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posted March 16, 2016 10:19 PM |
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Minion said:
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And how is that any different from any other candidate? They are all ego maniacs trying to secure their own legacy.
There are plenty of candidates who can actually relate to people.:
Of the candidates, which one do you think actually relates to the people? Clinton, the former lawyer, senator, presidential candidate, and secretary of state? Sanders, the career politician? Cruz? Kasich? I don't even know enough about those two to care.
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posted March 16, 2016 10:26 PM |
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I don't understand this binary perspective between "next Hitler" and "just another politician." Trump is no Hitler, sure, and 2016's U.S. is certainly not 1930's Germany. But he is more of a bigot and megalomaniac than your ordinary conservative politician, in a very defining way.
One can assume some of his rhetoric is just populism aiming to tickle the conservative crowds but that kind of extremist rhetoric actually functioning as something popular should be something to consider an issue in the first place. Especially in a country basically founded on immigration.
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posted March 16, 2016 10:35 PM |
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And this was my main gripe, he's a populist, true, he's riding on the horse of illegal migrants, but he is no Hitler.
And that's one thing I'm sick of in politics, do you really think it's so easy to implement a state mandated genocide? As always one side of the spectrum is demonized because it's not progressive enough, but like we say: "By continuing making steps forward you'll eventually fall off a cliff".
So why is he the embodiment of evil while Hillary is no better? I have a far greater issue with Hillary due to her sleaziness and the fact that she is involved in grave scandals.
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posted March 16, 2016 10:39 PM |
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artu said:
One can assume some of his rhetoric is just populism aiming to tickle the conservative crowds but that kind of extremist rhetoric actually functioning as something popular should be something to consider an issue in the first place. Especially in a country basically founded on immigration.
This sort of talk and attitude has happened with every major immigration from any country that has ever come to the US, and is as American as immigration itself. The talk of foreign "invaders" has always and likely will always resonate with parts of the populace. In the end it is likely nothing will come of it and if Trump is elected his extreme policies are likely not forthcoming.
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So why is he the embodiment of evil while Hillary is no better? I have a far greater issue with Hillary due to her sleaziness and the fact that she is involved in grave scandals.
His course bigotry, ego, and outlandish ideas.
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posted March 16, 2016 10:58 PM |
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Such prejudiced analysis as in some of the above posts are all over the media, no surprise the guy rocks in polls and gets some popular support.
Trump racist? You mean, even more racist than the average American? With prisons packed with black people, unharmed black people constantly being killed by omnipotent police for an eye blink, he is just an honest representative of that society.
Trump wants to close borders to Muslims? He will be the first one from a long list to come. In the next decade, African conflicts will multiply by xxxx, due to unavoidable wars for natural resources; and then the oil will be gone, so you will have 3 billion Africans leading for US/Europe. Can we handle that? I doubt. You can continue to sing "la la la, I don't hear" until then, but someone has to start the count down.
Trump sexist? Finally, a male being proud of his testosterone, I thought that race is dead, joy. Let's swallow some vodka then burp like the true males we are 
Trump wants to kill terrorists families? Some good sense here, there is no concept of "non guilty until proven" in terrorists biblical laws. You* spent the last decade killing innocent's families, calling it "collateral damage": over half million civilians dead in Iraq by weapon or chaos, therefore I hardly can understand your shock at Trump's comment. His solution is probably fair, IF it can replace the mess you did until now.
Trump starting with 200 millions? Not every one did 4 billions when starting with 200 millions, I would say good point for him.
But anyway, all those are not qualities or flaws which matter for a presidency, IMO. Does the guy have a realistic vision on economy, how will he handle so many poor people? How will he deal with Russia and the next cold war over last resources? What he will do for the research, the education, the creation of powerful elites, build a legacy for the next generation, because this is what it takes for making a country great and in-dependent. All those things, you know, which are now dead words for us, the Europeans.
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posted March 16, 2016 11:02 PM |
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artu said:
I don't understand this binary perspective between "next Hitler" and "just another politician." Trump is no Hitler, sure, and 2016's U.S. is certainly not 1930's Germany. But he is more of a bigot and megalomaniac than your ordinary conservative politician, in a very defining way.
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posted March 16, 2016 11:08 PM |
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Trump racist? You mean, even more racist than the average American? With prisons packed with black people, unharmed black people constantly being killed by omnipotent police for an eye blink, he is just an honest representative of that society.
That is not an excuse for being racist.
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But anyway, all those are not qualities or flaws which matter for a presidency, IMO. Does the guy have a realistic vision on economy, how will he handle so many poor people? How will he deal with Russia and the next cold war over last resources? What he will do for the research, the education, the creation of powerful elites, build a legacy for the next generation, because this is what it takes for making a country great and in-dependent. All those things, you know, which are now dead words for us, the Europeans.
According to him he will know exactly what to do with these issues when he enters the White House which is a laughable answer at best and not enough for me.
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posted March 17, 2016 03:45 AM |
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for those that think your vote really counts: quoted below for when link is outdated
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RNC member: ‘Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public’
Curly Haugland, a Republican National Committee member, says the nomination process is pretty straightforward: The party, not the voters, chooses the nominee.
In an appearance on CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday morning, Haugland, a North Dakotan and current member of the RNC's Rules Committee, said that any assumption otherwise is misguided.
"That's the problem: The media has created the perception that the voters will decide the nomination," he said. He went on: "Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public, contrary to popular belief."
Technically, this is true. The nomination is decided by delegates to this summer's convention, not directly by voters. But it's probably not a terribly helpful argument to make at a time when Republican establishment types are openly talking about wresting the GOP nomination from Donald Trump at the convention. Trump has said doing so could lead to "riots."
And the RNC said in a statement to The Washington Post that those delegates must represent the voters.
"Every RNC member is entitled to have their own interpretation of the rules," RNC spokeswoman Allison Moore said. "However, the rules clearly require states to bind their delegates based off of the state’s preference vote."
It's important to note in all of this that the rules governing the convention itself are subject to change: A 112-member convention rules committee will convene at the start of the event and will be able to revise and set at least some of its own rules. Its members — one man and one woman from each state and territory — are elected by their peers. North Dakota's will not be elected until after the state convention in April.
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posted March 17, 2016 04:38 AM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
Minion said:
OmegaDestroyer said:
And how is that any different from any other candidate? They are all ego maniacs trying to secure their own legacy.
There are plenty of candidates who can actually relate to people.:
Of the candidates, which one do you think actually relates to the people? Clinton, the former lawyer, senator, presidential candidate, and secretary of state? Sanders, the career politician? Cruz? Kasich? I don't even know enough about those two to care.
Better yet, who cares? (okay, a lot of people)
We're voting for a president, not a roommate.
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posted March 17, 2016 04:49 AM |
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Hillary Clinton is extremely competent insofar as her abilities as a leader and manager, and for not having some of Benjamin Netanyahu's Donald Trump's regressive (or bigoted) ideas. I think she'll reflect her husband in many ways. The catastrophic concern with her is transparency. She's cloak-and-dagger. The Democrats can and should be able to put somebody much better as their nominee, but she has such overwhelming recognition among the public that it is what it is. Sanders is far more authentic while still having several decades in government (sorry 21st century disenfranchised public: having experience in politics is and always will be a good thing) but his ideas are very European and that will not (and has not) given him the votes he needs in the South where Hillary has stomped him hard. Like I said last page: I think he theoretically could have still won by hogging up votes elsewhere, but he needed more time to build steam and recognition.
Trump has his zealous base of supporters but the rest of the GOP hates him. I predict a low voter turn-out in the general election. Clinton is our next president.
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posted March 17, 2016 05:02 AM |
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Trump has his zealous base of supporters but the rest of the GOP hates him. I predict a low voter turn-out in the general election. Clinton is our next president.
Probably, and the thought of 4 years of listening to that shrill, silver-tongued voice of hers makes my stomach twitch.
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posted March 17, 2016 02:06 PM |
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You don't have to worry, the world will be over far sooner in a Clinton presidency.
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posted March 17, 2016 02:27 PM |
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The world isn't going to end anytime soon if either one of them gets elected. They are not the first horrible candidates and will certainly not be the last.
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posted March 17, 2016 03:29 PM |
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...They are not the first horrible candidates and will certainly not be the last.
Correction, they are the Worst horrible candidates.
I was going to bother with a long-winded tirade about the condition of U.S. politics but since my pal Bernie has been soundly snubbed, it seems there is no cure for the Corporate ownership of these United States, other than Revolution and apparently true patriots would have to fight legions of braid dead sound-bite-worshippers in the process that have not the sense to understand they are no more than the dirt under the feet of these elitist picks.
What does the Bush boys, both Clintons and Obama all have in common? Answer Harvard. And bother to look at their experience before being elected by the shadow government behind the folly of elections. Lawyers promoted to a single seat to be made President.
It will never happen but not only does the money need to be completely axed from Politics and paid upfront my tax-dollars in a system where the voters decide not only who runs for any public office but "The People" also control the entire election-process.
Had I the voice, the route to the Presidency would run like this; mayor of a city, elected representative of county, Governor or Senator of a state and then would a shot at the Oval Office be EARNED and NOT the present "circus of selection by an invisible hand" seeking the ill-equipped minion ready to serve Corporate interest.
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You know that communities are not distinguished by exceptional men. They are distinguished by the average of their citizenship. I often think of the poor man when he goes to vote: a moral unit in his lonely dignity. The deepest conviction and passion of my heart is that the common people, by which I mean all of us, are to be absolutely trusted. The peculiarity of some representatives, particularly those of the Republican party, is that when they talk about the people, they obviously do not include themselves. Now if, when you think of the people, you are not thinking about yourself, then you do not belong in America.
Woodrow Wilson when he was asked to become candidate for Gov. of New Jersey. The powerful New Jersey political machine that put him forward did not understand what they had unleashed into their world of Politics. If they did, then they were newly about collectively righting their many wrongs.
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posted March 17, 2016 03:59 PM |
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Clinton has abysmal favorability rating, 52% unfavorable. Only one person trumps this, and it is Trump himself with a whopping 62% unfavorability. So it should be a low turnout + Trump has lured in new voters. So it is very possible that he wins.
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posted March 23, 2016 01:12 AM |
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Why can't more of you be American? There are so many fun moments to talk about besides the same rote subject of foreign policy. I want to talk about Trump's comment about his penis but nobody cares.
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posted March 23, 2016 02:09 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Why can't more of you be American? There are so many fun moments to talk about besides the same rote subject of foreign policy. I want to talk about Trump's comment about his penis but nobody cares.
OMFG, tell us about it! *bats eyelashes cutely, and giggles hysterically; waiting for the juicy girl-gossip to start* 
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posted March 25, 2016 09:38 PM |
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I'm serious. From an entertainment/drama perspective, the US election has elevated to new echelons of suspense. Colbert is doing such a great job following it. We're actually going to have two candidates that both have a majority disapproval rating as the final nominees.
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posted March 25, 2016 09:44 PM |
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posted March 25, 2016 09:45 PM |
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i haven't been watching colbert. he was one of my favorite news sources; him and john stewart. since they both stepped down, i haven't been taking the time to watch them elsewhere. not sure what john's up to, and i don't watch late t.v. except on the weekends sometimes, so i don't know what steve's up to either.
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