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lokdron
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posted August 18, 2014 06:41 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 18:59, 18 Aug 2014.
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Considering the nature and motto of Academy they are grey. As many people say they are For Science! Kind of folk, I am agreement with Esvath that they are neutral. Some even going as far as sandro or others doing ethical research.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted August 19, 2014 09:15 AM |
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fred79 said:
it all goes back to christianity and the bible. christians say only god can resurrect. if somebody else does it, it's blasphemy. hence necromancers. i prefer that version of necromancy; it shouldn't be tampered with. hypocritical, i know. 
I wouldn't call raising an Undead to be the equivalent of resurrection . Only silly girls called Isabel will think it's the same .
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 19, 2014 09:36 AM |
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Academy is basically the same as Humans - a union of different houses with different focus that is fighting for power with each other, but would face an outward enemy unified.
They have created a lot of strange life, have mixed Urgash's breed with Asha's, creating the Orcs, and "invented" (or discovered) Necromancy, so they ARE mad scientists -
- and as such they are WAY WAY nearer to Urgash then to Asha: Urgash would rejoice seeing all those strange beasts and creations and should follow their lead to create some more horrendous creatures, like, for example the Scylla: fit for Sheogh
Academy is unscrupulous, a whole society of Dr. Frankensteins.
Of course, there can be more responsible and more irresponsible types here.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 19, 2014 10:08 AM |
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None of the factions are good anymore. We have enslaving wizards, genocidal(!) elves, fanatically zealous humans. I guess the dwarves were "good" in their way of not meddling, but most of their history is unknown anyways. Who knows what horrors they have done
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Hadji020
Adventuring Hero
The Underestimated
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posted August 19, 2014 11:22 AM |
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Academy represents corruption while feigning justice and freedom. Many real life examples exist 
It's the worst kind of society imo.
Their faction, Order, is based on a balance between good and evil, like Ying Yang etc. That's why they are allied with Death.
While Ying-Yang may indeed be what the world (the real one and the HOMM one) represents, imo, good does not need evil. Good can exist by itself, evil is a parasite that needs good to corrupt. Without good, evil would corrupt and consume itself.
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Fal-Parsi
Hired Hero
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posted August 19, 2014 01:55 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Individual characters-wizards can be evil but the faction as a whole is not, since it's goal is not to acquire world dominance or the world's destruction.
Why would it be an evil goal?
Ashan should be annihilated, and a new heaven and a new earth created.
Seriously, I don't see why a faction devoted to the end of the cycle of misery, eternal slavery and demonic invasions would necessarily be evil. In fact, I think it would be a really interesting faction of holy men from all races. Kinda the Grail Order of Mainländer.
As for the goodness or evilness of the current Academy, we know for sure Ubi is obsessed with the shades of gray thing. A concept which years ago could be interesting, but now is quite exploited, and not very well... so mages pursue their own goals (mainly, a quest for power and knowledge), which sometimes match what's right and sometimes not.
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VOKIALBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted August 19, 2014 02:17 PM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 14:20, 19 Aug 2014.
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I like how wizards are actually same as necro's. They both are smart magicians who seek more and more knowledge and there is always someone who is ready to cross the barrier in the name of science/egoism. As there are wizards who use their magic and science for good purposes, there are wizards who do evil - you already pointed to some of their evil deeds. There are necros who act evil, trying to crush empires and races, and etc, but some just obey their spider goddess and keep the balance of the world.
Lets say we have Arantier and etc... who isn't really evil.
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted August 19, 2014 03:11 PM |
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Neither Wizards and Necro are particularly good or evil.
I think the main difference between the two factions is that the Necromancers worship the balance between life and death in the forme of the Dragon Asha, and try to not disturb the natural flow of things. They try to seek the Truest Form of Life in the post-mortem, by turning undead, the combination of life and death.
The wizards don't care about balancing life and death, instead they try to improve whatever life already exists through experiments. They do not worship. They trust in their own knowledge and ability and try to improve themselves and others. They play and tamper with the fabrics of life.
Neither faction is "evil". In HoMM games, Necropolis is traditionally evil and Academy traditionally good, but Ashan is a murky wasteland of different shades of grey. Vokial is essentially right that Academy and Necro are almost the same. They are.
Academy and Necropolis are two introvert communities with a common goal (reaching the truest for of life) and opposing methods (artifice and undeath respectively), who would rather keep to themselves most of the time. They can serve as both forces of evil and good, depending on the context.
For the purpose of this game, it's hard to say if Academy will be evil, but it seems like they won't be. They are councillors to the main character, after all. Same applies to the Necropolis.
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Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted August 19, 2014 08:19 PM |
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I really see academy as one of the truest neutral factions. They have some good and some evil wizards, but as a whole their society is not dedicated to protecting or healing, nor conquering and subjugating. They want knowledge for knowledge sake. They don't have much of a political doctrine to speak of, they are very individualistic the way I see them. I think that if you were to approach a master wizard he might easily have treebeards stance -- "I am on no ones side, because no one is on my side". I could see many wizards taking an isolationist approach, sticking to their studies and scrolls, not caring about things that don't affect them.
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CyrusTheGreat
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 20, 2014 11:13 AM |
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There are always a gang of crazy nerds in fantasy games,like Izzet(MTG),academy(HOMM),some high elves and orc warlocks(WOW),and so on.
The neutral treatment makes them can turn to not only justice but also evil.
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Dwarfurious
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 21, 2014 11:08 PM |
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Wizard guy was pretty evil in Clash of Heroes. I thought Necromancers are Neutral, they dont seek to "take life from everyone" but have a balance... Although death knights are probably evil, they kill and kill and kill until something can stop them. "If death were truly evil, it would only claim the righteous"
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 22, 2014 09:13 PM |
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I really doubt it, because it would be too good to be true.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted August 25, 2014 01:54 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 13:57, 25 Aug 2014.
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Lexxan said:
Necromancers worship the balance between life and death in the forme of the Dragon Asha, and try to not disturb the natural flow of things. They try to seek the Truest Form of Life in the post-mortem, by turning undead, the combination of life and death.
they are failing terribly if they are actually trying to not disturb the natural balance between life and death, when they ressurect stuff
to the issue here, academy was seen arrogant and got punished by the "evil" necromancers, and the purpose does not justify the means. meaning that they did immoral things to living stuff, hence evil, but in this game the lady wizard is pretteh so they will be most good.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2014 08:38 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Lexxan said:
Necromancers worship the balance between life and death in the forme of the Dragon Asha, and try to not disturb the natural flow of things. They try to seek the Truest Form of Life in the post-mortem, by turning undead, the combination of life and death.
they are failing terribly if they are actually trying to not disturb the natural balance between life and death, when they ressurect stuff
to the issue here, academy was seen arrogant and got punished by the "evil" necromancers, and the purpose does not justify the means. meaning that they did immoral things to living stuff, hence evil, but in this game the lady wizard is pretteh so they will be most good.
Necromancy does not work that way in Ashan. The spirit passes on and then they are Reincarnated thanks to Asha and her cycle of life and death the bodies left behind are just "shells" so to speak.
Of course not everyone thinks that way but the necromancers themselves are made into a "special" undead by drinking the venom of the mother Namtaru the avatar of asha. Hence why they are undead but their spirit is still attached to their body. Still because of what academy did to necropolis they have a lot of sympathizers, considering the fact that necropolis is also out in force always when it comes to eclipses. Since they hate the demons the most out of any faction.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted August 30, 2014 08:00 AM |
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Inspired by the Angel thread, I was wondering whether the Academy mount will be the same as H5, would be really cool! 
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VOKIALBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted August 30, 2014 08:23 AM |
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I pref to see them on horses or chariot. In H5 the wizards were looking like lazy fat guys who overdo with the smoking.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted August 30, 2014 08:49 AM |
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Wasn't the academy hero in the demo movie riding a horse?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 30, 2014 08:53 AM |
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Yes, he was:
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted August 30, 2014 10:03 AM |
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^Ah, I missed that, thanks! I preferred the elephant though.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 11:36 AM |
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Well the leaked Academy theme has elements similar to Necropolis H6 theme so it further adds to this subject...
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