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Sandro400
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posted March 20, 2015 11:23 AM |
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Gryphs said:
How is it that a person as important as Sar-Elam has his/her gender forgotten to time, did they not record these things or were books not invented? It was not even that long ago from what I gathered only around 1500 years we remember that Julius Caesar was male and that was over 3000 years ago, yet the only mortal to ever attain godhood has something as simple as his/her gender forgotten?
Ok, not forgotten, but simply unknown. It may be that before he became the Seventh Dragon, he wasn't famous at all, but after his transformation his voice became ambigous. And on the artworks he's always dressed in a robe and hides his face with hood.
+ Djinns, which are considered in-universe as "reflections" of Sar-Elam's brilliance, can be both male and female.
P.S.: by "nobody" I mean "the populace of Ashan in general".
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Elvin
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posted March 20, 2015 11:28 AM |
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It is possible that the official records were lost in a flash flood. In the desert. I don't see what else it could have been.
Unless Sar Elam's magic did not seal just the demons but also sealed all knowledge of his mortal form from Ashan's collective consciousness  Or as they say in Ashan, a wizard did it 
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Sandro400
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posted March 20, 2015 11:37 AM |
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Elvin said:
It is possible that the official records were lost in a flash flood. In the desert. I don't see what else it could have been.
Quite possible, given that the records of the Dark Messiah were lost too.
From the Chronicles of Ashan:
With the eclipse that occurs in 843 YSD, the Falcon dynasty's royal line is brought to the verge of extinction. A different prophecy is uncovered stating that the end of that line heralds the end of the world.
A few years later a trove of lore on the prophecies is destroyed or stolen, and with it the world loses much of its wisdom on the Demons and their plans.
This kinda explains why there were only a minority of people prepared for Sareth's coming.
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 11:41 AM |
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Elvin said:
It is possible that the official records were lost in a flash flood. In the desert. I don't see what else it could have been.
Unless Sar Elam's magic did not seal just the demons but also sealed all knowledge of his mortal form from Ashan's collective consciousness Or as they say in Ashan, a wizard did it
Now that we talk about it, what kind of magic did Kha-Beleth use to erase Raelag from everyone's memories? Not only that, but... why would he do that? 
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Avonu
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posted March 20, 2015 12:06 PM |
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IIRC writers of H6:50SoP discuss of using Void magic to explain Raelag's alligance to Kha-Beleth and lost of past memories of him to general population but (IIRC) this idea was scrapped... at least in 50SoP.
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 12:09 PM |
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50SoP?
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Avonu
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posted March 20, 2015 12:11 PM |
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50 Shades of Purple 
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 12:13 PM |
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Ah, okaay.
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War-overlord
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posted March 20, 2015 12:15 PM |
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Avonu said:
50 Shades of Purple
The pet name of the H6 expansion Shades of Darkness. For obvious reasons.
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Minion
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posted March 20, 2015 12:26 PM |
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Ok I am a bit lost, was there a Falcon Duchy before it was wiped out? Where was it approximately? The map has a vague point at the corner of Unicorn Duchy. Also what is the Imperial Province in the middle of Haven Empire exactly?
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Avonu
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posted March 20, 2015 12:45 PM |
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Imperial Province always was rulling dynasty Province. So Falcon Duchy becomes Imperial Province and after their (nearly) entire bloodline was eradicated by demons and after Ivan won Imperial Throne, Imperial Provvince becoms Griffin Duchy, while former Griffin Duchy was given to Raven bloodline and becomes Raven Duchy.
Human Clans before Holy Empire
Duchies during Heroes 6
Duchies during Heroes 5
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Minion
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posted March 20, 2015 12:54 PM |
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Thanks a million, that clears it all up. 
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 01:22 PM |
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What exactly is Xana's allegiance?
In Dark Messiah she starts out loyal to Kha-Beleth and then tries to abandon him in favor of Sareth... but then, 400 hundred years earlier, she's with Kiril...?
Somehow, I like to think that when she was with Kiril, she was Kha-Beleth's spy, double agent if you will. Although I'm not sure if that theory has any support... Still, that would explain why she still serves Kha-Beleth and is honestly infatuated with Sareth.
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War-overlord
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posted March 20, 2015 01:26 PM |
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Sligneris said:
but then, 400 hundred years later, she's with Kiril...?
Not later. Earlier. Kiril happens 400 years Before Sarreth.
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 01:33 PM |
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Of course, I must have mistyped it.
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War-overlord
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posted March 20, 2015 01:36 PM |
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But in answer to your question. Xana is the servant to Kha-Beleth.
Here H6 ingame bio reads as follows:
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Born the daughter of a great Wizard in the Seven Cities, Xana's life changed abruptly when a fit of jealous rage led her to conjure an Imp into the folds of her cheating sweetheart's robes. Burnt at the stake for the crime of summoning Demons, Xana awoke from her grizzly death as a Succubus in the castle of the Arch-Demon Kha-Beleth, deep in Sheogh. Intrigued by her new life, Xana is content to do her master's bidding. Sweet and sincere and a lover of poetry, Xana is possibly the only resident of Sheogh who never speaks a false word.
The reasons for what she does is because Kha-Beleth tells her to.
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Sandro400
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posted March 20, 2015 06:37 PM |
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I'm sure I remember that in Dark Messiah, in one of the epilogues, she urged Sareth to screw his father and demons altogether and become ruler of Ashan (with her as his queen). I doubt Kha-Beleth told her so 
At the time of H6 she may be loyal to the Sovereign, but defected later. I too think that Xana betrayed Kiril, but, imo, not because she was a double agent, but because she was forced to (in order to save her own life).
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xerox
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posted March 20, 2015 06:42 PM |
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What's the story of the Stag Duchy? It wasn't one of the original clans.
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 06:49 PM |
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Stags were originally a branch family of the Falcons, hence why they were originally assumed to be the best candidates - the problem is that the actual line went extinct with the death of Cate, so Seamus does not have pure Falcon blood.
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War-overlord
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posted March 20, 2015 06:52 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
I'm sure I remember that in Dark Messiah, in one of the epilogues, she urged Sareth to screw his father and demons altogether and become ruler of Ashan (with her as his queen). I doubt Kha-Beleth told her so
At the time of H6 she may be loyal to the Sovereign, but defected later. I too think that Xana betrayed Kiril, but, imo, not because she was a double agent, but because she was forced to (in order to save her own life).
A Demon's alliegiance lasts only as long as you can dominate it. Sheogh is an eternal powerstruggle. In such an environment, you learn quickly enough to seize opportunities as they present themselves. As the Destroyer of the World, being the Dark Messiah's wife/concubine is clearly a step upward from being the Demon Sovereign's servant.
Xana is Kha-Beleth's servant. Not because she adores him, but because he is vastly more powerfull than her. Sareth is possibly stronger than Kha-Beleth, so yeah, the every Demon not wanting to take the risk of killing him, which would be doubtfull to begin with, him being the Dark Messiah and all, would flock to his banner as soon as they can see opportunity to do so.
xerox said:
What's the story of the Stag Duchy? It wasn't one of the original clans.
The Stag-familiy is an Offshoot of the Falcon-family. When the Falcons became the Imperial Family, their old lands were granted to their relatives, the Stags.
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