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artu
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posted February 20, 2014 10:44 PM |
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Actually I was thinking about adding a (hidden) +1 morale bonus to Romanian undeads so the morale penalty will be nullified. Or making them just "unliving" without adding the "undead" ability.
IMO, that's a really bad idea. What's the point of having undead creatures if they wont have the qualifications of the undead. It would be like canceling the thunderbirds fly ability or having archers that dont shoot. Besides, the game has some standards everybody base their tactics on. The undead reduces the morale of fellow living units, you can not resurrect elementals or non-living units, fire units are immune to fire magic, etc etc... You start messing with those just because you want to put vampires -that actually dont have the qualifications of the vampires btw, which reduces them into a postcard- in a town, the whole game feels wrong and inconsistent because of one town.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted February 20, 2014 10:48 PM |
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Technically is unfeasible. Undead have no morale so you can't add a hidden +1. The erm flag "undead" nullifies any morale.
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Macron1
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posted February 21, 2014 05:45 AM |
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artu said:
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Actually I was thinking about adding a (hidden) +1 morale bonus to Romanian undeads so the morale penalty will be nullified. Or making them just "unliving" without adding the "undead" ability.
IMO, that's a really bad idea. What's the point of having undead creatures if they wont have the qualifications of the undead. It would be like canceling the thunderbirds fly ability or having archers that dont shoot. Besides, the game has some standards everybody base their tactics on. The undead reduces the morale of fellow living units, you can not resurrect elementals or non-living units, fire units are immune to fire magic, etc etc... You start messing with those just because you want to put vampires -that actually dont have the qualifications of the vampires btw, which reduces them into a postcard- in a town, the whole game feels wrong and inconsistent because of one town.
SELF_MORALE to non-undead units will easily solve your problems. Undead and living units together is a cool theme indeed.
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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
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posted February 21, 2014 10:29 AM |
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I also like the idea of mixing undead and living creatures.
Instead of giving that +1 morale (that cancels the undead penalty), since Romanian troops would have neutral morale by default, you could just make their units slighty more powerful that you had intended (so they can live up without the basic morale bonus). And the fact that they'll have negative morale if you add troops of a second town makes Romanian town also a bit more unique 
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 21, 2014 12:38 PM |
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artu said:
IMO, that's a really bad idea. What's the point of having undead creatures if they wont have the qualifications of the undead.
Salamandre said:
Technically is unfeasible. Undead have no morale so you can't add a hidden +1. The erm flag "undead" nullifies any morale.
It seems that I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't going to give undead morale, but to give them archangel's ability to add +1 morale to all other troops in your army.
I could set all Voivodes to start with basic leadership, it makes sense since they are kings.
Macron1 said:
SELF_MORALE to non-undead units will easily solve your problems.
Could you be a little more explicit?
Storm-Giant said:
I also like the idea of mixing undead and living creatures.
Instead of giving that +1 morale (that cancels the undead penalty), since Romanian troops would have neutral morale by default, you could just make their units slighty more powerful that you had intended (so they can live up without the basic morale bonus).
Yay, an excuse to make Romanian units overpowered  That could work and it would also give them a chance vs Necropolis on large maps (with the right artifact of course, let's not forget that Bone/Ghost Dragons lower enemy morale.
Storm-Giant said:
And the fact that they'll have negative morale if you add troops of a second town makes Romanian town also a bit more unique
And a little bit xenophobic 
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Macron1
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posted February 21, 2014 03:11 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 15:16, 21 Feb 2014.
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LizardWarrior said:
Could you be a little more explicit?
I mentioned VCMI ability, i don't remember how it was called in ERA/WOG.
But as i remember, Minotaurs had this ability (yes, it's always positive morale for minos).
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 21, 2014 03:46 PM |
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I don't think it could work, it'd be too overpowered.
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Storm-Giant
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posted February 21, 2014 07:13 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Yay, an excuse to make Romanian units overpowered That could work and it would also give them a chance vs Necropolis on large maps (with the right artifact of course, let's not forget that Bone/Ghost Dragons lower enemy morale.
Well, if some of your units are going to have hate undead or hate skeletons, it's not like they'll need a lot more to beat Necropolis anyways
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Hanzan
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May Sandro rule forever
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posted March 19, 2014 01:10 AM |
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Interesting topic. Like the idea here!
But if its not already a plan of yours, maybe dont use a identical vampire from Necropolis? Make it more romanian styled?
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Orzie
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posted March 19, 2014 09:01 AM |
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I guess LW's not going to create new units, but I hope that something will change in future.
As for vampires, someone who is familiar with 3D can probably recreate the H4 vampire, or even the H2 one who is anyway closer to the Romanian stereotypes of stylish Dracula.
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Macron1
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posted March 19, 2014 10:33 AM |
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Orzie said:
I guess LW's not going to create new units, but I hope that something will change in future.
As for vampires, someone who is familiar with 3D can probably recreate the H4 vampire, or even the H2 one who is anyway closer to the Romanian stereotypes of stylish Dracula.
LW already showed repainted vampires.
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Orzie
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posted March 19, 2014 10:59 AM |
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H3 vampire is ugly anyway in any form.
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 19, 2014 12:53 PM |
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Orzie said:
H3 vampire is ugly anyway in any form.
Well at least it has the Nosferatu feeling, unlike H5's and H6's ones.
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Storm-Giant
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posted March 19, 2014 03:33 PM |
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Orzie said:
H3 vampire is ugly anyway in any form.
Well, they are undead, not elves
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posted March 21, 2014 11:15 AM |
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Are you planning to make Romanian Town for VCMI version ?
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Manta
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posted March 21, 2014 06:37 PM |
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Raven33 said:
Are you planning to make Romanian Town for VCMI version ?
I really hope he does, cause that would be great.
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fred79
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posted March 21, 2014 08:13 PM |
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Orzie said:
H3 vampire is ugly anyway in any form.
lol, you think they should look like these vampires?
(insert stupid twilight vampires here)
or these?
(insert stupid vampire fan chicks)
or, this emo vampire?
(insert retarded emo vampire)
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Manta
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posted March 21, 2014 08:26 PM |
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I am so glad the H3 vampire doesn't look like those!
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted March 22, 2014 09:11 AM |
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Actually Romanian traditional vampires (strigoi) resemble more Nosferatu than Bram Stoker's Dracula, they are bald, have pale skin and are hideous (I know I made strigoi skeletons/ghosts but now don't throw rocks at me )
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Orzie
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posted March 22, 2014 09:23 AM |
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lol, you think they should look like these vampires?
Don't exaggerate. 
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