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posted September 08, 2020 01:11 PM |
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sheer bs. the far left is the biggest threat to the populace; the far right WOULD be the biggest threat to the corrupt system IF they pulled their heads out of their asses.
why? because the far right is the most patriotic, owns nearly all the guns(the legal ones, anyway), and largely come from military backgrounds. these are militia-types, where the left are childish anarchist-types.
the establishment knows this. which is why anything pro-gun, pro-right wing, and pro-patriot is labeled in establishment media as "white supremacy".
kinda like how the left's "martyrs" are chosen as criminal scum:
keep the people divided with emotional triggers, and keep them from going after those in the rotten system.
all this left/right infighting does, is help the establishment/globalist scum.
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posted September 08, 2020 01:28 PM |
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fred79 said:
sheer bs. the far left is the biggest threat to the populace; the far right WOULD be the biggest threat to the corrupt system IF they pulled their heads out of their asses.
why? because the far right is the most patriotic, owns nearly all the guns(the legal ones, anyway), and largely come from military backgrounds. these are militia-types, where the left are childish anarchist-types.
the establishment knows this. which is why anything pro-gun, pro-right wing, and pro-patriot is labeled in establishment media as "white supremacy".
kinda like how the left's "martyrs" are chosen as criminal scum:
keep the people divided with emotional triggers, and keep them from going after those in the rotten system.
all this left/right infighting does, is help the establishment/globalist scum.
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posted September 08, 2020 04:42 PM |
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We can push the blame from one side to another, that doesn't change some things. Left agenda or not, related to activists or not, their rioting encourages entire gangs of pathology to run rampant as soon as some information about a man beaten by police hits the news.
If you have big mobs of people looting entire districts then there is something fundamentally wrong with the mentality of an entire society... even if there is a cause, or reparations or anything else, what does make "civilized" people run and loot/burn shops at the first sign of unrest?
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posted September 08, 2020 04:48 PM |
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Both far left and far right are one and the same thing in the context of situations like this, simple cannot fodder. Not sure why you so few people actually get it all the while they usually talk about it all the time - such events are neither spontaneous, nor unmanaged and those who try to control it are not far anything ideologically, at least not like the typical "far left" and "far right" commoners.
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posted September 08, 2020 05:47 PM |
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“Cannot fodder” was a pretty funny (meaningful) typo! 
No, such riots or uprisings are not always organized by masters behind the shadows. That’s conspiracy level thinking and it doesnt make any sense even if you assume it’s true, put aside how impossible it would be to manage.
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posted September 08, 2020 05:53 PM |
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No, such riots or uprisings are not always organized by masters behind the shadows. That’s conspiracy level thinking and it doesnt make any sense even if you assume it’s true, put aside how impossible it would be to manage.
It doesn't go as far as puppetmasters behind the shadows, but we had testimonies from police officers in France during riots, that they received order to not intervene. This has double benefit for a government, it can be used to dismiss a movement ("see all these rioters you can't support these people") and as well, it can be used to in a way buy social peace: no intervention no further retaliation. At least in France, but I suspect the patterns can apply to other countries.
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posted September 08, 2020 06:05 PM |
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Manipulating a situation to your benefit and directly organizing it are not the same. When you suggest “such events are not spontaneous” you clearly claim the latter.
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posted September 08, 2020 06:05 PM |
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@ blob: the people who committed nearly all(if not all) of the arson, vandalism, and violence were ghetto blacks, leftists, and anarchists. the reason the right have started reacting to it, are because the cops were told to stand down for so long, and the system was letting rioters go if they were arrested.
@ artu: if you think the entire thing wasn't orchestrated by leftist media and the establishment to divide the country any further than they have already for the past 4 years, you've got more than a few screws loose. they've been pushing for this extreme divide since before Trump. all they needed were some black criminal martyrs(not hard to find at all, they just needed to really push it during election year) to set the matches alight to ignite the left; who they had been soaking in gasoline for years.
there is no arguing this. this is fact.
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posted September 08, 2020 09:27 PM |
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@Fredmuffin: Wasn't one of the BS narraratives that it was right wing infiltrators instigating the riots or something?  I kinda lost track of all that crap myself.
There's also a livestream of the mess in portland, best bit is when the feds begin to throw what I love to call "banana ball"(for some reason, police batons in my country are called "bananas" as slang).
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posted September 08, 2020 11:05 PM |
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posted September 08, 2020 11:45 PM |
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@ kip:
leftist media and the left themselves have tried to spin this snow in all sorts of ways.
the sad thing is, their anti-establishment fighting spirit(not their execution of, certainly) is what the populace needs, but they were stupid enough to let the establishment shift the goalposts to racial unrest, as it was initially about police brutality, which is still an existing problem. they took justified rage at a corrupt system and turned it into something they could use against the populace.
ghetto blacks and bleeding heart liberals snow everything up. the states will never get back to the way they were originally, because of their violent stupidity; and because of the bootlicking right.
police aren't on the people's side; they are the jackboots of the establishment.
i absolutely despise how this entire "uprising" has played out(just like how i despised the "occupy" movement and the "tea party" movement). the majority of the populace in the states, and across the world, are too stupid, lazy, and brainwashed to take on their controllers properly. it is a failure of epic proportions on a massive scale; we may never see the kind of grit and unity that was needed when the U.S. first fought against, and won the freedom from, their oppressors.
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posted September 08, 2020 11:49 PM |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuoqaHNYp0I
I don't know it is just sad to see things like that, the corona + riots combo turns cities like Portland into some dumpster holes. And not as far as a year ago I even had an idea to travel to Pacific Northwest...
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posted September 09, 2020 07:43 AM |
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artu said:
“Cannot fodder” was a pretty funny (meaningful) typo!
No, such riots or uprisings are not always organized by masters behind the shadows. That’s conspiracy level thinking and it doesnt make any sense even if you assume it’s true, put aside how impossible it would be to manage.
You're pushing it very far just to prove an abstract point. Organized in the sense of planned for months/years and executed when the time was right is clearly not what I meant - taken advantage of on the other hand, certainly is. Riots of this kind have fundaments which are beyond deliberate organization and control, however they can certainly be used to advance a political agenda (which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the reason for the riots) and you have examples for this all over the history.
Also, just because you're ignorant about something doesn't make it a conspiracy in the sense you're using that word (too often and sometimes with no justification). Lenin being sent by the Germans to trigger revolution in Russia would have probably been the greatest conspiracy theory of the time, except that nowadays it's accepted as a historical fact. The US planning to take down a plane with its own citizens on board just to declare war in Cuba is a prime conspiracy theory material, except that it's in official declassified documents. The Ukrainian Maidan being an US-orchestrated affair was claimed to be a conspiracy theory too, until all sorts of high-ranking US officials, all the way up to Obama, admitted involvement. I think you're fully aware that what you see on the news is never the full picture and sometimes it's not even a real picture. In the case of the US riots, the Democrats made it incredibly obvious that they are using the riots to undermine Trump for the next elections (and shot themselves in the feet in perspective), while the actual, long-term, systematic reason for these riots have nothing to do with the politics of the day.
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posted September 09, 2020 10:44 AM |
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Once again, you claimed the riots themselves werent spontaneous. I do have the justification.
Yes, sometimes there are false flag ops, black ops, etc.. But I really feel too old to try to explain to you why “the planes werent fake” or “the riots arent orchestrated” or “Bill Gates didnt invent covid-19”
Germans didnt create Lenin (or the Bolseviks), they supported him. They could not (and did not) orchestrate a Russian revolution, the conditions were already there. The riots in the US are not created by some globalist mastermind using “the leftist media” to move the pawns. It is you who is making an abstract point. Nothing you claim has any concrete substance.
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posted September 09, 2020 11:08 AM |
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I actually said exactly that:
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Germans didnt create Lenin (or the Bolseviks), they supported him. They could not (and did not) orchestrate a Russian revolution, the conditions were already there. The riots in the US are not created by some globalist mastermind using “the leftist media” to move the pawns. It is you who is making an abstract point. Nothing you claim has any concrete substance.
Here's the part, if you bother with some reading comprehension:
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Organized in the sense of planned for months/years and executed when the time was right is clearly not what I meant - taken advantage of on the other hand, certainly is.
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In the case of the US riots, the Democrats made it incredibly obvious that they are using the riots to undermine Trump for the next elections (and shot themselves in the feet in perspective), while the actual, long-term, systematic reason for these riots have nothing to do with the politics of the day.
So what's your point?
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posted September 09, 2020 11:49 AM |
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What's the point of this? Everyone uses an opportunity when it presents itself, which is what is happening here, there and everywhere. Creating and orchestrating it is, what the, err, conspiracy theorists claim here.
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posted September 09, 2020 11:52 AM |
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You tell me. My point has nothing to do with "moon landings didn't happen" or "Democrats orchestrated COVID to ruin Trump". How they used it is another thing entirely where the whole "conspiracy" crap breaks, because they did use it - just like Trump is using it to his advantage to lower down medicine prices and whatnot. Same with the riots.
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posted September 09, 2020 01:33 PM |
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But it is no "point". It's a matter of course. It doesn't even say anything about the people using opportunities. The end to which opportunities are used, the agendas of the people using opportunities, THAT is of interest.
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posted September 09, 2020 03:52 PM |
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The short-term agenda is "win the next elections", that's obvious as hell. The mid- and long-term ones are much more complex than that and have nothing to do with the childish good guys vs. bad guys division which is being shoved down people's throats via surface-level events like person X getting killed by person Y or the property of person Z getting marauded by some gang - that's "the point".
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posted September 09, 2020 04:18 PM |
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Don't you think that the obvious agendas are pretty uninteresting? Sure. most of the time parties want to win elections - not always, but still. The interesting question is, what they will do if and when they win - this is obviously what people motivates to vote for a or b.
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