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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted January 10, 2015 11:21 AM |
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I think the best place for it would be on the top of hill behind capitol... but with current town screen it would be not visible (at least not all - maybe legs  ).
Also placing town portal inside city walls is stupid idea from tactical point of view:
- Master, why we built city walls if we put town portal near our city hall? Enemy doesn't have to besiege us, he can walk right into center of city and pillage it.
- Don't worry, I'm sure no one will use portal that way.
Enemy army appears through town portal. (see Gamescom video and Academy town battle)
So putting it beyond your city walls is a good idea... from tactical point of view.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 10, 2015 11:52 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:00, 10 Jan 2015.
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Lawmaker said:
Well so here is a small thing i just cooked up. Using all the feedbacks form you guys, i decided to see what i can improve. I am no photoshop expert(lol heck i got photoshop just so that i can change the TS) So dont expect a super drastic change. What do you guys think?
http://postimg.org/image/mggrkob41/
Just need to tone down colors, but great work dude ! 
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lawmaker
Hired Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 12:18 PM |
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Some people like the lighting of the city. That's why I left it like it is. The same reason goes for the statue. In all heroes games, haven grail structure is usually a large statue, but not bigger than the whole city. So I left it and just resized it.
I think town portals are only used by your town folks as every hero's town portal spell only sends him to their towns and not the enemies towns. Hence why its in the walls and not outside. Imagine if the city was under siege and reinforcements try to get in to help. Lol they will be killed one by one if the TP was outside of the town....so that.
BTW I removed the names cause I feel like the buildings need to be renamed. The cathedral can now be any of the buildings within the city walls. Btw added people too just for the heck of it.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 10, 2015 12:33 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:36, 10 Jan 2015.
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There I did put my filters on top of your EXCELLENT work Lawmaker, what do you think of it ?
Without my filters (original Lawmaker)
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted January 10, 2015 12:34 PM |
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yeah, colours are needed 
just looks dull and dreary without them
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted January 10, 2015 12:45 PM |
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Gallad:
The grey version looks fantastic! It fits the style of Wolf Duchy much better than the flashy, vivid version. A really good job. 
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 12:51 PM |
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depends ... is the day sunny or cloudy ? 
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lawmaker
Hired Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 01:17 PM |
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Its actually really better with the filter on and it does fit the wolf duchy it feels as if a cloud just blocked the sun. Imagine here in snow....sweet
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 01:31 PM |
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That looks SO MUCH BETTER!
+ QP for lawmaker.
I hope the developers will take notice of this. Shouldn't be that hard when people can do these sort of things in Photoshop so fast.
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Over himself, over his own
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted January 10, 2015 01:49 PM |
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Some excellent work there! It feels so much more like a town in this version. Now let's hope this will inspire the original artists to improve it.
What's also interesting is that, when I compare it to the original, it makes the original version seem unfinished.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 02:57 PM |
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what sun dosen't ever shine on wolf duchy?
Don't get me wrong, I like this version as i said, but to me "gloomy and dark" and brown-ish + grey-ish colour in middle ages to me seems a bit cliche . Personaly, I like the colourful version more.
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Lawmaker
Hired Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 03:01 PM |
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Well it is just a concept art. Reminds me of Homm5's concept arts. They where bright as well. But the actual TS wasn't as vivid. Well tbh it was both, depending on the rotation
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 05:00 PM |
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This doesn't work for me. It's an improvement somewhat, but it just outlines the other problems of the town. There's no city planing, no inside dirt roads or paved roads, and buildings are still not intuitive enough in design or placement. Basically, everything in the middle of the picture is an entire mess.
One thing I like is the atmosphere. Those mountains in the back, the hills, the river, I like them. But the lighting manages to ruin it somehow, too bright and shiny.
Another thing, maybe a snow setting would've been better. Just an idea.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted January 10, 2015 05:04 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 17:06, 10 Jan 2015.
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There is a difference between dark and colourless. it doesn't show here. i'm with the notion of just adding snow instead of just removing the colours. fit's with the wolf duchy and doesn't make the entire screen look dull and nauseating. otherwise it's great(er)! obviously shopped but without a doubt an improvement with the wall stretching around an actual town and military/civic buildings on the central hill. great! just, please, don't remove the strong colours. it's the only thing keeping the town alive atm...
EDIT: also, what happened to the gate in the clouds for the angels? so much better than a random building on a floating island (at ground-level)...
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 05:35 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 18:22, 10 Jan 2015.
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Great work Lawmaker and Galaad!
walls in horizon, better houses in background, smaller grail, angelic building on higher-proper place, fixed enterance between stairs and the bridge... definetly improved town screen here. some towers in distant walls may improve this more. also you can use some farm fields to enchant some houses and create a clearer view. streets, the walking experience should also be reworked, walking on grass doesnt seem right. maybe grey ground lines to create street?
i have one advise on colors topic, it doesnt need filter, it needs contrast!
sharp shades and some sharp sunny facade! stronger blacks! stronger lights! both of them to use in details. this way buildings and perspective may shine even far better. im not sure how it can be done with pc programs, but i think a hand drawn version can show this really good.
btw what avonu said makes more sense:
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"I think the best place for it would be on the top of hill behind capitol..."
because, this way even if it feels right, it stays outside of town, we need it inside... as a glourious statue-like-building on top, just behind capitol.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted January 10, 2015 07:17 PM |
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So apart from the weirdness of the Transept that's been displaced to the top of the mountain (?) I think it is a good improvement on the current version, particularly with Galaad's added filters, which really gives an atmosphere that fits the current Haven a lot better. I like the continued walls and civilian buildings a lot.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Stevie said:
This doesn't work for me. It's an improvement somewhat, but it just outlines the other problems of the town. There's no city planing, no inside dirt roads or paved roads, and buildings are still not intuitive enough in design or placement. Basically, everything in the middle of the picture is an entire mess.
Here you go:
Some buildings are missing sure ... but i think you will find this much more satisfactory 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 07:38 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 20:11, 10 Jan 2015.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 07:55 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 19:56, 10 Jan 2015.
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i try hard, but i cant think positive about this yellow pokemon...
maybe the best way is going to 0 to make new ts. so many flaws with current. streets, planning... it is challenging.
camera view should be higher... close to isometric... this latest image is a great example.
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Lawmaker
Hired Hero
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posted January 10, 2015 08:20 PM |
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Dont forget it is still a work in progress. If we are lucky enough and if the devs are listening, they will change it before they implement it
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