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DarkLord
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posted September 14, 2014 05:48 AM |
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Seems like Academy is more towards "good" rather than anything else
Not as goody-good as haven, but still..
wouldn't even call them neutral
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lokdron
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posted September 14, 2014 06:24 AM |
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Edited by lokdron at 06:30, 14 Sep 2014.
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DarkLord said:
Seems like Academy is more towards "good" rather than anything else
Not as goody-good as haven, but still..
wouldn't even call them neutral
Er they are pretty neutral to me they created orcs injected people with demon blood and then threw these warrior slaves into battle. Then when said battle was done they enslaved them as "servants" for a period of time. Plus their whole lynching and war campaign with the necromancers because they were jealous of their power.
These actions caused people to sympathize with the necromancers because largely the necromancers were minding their own business. Most of the time going out when an eclipse hits since they hate demons the most.
Academy renamed their country because they messed up so much. I would say they are pretty neutral they got good and bad eggs.
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Avonu
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posted September 14, 2014 10:41 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 10:54, 14 Sep 2014.
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lokdron said:
These actions caused people to sympathize with the necromancers because largely the necromancers were minding their own business. Most of the time going out when an eclipse hits since they hate demons the most.
Necromancers have their part in defeating Orc Rebellion - they used their undead armies to crush Orc forces and drive them from Seven Cities.
Only Free Cities and Nagas helped Orcs in their escape from slavery.
Wizard become selfish and arrogant some time before Fourth Eclipse and this become thier fall. Necromacers attacked their land (after they were exiled to Heresh during civil war) and started War of the Broken Staff. After it has ended, Wizards learned their lesson about proper behavior as you can see in Zehir exampe (yet his father was from "old school").
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DarkLord
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posted September 14, 2014 04:27 PM |
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In that case Haven is neutral faction as well
with all the duchies fighting each other for power hard to call them "good" faction
so it means that the only one that suits for proper good faction is Sylvan?
in my opinion if we dont go into deep details(like not so good or not that evil, neutral leaning towards any of them) and divide factions very roughly into 2 categories "good" and "bad" this would be
> GOOD > Haven, Sylvan, Academy, Fortress, Sanctuary
> BAD > Inferno, Necropolis, Dungeon, Stronghold
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Sandro400
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posted September 14, 2014 05:35 PM |
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Avonu said:
lokdron said:
Only Free Cities and Nagas helped Orcs in their escape from slavery.
Also Queen Tuidhana. Just saying.
I think that what Ashan did well, it's faction portrayal. I can't point to the one and say it's good or bad.
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lokdron
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posted September 14, 2014 05:57 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 17:59, 14 Sep 2014.
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Sandro400 said:
Avonu said:
lokdron said:
Only Free Cities and Nagas helped Orcs in their escape from slavery.
Also Queen Tuidhana. Just saying.
I think that what Ashan did well, it's faction portrayal. I can't point to the one and say it's good or bad.
Eh that's what I personally like about it none of the factions are clear cut bad guys. Well inferno are pretty bad but you don't have to freedom of choice and all that.
Edit: Yeah Zehir is trying to fix the mistakes of the past hence why at this moment they renamed their country to show how they screwed up.
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Galaad
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posted September 15, 2014 01:02 AM |
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DarkLord said:
> GOOD > Haven, Sylvan, Academy, Fortress, Sanctuary
> BAD > Inferno, Necropolis, Dungeon, Stronghold
In my world it would be :
GOOD : Haven, Sylvan, Sanctuary
BAD : Inferno, Necro, Dungeon
NEUTRAL : Fortress, Academy, Stronghold
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Danny
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posted November 15, 2014 10:44 AM |
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Academy discussion can be reinstated here as we're getting the official confirmation of the lineup next week.
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Pawek_13
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posted November 16, 2014 09:57 AM |
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Galaad said:
DarkLord said:
> GOOD > Haven, Sylvan, Academy, Fortress, Sanctuary
> BAD > Inferno, Necropolis, Dungeon, Stronghold
In my world it would be :
GOOD : Haven, Sylvan, Sanctuary
BAD : Inferno, Necro, Dungeon
NEUTRAL : Fortress, Academy, Stronghold
I think I would replace Fortress with Sanvtuary. After a failed mutiny against Eternal Empress they closed their borders and stopped having any diplomatic relationship with other factions (maybe excluding Orcs from Pao Islands). Therefore they are the only true neutral faction.
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Kimarous
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posted November 16, 2014 10:12 AM |
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Edited by Kimarous at 10:14, 16 Nov 2014.
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Pawek_13 said:
Galaad said:
DarkLord said:
> GOOD > Haven, Sylvan, Academy, Fortress, Sanctuary
> BAD > Inferno, Necropolis, Dungeon, Stronghold
In my world it would be :
GOOD : Haven, Sylvan, Sanctuary
BAD : Inferno, Necro, Dungeon
NEUTRAL : Fortress, Academy, Stronghold
I think I would replace Fortress with Sanvtuary. After a failed mutiny against Eternal Empress they closed their borders and stopped having any diplomatic relationship with other factions (maybe excluding Orcs from Pao Islands). Therefore they are the only true neutral faction.
I thought the hierarchy was more along the lines of:
GOOD: Haven, Sylvan
BAD: Inferno
NEUTRAL: Everyone else
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Danny
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posted November 16, 2014 10:18 AM |
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^Yeah that is more like it. In H6 Dungeon was definitely not evil and Necropolis was only evil when Sandro leads it...
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Kimarous
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posted November 16, 2014 10:26 AM |
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Danny said:
^Yeah that is more like it. In H6 Dungeon was definitely not evil and Necropolis was only evil when Sandro leads it...
Well, him and Markal. He was one of his students, after all.
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Gryphs
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posted November 16, 2014 10:37 AM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 10:37, 16 Nov 2014.
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I am not sure you could call Haven completely good. They have acted rather uneighborly on a few occasions.
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Pawek_13
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posted November 16, 2014 12:58 PM |
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Looking at it that way, all factions are neutral, even Inferno. Not all demons want to conquer the world (like Kiril), don't they?
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kiryu133
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posted November 16, 2014 01:45 PM |
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I get the feeling it's more
EVIL:Inferno
NEUTRAL-LEANING-TOWARDS-GOOD: everyone else
Seriously, Ubi seems to have a fetish for trying to make everyone sympathetic in some way or another, even they kill innocents for soldiers.
or am i completely wrong here? 
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Elvin
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posted November 16, 2014 02:16 PM |
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Not even dungeon has escaped that fate 
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Galaad
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posted November 16, 2014 03:29 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:29, 16 Nov 2014.
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Pawek_13 said:
Galaad said:
GOOD : Haven, Sylvan, Sanctuary
BAD : Inferno, Necro, Dungeon
NEUTRAL : Fortress, Academy, Stronghold
I think I would replace Fortress with Sanvtuary.
Actually I agree to switch those. Indeed Dwarves are opposed to the Dark Elves IIRC, and I have actually no problem at all seeing Sanctuary as neutral.
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Protolisk
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posted November 16, 2014 06:10 PM |
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Since H5/H6, I've seen that it's not really "This whole faction is good, this whole faction is bad, this whole faction is neutral" where it's more like "This particular person leading this group? He's good. Oh, but that lady over there? She's evil. And that guy there? He's neutral. And that queen over there? She's incompetent."
H3 really like the idea of "This whole faction is filled with good people, except that guy, the traitor, and thus he's the exception that proves the rule", where H4 started to blend the lines a bit (mostly because the campaigns were mostly "faction civil wars", so one side was typically good, the other evil).
I found it particularly strange that during H5, for those weeks where whole factions got a buff, Stronghold was considered an "evil" faction. I found it strange because while I was playing it, most of the characters I can remember having a large part in the story were pretty nice people with good intentions. I knew it was for game play balance (5 factions getting the "good" buff would have outweighed the 3 getting the "evil" buff.)
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Elvin
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posted November 16, 2014 09:28 PM |
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It goes a little beyond their leaders though. For every good thing in a race there seems to be a bad thing. The oh so wise nagas are waging war amongst themselves because.. tradition. Elves commiting genocide. Haven being way judgemental, the light this and the light that. Dwarves being overtly political, to the point that one individual can cause a rift between century old relations. I have to admit that some of those annoy me.
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kiryu133
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posted November 16, 2014 10:08 PM |
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all this mushy uncertainty would be fine if we had something to compare to, but all we have right now is the same: overall neutral/grey factions with a couple of extremists. they're all the same and that makes the whole thing so extremely boring and, well, grey. as in lack of any colour.
what we need is some variety: make a faction good and one evil at least. then we'd have something to compare with. and no, homicidal maniacs don't count, inferno. personally, i vote necro for evil and Sylvan for good (if we get the "nature first" theme back). Of course, haven is also a contender for the "good" factions, though we've seen how angels are no longer a force of unquestionable good but rather just dull extremists as well.
geez, ubi. Suck out all the fun, will ya?
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