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artu
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posted July 10, 2016 07:19 PM |
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mvassilev
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posted July 10, 2016 07:22 PM |
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Zeno:
That's an odd criticism because there's nothing irrational about doing that. If crime pays more than honest work, that's an incentive to turn to it. Anyway, that's a case for looking into which anti-crime policies are most effective, and also to what degree poverty causes crime (as opposed to mental/social dysfunction causing both poverty and crime), because most crime isn't economically lucrative. Anyway, it's quite a leap to go from "poor people commit more crimes" to "we need a minimum wage".
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Zenofex
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posted July 10, 2016 07:37 PM |
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I'm not a fan of minimum wage but for very different reasons. The rationality assumed by the classic economists fails when an individual or an entire social group just refuses to behave in a mechanical way, not when he becomes truly irrational (although that also could happen). You cannot make a science about humans if you exclude the humans and their behaviour from it, that's ridiculous. Whatever the myriad of reasons the individuals could have to behave like they do, no theory is worthy to be called scientific if it prescribes how its subjects should behave instead of describing how they behave and drawing conclusions from that. The classic economists and the vast majority of the minimum wage opponents however do exactly that, then pretend to be on the side of enlightenment. Quite a paradox.
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posted July 10, 2016 07:38 PM |
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I think the "classic economists" who commit the errors you accuse them of exist largely in your imagination.
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Zenofex
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posted July 10, 2016 07:53 PM |
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Feel free to prove the opposite.
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Kayna
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posted July 10, 2016 07:55 PM |
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People can work under their own name and take contracts from others and accept a pay that is less than the minimum wage, no? If so, what is the problem caused by minimum wage?
It only causes a problem to big companies... and big companies can suck my ---- Yep!
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted July 10, 2016 08:31 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer
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Fox or Chicken?
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posted July 12, 2016 08:52 PM |
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Sanders finally endorsed Clinton. Feel the Bern indeed.
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posted July 15, 2016 02:57 PM |
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fred79
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posted July 15, 2016 06:25 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
Sanders finally endorsed Clinton. Feel the Bern indeed.
oh, he's gonna need some salve after this. 
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posted July 20, 2016 05:48 PM |
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted July 20, 2016 10:54 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
Sanders finally endorsed Clinton. Feel the Bern indeed.
Yeah, my wife was flabbergasted by his about-face, though I don't know what flabber is nor why it can be gasted...but maybe it fits.
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Kayna
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posted July 20, 2016 11:24 PM |
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No matter how disappointed people are in their nominee, democrats will vote democrat and republicans will vote republican. Trump managed to chase away a tiny portion of republicans and that's... quite something.
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Blizzardboy
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posted July 22, 2016 01:39 AM |
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Sanders endorsed Clinton, while Cruz chooses not to endorse Trump. Cruz is 45-years-old and is likely anticipating 2020, expecting Trump to be defeated in November and for himself to later be recognized as a principled conservative when the majority of the party decided to bed with the devil. For his own part, it's a wise decision. Trump has cannibalized the minority demographics that the Republicans already have and a later candidate to work some repairs would be sorely needed for a party that is floundering. African Americans are a lost cause for the GOP but they do have some weight with Hispanics and a lot of weight with Asians.
Sanders won't be having any second chances, but minus that, he's made it abundantly clear on the campaign trail how abhorred he is with Trump, so it's really not surprising he'd eventually throw in his support regardless of how betrayed his more rapid supporters may feel about it. Sanders is a politician - which is a good thing - and that means accepting calculated defeats. It's hard to say how many Sanders supporters will follow his lead, but him creating a rift in the Democratic party would have been devastating.
Trump losing is almost guaranteed and doesn't occupy serious thoughts for me. After the fratricidal bloodbath of the primaries the turnout among Republicans in November will be low. Very low. What is more interesting to ponder is whether he will be replaced by another demagogue or if the climax comes and passes. People like Paul Ryan are holding out through the night, but they might find themselves in a state of long-term exile and the next election devolving into a battle of Democrats versus some sort of loose, abominable conglomerate of anti-establishment woad raiders. The GOP platform has already been discarded, even if it's unofficial.
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posted July 22, 2016 02:07 AM |
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As a lifelong Texan I am convinced Cruz just destroyed his political future. Everybody welcomed him warmly onto the stage but he got booed off the stage after finishing and his breakfast with the Texas delegates went no better.
Cruz was like a suicide bomber determined to blow up the convention But he only blew himself up.
Hillary has spent many times more money than Trump (24x as much last I heard) but the race is tied. Things are looking bad for the Clinton cartel.
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posted July 22, 2016 04:03 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 04:14, 22 Jul 2016.
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23000 emails on wikileaks released, marked C
that server she had in a basement...
And the US Government hit a milestone of 50,000 bombs used in Iraq and Syria. Right around the same time they "mistakenly" killed a bunch of kids with one. If I hate anything in this world, it would be my government.
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Celfious
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posted July 22, 2016 04:15 AM |
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just a reminder that Sanders is still running
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omegadestroyer
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posted July 22, 2016 05:18 AM |
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Oh? For What?
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Celfious
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posted July 22, 2016 07:13 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 08:19, 22 Jul 2016.
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For president
And worst case senario, his supporting the democratic illegitimate front runner enables him to remain an official part of the democratic party. He can still serve on democratic committees.
I don't think independent committees have very much influence..
Let me put down an analogy. If there is a terrible day care center who puts kids at various levels of risk, and an organization tries to use the legal system to make changes but they are denied, I would rather have a good person working there rather than abandon the ****ed either way system.
Sanders has and continues to fight for the same thing - His consistent and very long track record only emphasizes how anti establishment, and for the people he is at the core. If you review what is is still saying today it is clear that he has had no changes in his stance, and fights against everything he has been already.
But this ****ed either way system I believe, put him in a moment of decision which amounts to stay with one of the two influential parties, or pack up and leave the Americans to the 1%. Sanders calls out injustice, has been fighting against it and will not cease apparently.
edit: it comes to my awareness that perhaps many of us do not know of the aftermath of this endorsement. Not only does Sanders retain over 1900 delegates but if HIllary thought she would get his supporters, well Jill Stein seems to have come up substantially enough, to indicate to the DNC they were wrong. I have little faith in green party going through, but right now the DNC should have little faith in their corporate puppet war criminal Hillary. Do they share this news on the sheep feed? meh.. Did the news mention this increase to her support?
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Celfious
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posted July 23, 2016 05:22 AM |
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DNC Schedule
I am pretty much braced even though Clinton and the DNC are busted out wide open as deceitful oppressors against the country men and women. One main difference between now and back then, is the blue coats had full capability to arm them selves equivalently, and its a more difficult to transport over seas ontop of long waits for communication.
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