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Wellplay
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Poland Stronk
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posted October 08, 2014 06:31 PM |
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EPICUSDOOMICUS said:
Wellplay said:
Devils return confirmed.
And possibly Breeders, as they are at least mentioned.
I am a Dungeon voter but, if Inferno wins, I only have one thing to say:
"Give me my Breeders back!!grrrrrr ....".
I also voted Dungeon, but i would rather see Devils back if they win instead of breeders.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 08, 2014 06:35 PM |
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I wouldn't say 100% confirmed as of yet. Remember Marhinz words about troglodytes.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 08, 2014 06:35 PM |
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If devils return I want them to look less like goat mountains and more like Tim Curry.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted October 08, 2014 07:39 PM |
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Avirosb said:
If devils return I want them to look less like goat mountains and more like Tim Curry.
I would also like the Tim Curry look but now that you mention it a Devil that looks like a mountain made of goats sounds interesting as well.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 08, 2014 07:41 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Biologically speaking, they're all just Elves, only in different factions. And the Sea Elves are not even that, they're vagrants.
It's the same as Humans: you have Humans in Haven, Academy, and Necropolis. Not to mention the Free Cities.
IMHO elves aren't very different from humans, they are just humans with pointy ears, as you said there are humans in haven, academy and necropolis, putting 2 other factions with similar races (in terms of appearance) seems rather dull, I'd rather just use humans instead. But that's just my opinion, other people may like it and find it intriguing 
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 07:42 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 19:44, 08 Oct 2014.
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Again, nice article. well written. also i guess you read the critisicm, because second article, inferno one looks more informative, thank you for that Marzhin. both informative and enjoyable read.
i will first post about gameplay-line-up wise, then post for second time to comment on lore.
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"If the mere intimidating presence of their army isn’t enough, they’ll use every trick at their disposal – mind control, shape-shifting, fear spells, and so on"
this really made me excited. but article also mentions of gating, im a bit confused. shape-shift as a creature ability? as a spell? or as a faction ability?
Also this fear spells, mind control things made me wonder if they are originatin from fire magic or dark magic? My guess was to have some kind of different expertise fields with Dungeon and Inferno, but they both seem like casting dark magic, which makes me confused... again.
"Ranged attacks and attacks from above come next. Only then, once the enemy has been sufficiently softened up, will the demonic forces charge."
Signes of an Abyssal Worm, traveling underground and attacking below is my best guess. I'm happy to read that, inferno get what they need, they were already weak in armor-wise defence. They needed this "Attack from above + Ranged attack" formula. I feel that we may finally get to see a powerful Inferno now, for the first time in series.
"...Their arrows are designed to be impossible to pull out, and their swords do more damage coming out than going in..."
Some crafted-weapon in army? Another exciting new! Only Pit Fiends had one of those steel weapons in h6, with arrow and sword i assume at least 2 units now.
" ...Hellhounds..."
"Pit Fiends are Demons of Hate. The sickening Breeders are Demons of Proliferation. And so on. The most powerful warriors of the infernal armies are known as Arch-Demons."
This where i fall in love. Awesome. I wonder how charismatic Arch-Demons will be 
Succubus here again, as we expected. Also anyone noticed the flying creature in image? Looks more impressive than a Imp to me. Maybe Abyssal Drake or something like that?
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 07:50 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 19:59, 08 Oct 2014.
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Going butthurt mode
I wonder how many people actually read the text considering the amount of dungeon supporters(not all are like this) me and other people had to correct that dungeon or inferno are not going to be on the council?
Or that inferno will make no sense on the council? I think next time they should simply post concept pictures more than lore considering the amount of people who can't read short paragraphs. I simply feel this voting is down right bloody unfair considering the sheer odds stacked against one faction.
Its the same thing that happened with fortress and its happening again here. No matter what I say of anyone says. Inferno is always going to be the "Orange blob" or one dimensional bad guys or the faction that has no character what so ever. No matter how many wall's of text we post as well nothing at all. Not even the fact that we are getting a fresh story with inferno nothing is working.
You know what when fortress and inferno comes in an expansion if it ever comes I hope their stories blow people away so they can eat their words.
Ok I am done now I feel better now.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted October 08, 2014 08:10 PM |
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Maybe you should just accept other peoples opinions and preferences aka Deal with it 
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:15 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 20:16, 08 Oct 2014.
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blizz said:
Maybe you should just accept other peoples opinions and preferences aka Deal with it
Of course I can accept it but I just personally feel that the odds are simply against fortress and inferno from the get go. Its pretty evident that quite a few people don't read any of the information.
Like the sylvan vote many people started considering fury after the concept art was put up. I am personally just frustrated since I feel that inferno lost before the fight even began I feel the same way with fortress.
Just how it is I suppose.
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Hobo2
Promising
Known Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:18 PM |
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lokdron said:
Its the same thing that happened with fortress and its happening again here. No matter what I say of anyone says. Inferno is always going to be the "Orange blob" or one dimensional bad guys or the faction that has no character what so ever. No matter how many wall's of text we post as well nothing at all. Not even the fact that we are getting a fresh story with inferno nothing is working.
No. I read the text. There is lots of ranting about their lifecycle and ranks and crap, and none of it matters because they are still an orange blob that is one dimensionally evil.
There was absolutely nothing in there about them having any members other than hell hounds who weren't just red dudes with horns and/or wings. There was absolutely nothing in there about them being in any way sympathetic or interesting from a motivation standpoint. They are as monolithically bad as a Saturday morning cartoon villain, plus they drag in rape references right at the front which is icky and not the kind of thing I want to be in a game my wife may watch over my shoulder.
Everything about them is boring and stupid and bad, and if that's all they could come up with, good riddance.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:19 PM |
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btw, i loved the goat-legged demon. big axe and cool armor too.
*sigh*
maybe we can get it after expansion who knows.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:20 PM |
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Hobo2 said:
lokdron said:
Its the same thing that happened with fortress and its happening again here. No matter what I say of anyone says. Inferno is always going to be the "Orange blob" or one dimensional bad guys or the faction that has no character what so ever. No matter how many wall's of text we post as well nothing at all. Not even the fact that we are getting a fresh story with inferno nothing is working.
No. I read the text. There is lots of ranting about their lifecycle and ranks and crap, and none of it matters because they are still an orange blob that is one dimensionally evil.
There was absolutely nothing in there about them having any members other than hell hounds who weren't just red dudes with horns and/or wings. There was absolutely nothing in there about them being in any way sympathetic or interesting from a motivation standpoint. They are as monolithically bad as a Saturday morning cartoon villain, plus they drag in rape references right at the front which is icky and not the kind of thing I want to be in a game my wife may watch over my shoulder.
Everything about them is boring and stupid and bad, and if that's all they could come up with, good riddance.
Well if that's how you feel very well if they come in an expansion I personally hope you are proved wrong.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:25 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 20:39, 08 Oct 2014.
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Hobo2 said:
plus they drag in rape references right at the front which is icky and not the kind of thing I want to be in a game my wife may watch over my shoulder.
Oh boy, that made me laugh hard. This shows how softcore Dungeon is. Whats the matter, you afraid of evil?
Hahah.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 08, 2014 08:26 PM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 20:38, 08 Oct 2014.
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i didnt think superiority of dungeon over inferno
needed to be explained in details
however i am ready for healthy discussion
lets start with the lore/campaigns>
inferno has limitations as they can not be present for long outside of sheogh
while dungeon doesnt
inferno story has been hinted to have manipulations over others
however the masters of manipulations are dungeon
majority of inferno heroes/creatures have in mind only destruction
while dungeon are much more intelligent
so empathizing on campaigns saying that it wouldn't be eclipse
may do well for inferno,
however it doesnt prove in any way that story will be more interesting than the one dungeon has to tell
if u name it faction1 vs faction2 (forgetting that one is inferno the other one is dungeon)
then faction1 - has no limitations, can take any time and place , is focused on manipulations and gaining power
faction2 - has limits, can not take any place, is focused on manipulations, and gaining power
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:30 PM |
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I just came home...
And I totally want that Inferno.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:37 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 20:44, 08 Oct 2014.
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DarkLord said:
i didnt think superiority of dungeon over inferno
needed to be explained in details
however i am ready for healthy discussion
lets start with the lore/campaigns>
inferno has limitations as they can not be present for long outside of sheogh
while dungeon doesnt
inferno story has been hinted to have manipulations over others
however the masters of manipulations are dungeon
majority of inferno heroes/creatures have in mind only destruction
while dungeon are much more intelligent
so empathizing on campaigns saying that it wouldn't be eclipse
may do well for inferno,
however it doesnt prove in any way that story will be more interesting than the one dungeon has to tell
1.By devouring magic, magical artifacts and dragon blood crystals helps them stay around on ashan. So that issue has been sorted out.
2.Considering Kha-beleth converted a whole dark elf clan soulscar and one prominent hero into a demon. Plus made them secret demon cultists I wonder who is better at manipulating? Plus being about to influence dreams and shape shift into other people.
3.Intelligent in what form? Considering the planned assassination of the empress and her heirs inferno actually did dungeon's job better. Plus destabilized the empire I mean heck they did it again in heroes 5. Considering their forte is corruption as well how do you think they get the elder races to make deals with them? Or sell their souls? That requires you to be wise and intelligent.
edit:Well hobo if that's how you feel agree to disagree.
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Hobo2
Promising
Known Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:40 PM |
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lokdron said:
Hobo2 said:
I read the text. There is lots of ranting about their lifecycle and ranks and crap, and none of it matters because they are still an orange blob that is one dimensionally evil.
There was absolutely nothing in there about them having any members other than hell hounds who weren't just red dudes with horns and/or wings. There was absolutely nothing in there about them being in any way sympathetic or interesting from a motivation standpoint. They are as monolithically bad as a Saturday morning cartoon villain, plus they drag in rape references right at the front which is icky and not the kind of thing I want to be in a game my wife may watch over my shoulder.
Everything about them is boring and stupid and bad, and if that's all they could come up with, good riddance.
Well if that's how you feel very well if they come in an expansion I personally hope you are proved wrong.
I can't actually be "proved wrong" since what I'm talking about is what they've already produced in two games and the provided lore for the next game. I don't discount the possibility that they might come up with something that is interesting in any way in the future. They just haven't yet. So far all they've done is double down on the same crap that made Inferno boring in the past.
I mean honestly, can you name one story you can tell with these Inferno guys that you couldn't tell without them? They are bad and want to burn the world because they are Saturday morning cartoon villains. BFD. You could have a Haven character who wanted to do stuff that would burn the world down. Maybe get themselves some sort of blade that would bring about Armageddon. I think there might have been a Heroes III expansion about that, I'd have to check.
But sure, if sometime in the future some writers and concept artists want to get their heads out of their ass and put together an Inferno faction where more than 3 units aren't just "a red dude" and has some sort of goals that might be more interesting to hear about than a sugar rush inspired tirade from Beavis and Butthead, that would be great. But I really don't see that happening on Ubisoft's watch, so I'm not going to hold my breath for an Inferno faction that I'd rather play with than my own belly button lint.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 08, 2014 08:45 PM |
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lokdron said:
1.By devouring magic, magical artifacts and dragon blood crystals helps them stay around on ashan. So that issue has been sorted out.
2.Considering Kha-beleth converted a whole dark elf clan soulscar and one prominent hero into a demon. Plus made them secret demon cultists I wonder who is better at manipulating? Plus being about to influence dreams and shape shift into other people.
3.Intelligent in what form? Considering the planned assassination of the empress and her heirs inferno actually did dungeon's job better. Plus destabilized the empire I mean heck they did it again in heroes 5.
yes leaders like Kha-beleth are very powerful and intelligent, and some succubus, maybe few more heroes.
however majority of inferno inhabitants live no other purpose then being expandable units in warfare without any personal reasons and affections. some of higher ranked demons are hungry for power but not highly intelligent
as for dungeon even creatures like black dragons are highly intelligent, minotaurs are entire race same as orcs created by mages, faceless even speak with riddles, and dark elves except the lowest ranks have their identity personality and so on
did i prove my point to you?
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 08:53 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 21:02, 08 Oct 2014.
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DarkLord said:
lokdron said:
1.By devouring magic, magical artifacts and dragon blood crystals helps them stay around on ashan. So that issue has been sorted out.
2.Considering Kha-beleth converted a whole dark elf clan soulscar and one prominent hero into a demon. Plus made them secret demon cultists I wonder who is better at manipulating? Plus being about to influence dreams and shape shift into other people.
3.Intelligent in what form? Considering the planned assassination of the empress and her heirs inferno actually did dungeon's job better. Plus destabilized the empire I mean heck they did it again in heroes 5.
yes leaders like Kha-beleth are very powerful and intelligent, and some succubus, maybe few more heroes.
however majority of inferno inhabitants live no other purpose then being expandable units in warfare without any personal reasons and affections. some of higher ranked demons are hungry for power but not highly intelligent
as for dungeon even creatures like black dragons are highly intelligent, minotaurs are entire race same as orcs created by mages, faceless even speak with riddles, and dark elves except the lowest ranks have their identity personality and so on
did i prove my point to you?
You can say the same of dungeon minotaurs are simply used as muscle in warfare same as hydra those are the "Beasts" of the faction. Same with inferno the bestial units are there for warfare and destruction.
The stronger units pit lords, incubi, arch devils, succubi. They tempt and corrupt that requires intelligence and you need to be wise. They need to know the chinks within someone's armour to convert them to chaos they need to know how to exploit and manipulate them so they can make them give them their soul. Or even at most strike a deal.
What does that say of dungeon the people who listen to the whispers of the faceless the ones who know of dark secrets and knowledge things other people don't possesses.
Yet a WHOLE clan was converted to chaos? Even sarah an angel thought she is free from chaos she thought that she could return to elrath if kiril killed her. Considering the new information she is now a demon from now on.
There are many forms of destruction there is spiritual destruction and inferno make its an art form. Considering people most likely everyday make deals with demons unknowing they damned themselves. Plus many people lust for knowledge and power something that demons exploit greatly.
Considering the shock value of the demon cultists appearing in H6 you don't know if your next door neighbor worships urgash or not. Who knows your best friend may have made a deal with an incubi or succubi. To do these things it requires one to be wise and intelligent.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 08, 2014 08:54 PM |
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however majority of inferno inhabitants live no other purpose then being expandable units in warfare without any personal reasons and affections. some of higher ranked demons are hungry for power but not highly intelligent
and in medieval occultism existed the following phrase "summon the dead for truth and the demons for knowledge" 
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