere are legal restrictions supported by people who are irrationally afraid of it. Then there's solar energy, which was inefficient for many years, but is now more of a viable alternative. In the future, perhaps there'll be nuclear fusion.
- Reduced population growth. The birthrate of the native population of Western Europe is low because raising a child takes a greater investment of resources than it does in poorer countries. If you're working at a relatively high-paying job, there is a significant disincentive to quit so you can have kids. Sex education also has a part in it - if people can use birth control, such as condoms, and if abortion is available, they can prevent unwanted childbirth.
- Increased resource prices. Strengthening both of the above effects, when more of a resource can't be produced and its quantity is decreasing, its price increases. This encourages lower consumption and finding substitutes.
So, if you think that resource consumption will be a problem in the future, suggest giving more to sex education in Africa and India, and investing more in energy technology research. Giving out condoms, telling people how to use them, and improving energy production are all better than killing 60% of the world's population (I still can't believe you're serious).
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posted September 03, 2013 03:31 PM
@ artu and blizz for explaining the situation of their respective countries in this country.
