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posted May 17, 2014 10:08 PM |
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posted May 17, 2014 10:29 PM |
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posted May 17, 2014 10:48 PM |
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Apparently, discussions about norms and social construct isn't that common in the English speaking world, for I was not able to find a widely used word for it. The twoness norm is the norm that supports relationships being a monogamous and closed affair between two individuals. I oppose that norm and perceive weddings as slave trade.
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posted May 17, 2014 11:04 PM |
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Slave trade? Who's the slave the man or the woman>? (I'm a homo-skeptic)
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posted May 17, 2014 11:06 PM |
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posted May 17, 2014 11:10 PM |
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Because they're trading their slaves?
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posted May 17, 2014 11:11 PM |
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Edited by artu at 00:25, 18 May 2014.
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xerox said:
Apparently, discussions about norms and social construct isn't that common in the English speaking world, for I was not able to find a widely used word for it. The twoness norm is the norm that supports relationships being a monogamous and closed affair between two individuals. I oppose that norm and perceive weddings as slave trade.
It's okay with me if you want to discuss this (although calling weddings a slave trade sounds quite like an angsty teenager) but what's the relevance of this "twoness" you bring up? The point is, you are madly in love with someone, you don't even have to be a couple, the choice is between your genitals and her (or in your situation his) life.
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posted May 18, 2014 12:31 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 00:33, 18 May 2014.
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It's related to that because you're sacrificing your liberty to a single person, instead of rejecting the stupid socially constructed idea of one, true exclusive love. So no, you should not submit to another human being by castrating yourself.
Marriage symbolizes the submission of one individual to another. It is a sort of voluntary slavery.
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posted May 18, 2014 12:33 AM |
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What if you love everyone Xerox?
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posted May 18, 2014 12:34 AM |
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I only said, in this hypothetical situation, you are madly in love. It's you who's relating the rest of the stuff to being madly in love, not anyone else.
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posted May 18, 2014 12:42 AM |
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That's why you need a strong, personal moral code to avoid the awful consequences that those situations (mad love) might bring. In this case, I'd say that while I am in love with you, I want that love to be liberating and not coercive.
I have a hard time seeing how you could love "everyone", the same way you might fall for individuals.
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posted May 18, 2014 12:44 AM |
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xerox said:
Apparently, discussions about norms and social construct isn't that common in the English speaking world, for I was not able to find a widely used word for it. The twoness norm is the norm that supports relationships being a monogamous and closed affair between two individuals. I oppose that norm and perceive weddings as slave trade.
I don't mean to be rude Xerox, but you are far too young to be making such a claim - that a wedding is nothing more than a slave trade is taking things a bit too far.
Sure, we can call it slave trade if you are talking about a 7 year old Yemeni girl being forced into a slave marriage to a 65 year old man. Or a 15 year old African or Middle Eastern girl being married off as wife number 4 or 7 to some guy old enough to be her father (and some). Then sure, we could all understand what you meant.
But in the Western and hopefully civilized world, a marriage is often seen as the ultimate statement between a loving couple. There is nothing wrong or outdated about monogamy. In fact its a strength.
You are too young to understand this yet and that is okay. But be careful what you say. They can come back and bite you on the butt 
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posted May 18, 2014 12:51 AM |
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Why would I appreciate marriage as I grow older?
Appreciation of marriage isn't something biological that grows stronger as you age. It is a social construct, created by humans, and it is a social construct that I choose to reject because I find it constricting and comparable to slavery. Now, obviously I'm not pointing at slavery built upon aggression, but that doesn't mean monogamy is wholly voluntary either. Monogamy is such a strong norm in most societies that people either don't even consider that they could be happier without it, or just can't leave that norm without risking to face severe social sanctions.
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posted May 18, 2014 01:06 AM |
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xerox said:
I have a hard time seeing how you could love "everyone", the same way you might fall for individuals.
Let's look past the emotional in love stuff, shall we?
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posted May 18, 2014 01:10 AM |
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Where on earth do you get the impression that people would be better off without monogamy?? Why because you think so? Just because you don't care about marriage? By trying to demonize something that humans do naturally (yes naturally Xerox. Its quite natural for the majority of mankind to prefer to partner off at some point), is just self serving uber liberal hubris.
Even people who have 'played the field' for the majority of their lives, almost always end up with just one long term partner.
Sure if you think this way now, that's cool. No one is forcing you to get married or adopt a lifestyle that would upset you. But at least you have the choice.
Comparing marriage to a slave trade is ..... foolish.
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posted May 18, 2014 01:18 AM |
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WE SHALL NOT FALL FOR YOUR CATHOLIC WAYS!!
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posted May 18, 2014 01:21 AM |
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omg xerox, you really spend too much time thinking.
Sometimes it feels you have to be against everything you've grown up with just for the sake of it
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posted May 18, 2014 01:22 AM |
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I'm saying that people might be better off without monogamy because:
1. You become less dependent on a single person.
2. Which means you don't have to put up with as many demands.
3. You're likely to feel less bad if the relation ends.
and no, there's nothing "natural" about it. Having a single partner isn't a natural instinct, it's a product of society.
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posted May 18, 2014 01:24 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
omg xerox, you really spend too much time thinking.
Sometimes it feels you have to be against everything you've grown up with just for the sake of it
I've become a feminist and realized that society is full of constricting social norms and constructs that make no sense to subscribe to if you value personal liberation.
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posted May 18, 2014 01:29 AM |
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No you aren't?
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