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RedEmperor30
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posted October 07, 2013 06:18 PM |
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and to round off my doc session today slowpoke nergal - what a great game
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 07, 2013 06:40 PM |
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Ways how to block ammar
1: Events
Mana storm does not work. Use Blind arbiters or/amd day of sanctuary. The first will prevent his Chain casting, the second can help you prevent casting spells on his creatures
2: Spells
All kinds of disspels, earth shield or Celestial armor, Nether soul or Arcane ward are also nice things against them. (+ FWTBT and Soulreaver)
3: Creatures
Most of Ammars creatures are magicm Use Mizu-kami, if you play a Naga, put in few Moonsilk spiders if you don't.
BS crushers are also nice to hold him up. but not to stop.
4: other effects
All berserk effects are also good to limit him (Hellfire maniac, fiery weapon and Mass rage). You just have to be aple to block them all the time
5: Discard. Mills, Grants purge and/or Void rifts. Focuse on his creatures, he is useless whitout them
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RedEmperor30
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posted October 07, 2013 07:06 PM |
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this is however exactly what i am saying, sanctuary with magic immune creatures or demon - no other faction  when 1 deck needs 1 specific counter, it unbalances the whole meta - why not only then play ammar?
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 07, 2013 07:31 PM |
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So..
Sanc: Magic imune, relocate, dispell
Haven: Dispell, Protect spells,
Necro: Dark, prime, Earth
Academy: Mill, Magic res creatures,
Inf: Dark, prime, Discard
Stronghold: Magic ress, Earth, Destructive fortunes
All: BB. AoA. Moonsilk spiders, Blind arbiters, Day of sanctuary..
There are several ways to counter him
Example, he has no access to any kind of dispells, Celestial armor, Martyt, Stone shield
All OTKs should clear him good since he needs to attack, and they dont usually let him
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RedEmperor30
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posted October 07, 2013 08:50 PM |
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So..
Sanc: Magic imune, relocate, dispell
Haven: Dispell, Protect spells,
Necro: Dark, prime, Earth
Academy: Mill, Magic res creatures,
Inf: Dark, prime, Discard
Stronghold: Magic ress, Earth, Destructive fortunes
All: BB. AoA. Moonsilk spiders, Blind arbiters, Day of sanctuary..
There are several ways to counter him
Example, he has no access to any kind of dispells, Celestial armor, Martyt, Stone shield
All OTKs should clear him good since he needs to attack, and they dont usually let him
Basically otk vs otk, the worst decks in the meta, primal wont work, ice shield gives anchored, , town portal, bridge won't work
moonsilk spiders 0 attack and weakens current decks used, plus bridge easily removes spider.
Perhaps necro soul reaver, puppet etc but by lvl 6 resource chain gets locked in and u r fkd - so i see this more a delay than prevention.
once chain operational then board sweep completely, tsunami etc kills all creatures, broken brdge removes spider the end.
...this goes to once again what i said in the beginning it appears that demon is the only faction with sufficient enough control to rush, remove and dispell this ridiculous deck - my frustration is i dont want to have to play demon because i am forced to, i dont want to introduce was cards into my deck, as this weakness my deck for all other battles - i've never flamed about anything before but for real, Ammar can go and get fkd.
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 07, 2013 09:02 PM |
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Ok.. based on the fact how many Control/otk decks are out there right now. I decided to create a really funny deck. A Belias Black Curse.. Don't ask me how.. but this deck somehow work.. 3 wins out of 4 games, and one was against a Nergal Tower/Pao OTK
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RedEmperor30
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posted October 07, 2013 09:03 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Ok.. based on the fact how many Control/otk decks are out there right now. I decided to create a really funny deck. A Belias Black Curse.. Don't ask me how.. but this deck somehow work.. 3 wins out of 4 games, and one was against a Nergal Tower/Pao OTK
anything that counters any otk decks gets my vote, well done dave!! [ps dont think my flame is against you at all  ]
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 07, 2013 10:50 PM |
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Sooo.. faced my first Ammar with my "Black curse"
Result... I won with an Acknowledgement of my deck.. I'm happy
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DoubleDeck
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posted October 08, 2013 08:13 AM |
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Against braindead Ammar, I am putting 4 x Blind arbiters in every deck I use!
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RMZ1989
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posted October 08, 2013 11:43 AM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Against braindead Ammar, I am putting 4 x Blind arbiters in every deck I use!
You are not the only one, every second deck I face has at least 2 Blind Arbiters. 
If you are playing rush, it can screw you over, but if you are playing creature, or some kind of creature control, it can be good, because it can stop the rush, and it will be problem for Ammar and other slowpokes/OTKs.
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DoubleDeck
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posted October 08, 2013 01:50 PM |
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Hmmm I am a rush player, blind arbiters could hinder me....
@Dave_Jame: Cursed bound spells?
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RMZ1989
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posted October 08, 2013 02:02 PM |
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Yes, if you are playing a rush deck, better add something to the deck that can help you instead of that event.
I know that I lost 2 games as random Garant because that event was on the field, and I couldn't chain 3 Altars of Destruction + Pao/Firebolt/Inner Fire etc. which would've won me the game.
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RedEmperor30
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posted October 08, 2013 04:59 PM |
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so listen blind arbiter event, and if you have dark - cursed bound BANG!!! would like to see that in action if anyone has tried!!
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 08, 2013 05:43 PM |
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So.. just faced a Hakeem player two times
First game he won thanks to my error in the last round.
The second game was a lot more in my direction
The "quote" of the day is "Could you pleas stop milling me?" after I shadow imaged his Void Shade for the third time in those two games. This comming from a Mill deck player is priceless. He did not have any protection against his own strategy and my Black curse turned out to be an Academy killer
The game befor was against a Shaar OTK. Once he encounter my Chaos seer and Void rift he quit.
So for those who just want to pay back to all those Ammars I uploaded the deck to MMDoc.net
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/13937/
The deck is weak against rushes, and once you face Dhamiria, your dead. But any Control type of deck will curse you to oblivion.
You can change many things, Left out the Spell twisters, put exchange one moonsilk Fetters for one more Nether soul or add in more Mass rage (I would do the last two if I had the cards)
Edit:
@ Red
I could send you some replays RED.. have some games agaist Ammar blocked out by the "Black Curse"
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RMZ1989
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posted October 08, 2013 06:32 PM |
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Looks solid, but when you think about it, similar deck can be made with Ignatius, and he has a lot more chance to be played as a slowpoke and to be even better than Kal-Azaar.
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 08, 2013 06:42 PM |
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Well Ignatius does not have prime wich may mot seem impotant, but is, since you need the nether soul and Disspell (mass will not do) its is beter to use him.. I originaly used Belias
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DoubleDeck
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posted October 09, 2013 08:26 AM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Yes, if you are playing a rush deck, better add something to the deck that can help you instead of that event.
I know that I lost 2 games as random Garant because that event was on the field, and I couldn't chain 3 Altars of Destruction + Pao/Firebolt/Inner Fire etc. which would've won me the game.
Yeah my favorite hero is Randon Garant purely because of the quick farming one can do...
This is how random he is: played Jackpot last night and was on a 8 win streak on 230 telo, then lost the next 7 ended up 29 telo.....
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RMZ1989
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posted October 09, 2013 09:15 AM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 09:19, 09 Oct 2013.
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DoubleDeck said:
RMZ1989 said:
Yes, if you are playing a rush deck, better add something to the deck that can help you instead of that event.
I know that I lost 2 games as random Garant because that event was on the field, and I couldn't chain 3 Altars of Destruction + Pao/Firebolt/Inner Fire etc. which would've won me the game.
Yeah my favorite hero is Randon Garant purely because of the quick farming one can do...
This is how random he is: played Jackpot last night and was on a 8 win streak on 230 telo, then lost the next 7 ended up 29 telo.....
I know exactly how random he is , I was playing him a lot too. And had my quickest won match with him, against another random Garant, 1 min and 15 seconds.
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DoubleDeck
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posted October 09, 2013 12:50 PM |
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How many turns was that?
That's how we should determine how quick a duel is, as time based can be misleading (when opponents take forever to decide what to do - should not count!)
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 09, 2013 01:06 PM |
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The fastes game to win by bringing your oponent to 0 HP is 3rd turn (2nd player) and 4th turn (first player). Can be done only with inferno as far as I know. I actually managed it half a year back with a Grant Rush, but its more difficult now.
The goal is to play a DA as soon as you have have 2 resources. and Play Two DA's or Two Hellfire imps. (Some income boost is needed)
3rd turn you need Wild spirit or Wo mecinaries if you don't play pure DAs to boost the attack power and one or Two altars of destruction
It's easier against a magic hero
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