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Dave_Jame
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posted June 23, 2013 02:12 PM |
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So.
Few day back I made a Flashbane incorporal deck. With lots of incorporal creatures, few litches and vampires and just a pinch of aggresive fortune...
Symple... no big ideas behind it
No necro is not overpowerd at no point. its just a faction of its won class out of the range of others... Its too easy...
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bloucester
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posted June 23, 2013 11:19 PM |
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Today, I got my behind served to me... by kitten warriors. Two, with Mass Bloodlust and some other sweet boosts. Almost OTK...
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Dave_Jame
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posted June 23, 2013 11:23 PM |
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Kittens are fun!!:-P
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The_Polyglot
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posted June 23, 2013 11:26 PM |
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Dave_Jame
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posted June 24, 2013 06:05 AM |
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I actually play a Kitten warrior OTK and its the most fun OTK in the game imho.
Why?
Well it basically is a common stronghold OTK with all its weaknesses and downsides. Especially with all the new options you got in herold to stop them. Fortune wards, cosmical balance, all disspells and the cursed Blackskull crushers... So not an OP deck. There are just so many options to win against it.
But it also has many good things.
1: This deck needs NO rare cards, none at all. You can add them but you don't need to, if you want to win.
2: The feeling when you win. Like bloucester said. There is not much that can make you feel like "OMG I'm so bad", like when you get yourself served by the weakest creature in the game.
3: Something more valid. In the current meta, not many OTK's are played so not everybody has the proper reaction cards to stop an OTK. This means that you do have a good chance with it.
Managed to win a swiss with it. all these epic and rare cards useless and later over-runed by my kittens.
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bloucester
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posted June 24, 2013 11:38 AM |
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Kittens are not my main problem. It's Cosmic Balance; I opened 3 boxes and a dozen packs I won from Swiss tournaments without any luck...
On the other hand, I exchanged my regular Crushers (who died way too often to Pao Deathseekers) for Blackskull Goblins and this seems to work for me, I also put The Forbidden Flame in my deck. It's my only spell with a requirement of 3, so it's really conditional, but it's a nasty surprise given how many of my creatures have 7 or 8 health. Just imagine how you clear the board with it and have your Bloodfrenzied Wyvern deal 8 damage as well...
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RMZ1989
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posted June 24, 2013 12:49 PM |
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Quote:
I actually play a Kitten warrior OTK and its the most fun OTK in the game imho.
Why?
Well it basically is a common stronghold OTK with all its weaknesses and downsides. Especially with all the new options you got in herold to stop them. Fortune wards, cosmical balance, all disspells and the cursed Blackskull crushers... So not an OP deck. There are just so many options to win against it.
But it also has many good things.
1: This deck needs NO rare cards, none at all. You can add them but you don't need to, if you want to win.
2: The feeling when you win. Like bloucester said. There is not much that can make you feel like "OMG I'm so bad", like when you get yourself served by the weakest creature in the game.
3: Something more valid. In the current meta, not many OTK's are played so not everybody has the proper reaction cards to stop an OTK. This means that you do have a good chance with it.
Managed to win a swiss with it. all these epic and rare cards useless and later over-runed by my kittens.
To be honest, your deck is strong, but it is more of an Slowpoke/Control Deck than OTK, it can be OTK, but you really need to have all of the cards you need for it to be OTK. Both games you won against me weren't in an OTK fashion, they were slow, and you were constantly controlling the Board with spells and Fortunes while dealing a bit of damage with Arena and in the end with 4x Stampede.
It is cool deck indeed, first one that I encountered with those cards. 
I wonder why they don't use Stampede more, it looks like a really strong card for those kind of decks.
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bloucester
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posted June 24, 2013 12:50 PM |
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Actually they do use it 
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The_Polyglot
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posted June 24, 2013 04:17 PM |
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Who else started saving seals for the next expansion?
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Dave_Jame
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posted June 24, 2013 04:26 PM |
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I dont want to spoil your vison of the world RMZ1989 but OTK's in general wotk that way. They controle, kill, reset the board unti they have the cards they need for their combo...
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RMZ1989
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posted June 24, 2013 04:58 PM |
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I dont want to spoil your vison of the world RMZ1989 but OTK's in general wotk that way. They controle, kill, reset the board unti they have the cards they need for their combo...
As far as I know, OTK means one turn kill, literally, if you don't kill the guy in one turn, it is not really an OTK, but control/slowpoke deck.
Otherwise, there wouldn't be a point in calling it OTK, if you are constantly damaging the opponent through the game, it wouldn't be any different from any other control deck.
If I am wrong, can somebody correct me?
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Dave_Jame
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posted June 24, 2013 05:09 PM |
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So just because I used an arena or three to lower your HP to 11 its not an OTK any more? So Playing altars of destruction befor you play halls of torment or reversed is not an OTK?
This way not even the old prison would be an OTK since it worked in two rounds. Not to talk about all the time you need to get the combo and damage you could do at the start of the game.
And the only OTK would be Cyclopses and towers.
Edit:
Look at this page of the newcomer topic. I wrote the differences there
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=38932&pagenumber=2
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RMZ1989
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posted June 25, 2013 01:19 AM |
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So just because I used an arena or three to lower your HP to 11 its not an OTK any more? So Playing altars of destruction befor you play halls of torment or reversed is not an OTK?
This way not even the old prison would be an OTK since it worked in two rounds. Not to talk about all the time you need to get the combo and damage you could do at the start of the game.
And the only OTK would be Cyclopses and towers.
Edit:
Look at this page of the newcomer topic. I wrote the differences there
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=38932&pagenumber=2
There are other OTKs.
Enraged Cyclopes one is OTK, playing Altars of Destruction before Halls of Torment still is OTK if you manage to kill him in one turn(because basically it is one turn, your next turn will come only after his, but if you play 4x Altar of Destruction and 4x Halls of Torment together with Wasteland, then he will be dead in his turn, your "second" turn won't come). Same as Blackskull Warlord OTK, or Tower of Oblivion OTK.
To be honest, if that it is the definition of OTKs(what you have described in Newcomers guide), it is fine by me, but OTK still means one turn kill, and it just doesn't make any sense to call it that way if the deck isn't played like that.
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bloucester
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posted June 25, 2013 09:30 AM |
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A few new strategies I've seen (and lost to):
1. Sanctuary control with a lot of Avalanches, Wastelands and Halls of Fortune. Currently I don't see how to beat it apart from The Strength of the Sea.
2. Stronghold control with four Arenas and four Stampedes. Kat and Shaar are excellent choices.
3. Inferno sort of control with a lot of Hellfire Maniacs and Void Arbiters.
And, in case you don't know it yet, Phrias can give sweep attack to ranged units, often with devastating effect.
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bloucester
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posted June 25, 2013 09:38 AM |
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By the way, be very careful with Namtary Channeller - damage boosting spells also give them +1/1 and an Icy Weapon will give them a total of +5 damage for example.
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RMZ1989
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posted June 25, 2013 09:56 AM |
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A few new strategies I've seen (and lost to):
1. Sanctuary control with a lot of Avalanches, Wastelands and Halls of Fortune. Currently I don't see how to beat it apart from The Strength of the Sea.
2. Stronghold control with four Arenas and four Stampedes. Kat and Shaar are excellent choices.
3. Inferno sort of control with a lot of Hellfire Maniacs and Void Arbiters.
And, in case you don't know it yet, Phrias can give sweep attack to ranged units, often with devastating effect.
1) Yup, faced that one, it is devastating, he just keep delaying me with Altars of Shadows, then he play Avalanche with Throne of Renewal, plus 3x Avalanche and 4x Wasteland, and in the end he use all cards that he can, and play Tower of Oblivion, it is pretty annoying. I guess only Haven can play against this kind of deck since they can "dispel" the Fortune for very low cost, or you have to rush the hell out of it. 
2) Yeah, that is what DaveJames is playing with Shaar, pretty cool and strong deck.
3) Now that is interesting deck, since my "main" faction is Inferno, could you tell me a bit more about it? What does he do in the early game, and what is his goal with the cards? Void Arbiters are great, but they are pretty "double edge" creatures with that ability if you need extra cards.
About Phrias, I guessed that it works that way, you can probably use it on Lacerator, so it will do 3 Area Blast damage and 3 Sweep Attack damage(it should work that way to all other targets except the main one, no?).
And what my friend told me, that never crossed my mind, is that Hellfire Bloater together with Firebolt is pretty OP for creature wiping in the row.
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By the way, be very careful with Namtary Channeller - damage boosting spells also give them +1/1 and an Icy Weapon will give them a total of +5 damage for example.
Icy Weapon should give them +4, no? Since it gives +3 attack.
There are some decks that also can be used as OTKs involving Namtaru Channeler, but they are pretty hard to pull off.
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bloucester
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posted June 25, 2013 10:28 AM |
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Yes, sorry about the Icy Weapon thing, it's 3+1.
Inferno's early game is based on Bloaters, new Lacerators, earth spells to delay you (that's why Dhamiria is ideal for it, then your opponent starts discarding your cards and removing your creatures with Fireballs (+2 spell from the Void Arbiter) and the Hellfire Maniacs. The perfect play involves the unique earth spell The Might of Nature with Mass Regeneration to make your Hellfire Maniacs virtually immortal. You lose cards and can only draw one at a time.
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bloucester
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posted June 25, 2013 10:33 AM |
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Anyone interested in a Custom Tournament so we can face each other? I don't think we need a separate thread for that, though.
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RMZ1989
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posted June 25, 2013 11:12 AM |
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Yeah, never though about that card with Hellfire Maniacs, when you look at it, that is damn scary combo, I really like it! It is just a problem that dispel counters that unique spell, but even without it, deck sounds like something really crazy demonic, unique and interesting.
About the tournament, we are currently playing one, but it goes pretty slow since a lot of us don't have much time these days. You can find the information about it here: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=39026
When we are done with this one, we will probably organize next.
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bloucester
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posted June 25, 2013 04:33 PM |
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Here's where you can get all the info on the Road to Paris event:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/777538
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