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EvilNuff
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posted November 05, 2013 06:10 AM |
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DoubleDeck said:
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@Nameless & EvilNuff: Sorry dudes, I think the "must have" cards for winning are becoming boring, soulreaver...wow, forbidden flame...wow what skill...seeing the same heroes, Dhamira, Ishuma, Sandal, Cass...
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Amusingly from your list, IMO, soul reaver and FF while strong aren't even components of the best decks out there. Those + crag hack are IMO, however, the top 5 heroes at the moment. (I put Dhamiria a pretty distant 5th of that group though.)
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2013 07:40 AM |
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I'd Add Ammar and Adar and CLOSE the list. Honorable mention to Zardoc and Akane (Academy, did you really ask??? xD).
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 05, 2013 08:32 AM |
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@DD
Quote:
Battle trance = 2 cost
Time of need = 7 cost
How did you manange this on turn 3?
Fallow me
Round 2(3) you have 3 resources and 2-2-2 states
First: Play Gold pile -> 4 resources
Second: Play Battle trance for 2 -> Put Time of need on top of your deck
Third: Play Alter of Whishe for 2 -> If the you meet the requirements of the top card of your deck, play it fo free (Which is 2-2-2 for time of need and we have that)
Forth: Play time of need for free -> Chose any unique card in your deck and play it for free.
Sixth: Chose and play Shi-no-shi for free -> wath the WTF face and rage of your oponent.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted November 05, 2013 09:32 AM |
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@Nameless: I'm itching to try trollgate, miss the cards for it.(both gates and fatties)
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 05, 2013 09:33 AM |
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NamelessOrder said:
I'd Add Ammar and Adar and CLOSE the list. Honorable mention to Zardoc and Akane (Academy, did you really ask??? xD).
Actually. All Academy Akane I meet were somehow underwhelming compared to Sandal and Yukiko. But a well made Sactuary Akane is a troll in her own.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted November 05, 2013 10:42 AM |
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The_Polyglot said:
@Nameless: I'm itching to try trollgate, miss the cards for it.(both gates and fatties)
As a sandal player I can tell that a good hand wrecks trollgate but it's fun, better with abyssal lords than worms imo.
Yukiko cannot play as fast as Sandal imo. Academy Akane is a really slow deck.
P.S. Take into account that I'm only 1200 elo so my opinions may not be top notch.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted November 05, 2013 11:01 AM |
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A well-executed Yuki rush can and will be faster than Sandal, done it myself many times. In fact, such a rush deck took me to 1396 ELO.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted November 05, 2013 11:12 AM |
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The_Polyglot said:
A well-executed Yuki rush can and will be faster than Sandal, done it myself many times. In fact, such a rush deck took me to 1396 ELO.
Oh well, like I said in the P.S. section, but I have yet to see a deck like yours, all Yukiko players I find (1000-1500 elo) play fortunes not spells.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted November 05, 2013 12:53 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
@DD
Quote:
Battle trance = 2 cost
Time of need = 7 cost
How did you manange this on turn 3?
Fallow me
Round 2(3) you have 3 resources and 2-2-2 states
First: Play Gold pile -> 4 resources
Second: Play Battle trance for 2 -> Put Time of need on top of your deck
Third: Play Alter of Whishe for 2 -> If the you meet the requirements of the top card of your deck, play it fo free (Which is 2-2-2 for time of need and we have that)
Forth: Play time of need for free -> Chose any unique card in your deck and play it for free.
Sixth: Chose and play Shi-no-shi for free -> wath the WTF face and rage of your oponent.
Very cool! I must say I hadn't thought of that....it's the fastest combo ever!
It's funny that Altar of wishes is on top in the graveyard....should it not be time of need?
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2013 01:28 PM |
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time of need must be top card, you must have altar in hand to complete sick combo.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted November 05, 2013 02:48 PM |
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Hehe. The fat deck was fun but had too many counters, so I kind of merged the two. Pulled off the combo in turn 4 as first player, had a DA on the field too, with opponent having wasted 2 firebolts on a Sayama Stalker. What's more, his side was empty!  Would post the screen, but it's kinda redundant.
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EvilNuff
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 05, 2013 04:35 PM |
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Adar? Really? I haven't even seen a hint of Malik over 180 telo in weeks...I don't consider it more than above average.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted November 06, 2013 06:57 AM |
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RedEmperor30 said:
time of need must be top card, you must have altar in hand to complete sick combo.
I know, but in Poly's screenshot, it's the alter that is the top card in graveyard....strange?
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted November 06, 2013 10:42 AM |
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Nah, Altar drops after the card You used it for, in my case Time of Need.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 06, 2013 10:56 AM |
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Okay, still it's the quickest way to get out a Shi-no-Shi!
@EvilNuff: I must say, been trying with Crag Hack in jackpots but cannot get higher than 170-200 telo. Yesterday I was up and down and then ended up 59 telo...damn, I really am not sure why people say Crag is great in jackpots. Ishuma just destroys him. Dhamiria is potent against him.
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted November 06, 2013 11:52 AM |
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@Evil_Nuff
I also noticed that Adar has been underperforming. I guess we can agree that he's the best from Necro.
@DD
There is quite a lot of material on Crag. I guess you should read the guide on official forum (there is lots of new content). Also many streamers play Crag (although sometimes it's hard to figure out if this is a quality streamer).
The author of CH guide made 14 videos from JP playing CH - check this out - http://www.youtube.com/user/mikedoecke?feature=watch.
I don't think that Ishuma or Dhamiria has a big advantage. Just because a hero has a counter to another hero it doesn't mean that it will be able to use it. Look at Malik vs Crag - Malik has FF, fire bolts, fire balls, Wraiths and Spitters and still loses.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 06, 2013 12:51 PM |
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Shot, I have read all that, going with 4/0/2 build as recommended, but still finding win/loss rate is 50%. Either WesleyC played against bad players, or he was just lucky. Not sure. But Crag doesn't give you stable win rate...at least I cannot see it.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted November 06, 2013 01:18 PM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Shot, I have read all that, going with 4/0/2 build as recommended, but still finding win/loss rate is 50%. Either WesleyC played against bad players, or he was just lucky. Not sure. But Crag doesn't give you stable win rate...at least I cannot see it.
Last Jackpot I've played, I was 239 TELO with Crag Hack, and didn't have time to play more so I ended up with Tier 2 reward.
He is definitely good, but you have to play him quite a lot so you could learn from your past positioning mistakes etc. And luck is huge factor with Crag, starting hand and enemy hero and their starting hand.
I played Ammar that completely destroyed me, and next one died in 4th turn.
No matter against what hero you are playing, if you start with 2-3 Dark Assassins, and there are 1-2 Mana Storms on enemies turn, there isn't much that he can do, and if you deal a lot of damage earlier in the game, it isn't sure win, but it is a lot easier when you get him in reach of your Paos/Stampedes to finish him off.
@Nameless
Well, Necro is nerfed quite a bit by nerfing Banshees and introducing grave counters while giving them almost nothing in return.
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted November 06, 2013 01:21 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
DoubleDeck said:
Shot, I have read all that, going with 4/0/2 build as recommended, but still finding win/loss rate is 50%. Either WesleyC played against bad players, or he was just lucky. Not sure. But Crag doesn't give you stable win rate...at least I cannot see it.
Last Jackpot I've played, I was 239 TELO with Crag Hack, and didn't have time to play more so I ended up with Tier 2 reward.
He is definitely good, but you have to play him quite a lot so you could learn from your past positioning mistakes etc. And luck is huge factor with Crag, starting hand and enemy hero and their starting hand.
I played Ammar that completely destroyed me, and next one died in 4th turn.
No matter against what hero you are playing, if you start with 2-3 Dark Assassins, and there are 1-2 Mana Storms on enemies turn, there isn't much that he can do, and if you deal a lot of damage earlier in the game, it isn't sure win, but it is a lot easier when you get him in reach of your Paos/Stampedes to finish him off.
@Nameless
Well, Necro is nerfed quite a bit by nerfing Banshees and introducing grave counters while giving them almost nothing in return.
Flesh was king *sob*
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted November 06, 2013 01:37 PM |
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RedEmperor30 said:
Flesh was king *sob*
Indeed, sad thing is, he just isn't good with the Banshee nerf even with the Incorporeal fix.
I've tried playing him, and it feels almost impossible to play 6-3-4 build, while 6-4-2 has a lot of counters.
Every other Necro hero feels better than him currently, I really can't believe that they nerfed Banshee with 6-3-0 requirement instead of something else...
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