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posted June 18, 2020 02:43 PM |
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Ukraine happened you silly goose. There were countless testimonies! Even Bolton now, he said "Ukraine was just the tip of the iceberg" Trumps motivations have been the same - his personal goals at the expense of American foreign policy and national security. It comes as NO surprise he asked Xi for help too.
My personal thoughts on why he is so friendly with Russia *disclaimer pure speculation* is that he either has some big business dealings there or he owes snowton of money to Russian banks. If he would let us see his tax returns we would know more.
It is all about Trump, it always has been.
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posted June 18, 2020 03:03 PM |
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Salamandre said:
You can add Jesus Christ to that list, I would not care more. Every leader has a cohort of prominent figures being harsh with him, you should see Macron here.
The point is not who says, but the fictions they are forced to create. Russia, Ukraine, now China. What next, Zimbabwe?
The term for this state is called Denial.
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posted June 18, 2020 03:48 PM |
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@Sal
No man, Trump is definitely different.
Every president since the 1st president has had an endless line of critics and that is nothing new and it is something every political leader should expect in advance (it is a good thing to have critics because that means the system is healthy), but Trump does some Banana Republic-style corrupt things when it comes to being re-elected or making deals. It is on a different level.
Ideally he would have been impeached and passed in the Senate already, but the 2-party system means that the GOP feels compelled to cling to their leader for the sake of survival.
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posted June 18, 2020 04:04 PM |
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They have The Lincoln Project... What can you put on the table?
Where have you been so openly critic of Pelosi?
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posted June 20, 2020 10:54 AM |
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posted June 20, 2020 11:10 AM |
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Represent "an array of ethnicities, gender identities, sexual orientations, and beliefs." Sure.
Where is the representations of beliefs, which is the only and real difference between two individuals? How many right-wing major medias? How many right-wing university professors? Right-wing speakers allowed on campuses?
Hypocrites, bend to the minority mob because it yells louder. But remember, in capitalism you go woke, you go broke, so its only a matter of time. The majority does not buy games for the "diversity", but for quality.
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posted June 20, 2020 11:29 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Hypocrites, bend to the minority mob because it yells louder. But remember, in capitalism you go woke, you go broke, so its only a matter of time. The majority does not buy games for the "diversity", but for quality.
I understand there are some ethnically sensitive topics in these games (they have always been). I assume in this case it's about things like skin color, slavery or tribalism. But to weave a story you need to at least have some references to visualize how a character in a story might look. Can someone explain to me how does one weave a story when he needs to be on the constant lookout if a character he created does not untick some boxes? For instance, it's hard to build an evil Dark Elf/Drow society without referencing to slavery?
But most of all, people really do turn into games to run from politics and harsh reality (where you must weight every word it seems). Many people say they like to play D&D (which gained a lot of popularity recently), because they like to "goof" around with friends. How can you goof around if your mind is constantly on the lookout to not be insensitive? How can you identify a bad guy in your story if he is "culturally complex" (not to mix with "soundly written")?
Oh, and by chance I learned there is a job called "sensitivity reader". So this truly is about making money...
PS: I'm bringing this up becasue D&D is an American intellectual property, and America is currently very high on "diversity" as a political subject, and many companies are seemingly doubling down on adressing the issue nowadays.
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posted June 20, 2020 11:37 AM |
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Look, almost nobody sane in his mind cares. But a microscopical minority will keep the hysteria enough for others to give up.
Let me give an example: I released last month a mod for Skyrim with 250 new perks. One of perks name was "gender fluid ingots" because it allowed metals to be transmuted in anything. It was clearly humor.
But then one guy came and posted again and again "its inappropriate, remove".
I didn't care until he wrote to Nexus direction and they sent me a warning and threatened me with permanent ban, so I had to bend, what else.
Now the name is "fluid ingots" 
He is still mad at me, but can't objectively accuse me of anything.
That's it. No matter thousands of people don't care, one idiot alone will reach his goals if he keeps trying.
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posted June 20, 2020 12:15 PM |
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Salamandre said:
That's it. No matter thousands of people don't care, one idiot alone will reach his goals if he keeps trying.
That's were you are wrong. This same exact people are on the rise now. They influence more and more parts of your life. Can you see how many irrational decisions are made rapidly to satisfy the current "insensivity issues"? The products you eat, the games you play. Many things started to be "insensitive" or exclusive, boards or managment people loose their positions to give space for more diverse cast of people who need to be elevated as part of new company strategies, supposedly not based on their abilities (I really hope that's not actually the case here), but skin color it would seem. "Not as a diversity and inclusion initiative but as a business and moral imperative" an American CEO says in mail (this is authentic, my friend showed it to me). The "good" changes cus those can't be "bad" changes right? Those can be only morally right...
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posted June 20, 2020 07:43 PM |
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... The D&D thing is more meant to address, "These people are just genetically predisposed to being evil, so you can stab them without any guilt whatsoever" that they were designed as originally. That was the base state of humanoids such as Orcs, Drow, Duergar, etc, when the game was made, and it made it hard to tell a story with moral relativism because... well. Murdering orc and drow babies in their cribs was actually a good thing in base D&D 1e, 2e, and 3.5e. The Ebberon setting and 4e started changing that by making races such as orcs, drow and gnolls into playable races, meaning that alignment started to become less firmly "always justified to murder these people on sight," but it took quite a while to have that shift.
Which was kinda messed up. Because these aren't, like, aberrant beings beyond the understanding of mortal minds (beholders, mind flayers, other aberrations) or beings composed of elemental good/law/evil/chaos energy (like celestials, demons, devils, etc,) they were mortal beings with human-like traits and personalities. Being genetically evil and having that form your society, instead of having an evil and cruel society and having that raise a harsh, backstabbing, self-serving and cruel person, meant that there was no real point to negotiating with orcs or drow or other "evil" races, because there was zero chance of redeeming them or finding a peaceful solution to deal with them.
So the base alignment shifting from being genetic to being a product of their society is actually a good one, and it isn't even a recent development (again, settings have been getting more morally reletivistic, and 4e started this trend, which 5e didn't meaningfully step away from,) Wizards is just finally saying it out loud.
Also seriously, there is 2e fluff about drow being genetically predisposed to inflicting slavery on others, which is just lazy and a less satisfying justification for them being evil... and it also makes no sense. Being a slaver, a societal construct, is not something that's chosen for with genetics. It's not something passed down in your genes. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. What the hell, 2e?
As for the racial stats, I can honestly see the argument either way. Genetics do play a role in what you will be good or bad at physically and mentally, so having stats partially determined by your race to model that is definitely understandable. But... well, you can be genetically predisposed to being a damned good runner, but if you lay around in bed all day reading and writing, you're exercising your mind (specifically intelligence) much more than you are your body (in this case, your constitution.) So while you might be better at running than your typical nerd, you'll still be worse than a dude who runs every day. Similarly, a gnome who was put into a chain gang and who never had any formal schooling would be stronger and tougher than the average gnome, but also wouldn't be able to use that big brain of theirs as well as your standard gnome. They might be smarter than your average uneducated slave, but that is a low bar to set.
So allowing every race to have a point or two of stats that they can put anywhere to represent the character's upbringing also makes sense.
Races are also more than just their stat block, they come with abilities and traits, like elven trancing meaning they don't sleep, dragonborn scales and elemental breath weapons making them dragony...born, etc, so allowing flexible stats wouldn't exactly homogenize the D&D races anyway. It would open up a few more builds if they can change their stats around, but if played right they shouldn't just feel like a different hat put onto the same boring shell.
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posted June 20, 2020 08:48 PM |
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Nah, it's more about drows having dark skin and living off slavery or orcs living in tribes (as in ethnic groups) which are no-no topics nowadays. As simple as that. And I'm for giving more depth to races like orcs, drows, gnolls or any other like mindflayers even, cus some people like to visualize themselves as those. Not all people like to play "evil" just for fun, choosing to be more complex then "smash humies" instead. Yet bringing "sensitivity" politics into the world of make-belive fictional characters is beyond me... isn't one of the points of making fictional worlds to show off alternative or debased societies for the sake of narrative?
And I'm talking about the "we need to be sensitive cus we might hurt someone's feelings" politics.
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posted June 22, 2020 06:17 PM |
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posted June 22, 2020 06:36 PM |
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Yeah but we need guns to protect us in case we are invaded by the British Empire.
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posted June 22, 2020 07:07 PM |
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blob2 said:
Because there is no longer any point in voicing my opinion on HC, I'll just leave some videos that imo don't leave much to interpret...
They'll interpret it to fit their media's agenda. See blizz's post above. There is no reaching these people on a logical level, or on any level really, and there is no chance of getting them to see reality for what it is. You cannot even realistically address them without the mods here backing them up. None of them can be reasoned with; and they have all but taken over this site.
Btw, I'll leave my post(s) from the random thoughts thread below, for posterity; and because this is quite the political issue. This was posted before I was last penalized for explaining to blizz that black jurors would know more about black criminals(hence rendering the left's whole argument regarding black incarceration as being somehow unfair to them, moot) than he would, him being just as white as i am:
fred79 said:
I'm not a rightist, but i can tell you this: the rightists are actually sane. They may be WRONG on some subjects, but they actually have common sense, and use it. The left is decent about a couple things, but the majority of their platform is straight-up deranged; simply saying they're WRONG doesn't even BEGIN to touch their insanity.
And it's not JUST their ideas that are so nuts; it's the fact that their destructive, largely anti-american ideas are everywhere; they've taken over the media(both mass, and mass online platforms), movies, video games; you name it, they have an overwhelming presence and influence, and it's spreading from country to country. Their madness is becoming LAW everywhere in the western world; and any dissenters are shunned, ostracized, and outright attacked or even killed.
and, after the penalty, the following:
fred79 said:
Stevie said:
Fred79 and Blob2 got penalized.
See what i mean, galaad?
and, the follow-up:
fred79 said:
Galaad said:
I stopped reading that thread long ago but I'm pretty sure you guys broke the CoC if you got penalized...
And it was just magically 2 people criticizing the left? Hmmmm?
While the usual suspects will try and say that this has nothing to do with politics in the U.S., i would beg to differ. The left's overbearing and controlling nature is plainly evident here; that only two people who were arguing with the left got penalized, displays plainly for anyone with sense to see, that the left are as untouchable here as they are currently in the streets, and everywhere else, of the U.S.
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posted June 22, 2020 08:13 PM |
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Maybe most of the rightists just never went outside the US except for war reasons?
Makes it difficult to argue if you have never seen "the other side"....
Still I think it is more sane than insane to be open minded, giving weaker ones their chances too and do not believe "the strongest has to survive"...
But to each their own...
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posted June 22, 2020 09:24 PM |
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What are you referring to with "the other side"?
As I've said before, I used to be a leftist myself. So if that's what you're referring to, I'm extremely well-versed on the left.
If by "weaker ones", you're alluding to somehow unprivileged blacks, then you'll have to do some research on your own to see why your thoughts on that are utterly, drastically wrong. I'm done baby-birding you guys; all the info you need to see my point(s), is everywhere; you just have to be willing to scrutinize your own beliefs. I did, which is why I'm no longer a leftist(more of a right-leaning centrist now).
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posted June 22, 2020 11:29 PM |
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He means the rest of the world, fred. That’s why he mentioned never having seen it except for war reasons.
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posted June 23, 2020 12:05 AM |
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fred79 said:
two people who broke the CoC got penalized
Fixed. Seriously.
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posted June 23, 2020 12:28 AM |
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Galaad said:
fred79 said:
two people who broke the CoC got penalized
Fixed. Seriously.
FIRST off, the post i was penalized for DIDN'T break the coc. SECOND, OTHERS POSTED LIKEWISE CONTENT AND WERE NOT PENALIZED. CLEAR AS CRYSTAL. ANYONE NOT BIASED WOULD SEE THAT.
you people are absolutely fury-inducing.
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posted June 23, 2020 12:28 AM |
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1: Black Lives Matter
2: The criminal justice system is racist
3: Defund and abolish the police
4: Radical gun reform, including buyback of handguns.
5: Abolish the military
6: Abolish prisons
7: Free mental health counseling for pornography users
Questions?
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