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Galaad
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posted March 31, 2015 09:30 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:52, 31 Mar 2015.
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Huh, ok. So not only griffins are super fast, but they are also core tier? That seems odd ...
What I recall from Elementals was that they needed not only money but also a small amount of rare resource to recruit them.
Fire Elemental was a shooter alright and Air Elemental I didn't play with or against. Earth Elementals seemed solid.
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Dave_Jame
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posted March 31, 2015 09:33 PM |
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Galaad said:
Huh, ok. So not only they are super fast, but they are also core tier? That seems odd ...
What I recall from Elementals was that they needed not only money but also a small amount of rare resource to recruit them.
Fire Elemental was a shooter alright and Air Elemental I didn't play with or against. Earth Elementals seemed solid.
Funny how you, a person who had the chance to explore the game himself is unaware of some features :-D
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kiryu133
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posted March 31, 2015 09:50 PM |
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Galaad said:
Huh, ok. So not only they are super fast, but they are also core tier? That seems odd ...
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Gryphs
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posted March 31, 2015 10:06 PM |
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Galaad said:
Huh, ok. So not only griffins are super fast, but they are also core tier? That seems odd ...
What! When did this happen. Was it not enough to take them out of Haven. 
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verriker
Honorable
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posted March 31, 2015 10:08 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
that's a level 3 unit, not a core tier unit lol
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted March 31, 2015 10:20 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Funny how you, a person who had the chance to explore the game himself is unaware of some features :-D
How would I be aware of that? We only played the first two campaign maps which are dedicated to Stronghold and the only griffins I met were hordes in battlefield, and I only had a pack of centaurs with me. Is why I was surprised by their speed in the first place.
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Gryphs
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posted March 31, 2015 10:24 PM |
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May I ask what the griffins look like and did the upgraded ones have the new darker look?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted March 31, 2015 10:25 PM |
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They reminded me of Heroes VI. They didn't look particularly dark to me. IIRC
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 10:27 PM |
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Figured as much, thanks though.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 10:32 PM |
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Should there be more neutrals or unaffiliated creatures?
I mean, i wouldn't mind a vanilla heroes game with no unaffiliated (meaning with no faction ties creatures) units but with a 4/4/2 lineup from which you could choose 3/3/1.
I've said it before, and i guess this is probably the best place for such a discussion.
In my opinion, if a leadership ability (if diplomacy is not separate) is well implemented and there are many chances to have neutrals join your army, then it's ok to have unaffiliated units. But!
It is my belief that having more units from which to choose within towns not only adds to the strategic choices the player makes, but also enhances the experience of the game, because you have an increased overall creature pool. You have a nice pool of all tiers in game and that increases the units you get to fight and also the units you get to play with in each game.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted March 31, 2015 10:41 PM |
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I think no one can be opposed by having alternative units for core and elite tier as well. In fact, you are not the first one asking that.
I think the best place for defending that idea would be the Altar.
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MattII
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posted March 31, 2015 10:41 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 22:42, 31 Mar 2015.
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Funny how you, a person who had the chance to explore the game himself is unaware of some features :-D
Remembering my Starcraft 2 days, this doesn't seem unusual, during Alpha Blizzard was constantly chopping and changing unit stats and abilities, and even whole units.
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Protolisk
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Famous Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 11:17 PM |
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Overall, I think back in H3 the griffin was a tier 3 unit, and the core elite champ system combined tiers 1 2 and 3 into core, 4 5 and 6 to elite, and 7 stay champ. Which, to me, makes the griffins understandably core. But, of course, they have also been tier 4 and elite, so the sudden core reversion seems strange.
Edit: Curse you mobile devices and your lack of spell check!
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Articun
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 11:18 PM |
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Galaad said:
I think no one can be opposed by having alternative units for core and elite tier as well. In fact, you are not the first one asking that.
I think the best place for defending that idea would be the Altar.
Well, i did try to create a movement a few months back on the blog page, but found very little support, in the premise that "Let's just hope for a good vanilla" "Don;t be so unrealistic, they won't even consider it" "It's a very good idea, but i prefer to have alternative upgrades" etc, so i myself stopped.
But i have not killed my desire to see that feature in heroes! That's why in all lineups i make i use an exaggerated 5/5/3 system and even pushed Minastir to do the same 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
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posted April 01, 2015 12:29 AM |
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Hmm, with Griffins at the Core level, they're at the same level as the Wolves from the Haven lineup. That makes it a whole lot easier to mod Haven to include Griffins instead of Wolves.
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kiryu133
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posted April 01, 2015 12:38 PM |
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verriker said:
that's a level 3 unit, not a core tier unit lol
Protolisk said:
core elite champ system combined tiers 1 2 and 3 into core, 4 5 and 6 to elite, and 7 stay champ.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted April 01, 2015 01:50 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:54, 01 Apr 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
Protolisk said:
core elite champ system combined tiers 1 2 and 3 into core, 4 5 and 6 to elite, and 7 stay champ.
That's wrong. Before the core/elite/tier system was implemented, there was a much more significant difference between the levels. A level 1 unit was way weaker than a level 3 unit.
And since want to speak about H3, griffins were level 4 unit there, as in H5, so it should be part of elite tier, just as in H6.
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Heligrin
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posted April 01, 2015 01:56 PM |
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Galaad said:
And since want to speak about H3, griffins were level 4 unit there, as in H5, so it should be part of elite tier, just as in H6.
In H3 Griffins were level 3 units.
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verriker
Honorable
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posted April 01, 2015 01:58 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Protolisk said:
core elite champ system combined tiers 1 2 and 3 into core, 4 5 and 6 to elite, and 7 stay champ.
pretty much what Galaad said, I'm perfectly aware what the new tiers are, but a core tier unit is still not the same as a level 3 unit lol
Griffins were level 3 units, but for whatever reason you couldn't build their dwelling without building the level 4 units' dwelling first lol
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kiryu133
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posted April 01, 2015 02:00 PM |
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my point was more that the dragonfly was a low tier creature based almost exclusively on speed. it would easily be in core tier and still be relentlessly fast if carried over.
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