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donatazz
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posted March 26, 2015 03:08 AM |
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Edited by donatazz at 03:10, 26 Mar 2015.
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Members of the council.
Good evening everyone,or if you are reading this in the morning, to you I say good morning. Now, getting straight to the business. Is it just me or do you agree as well, that the council is more of a gallery rather than a partnership. The guys behing Heroes of might and magic 7 say they want our opinion, but so far we have only voted for 2 factions and their line ups. i feel like the rest of the work is up to them, and they dont want our input anymore. And even after so many negative comments we won the chance to decide the vampire and lich design. What I'm trying to ask is, do you think they should use us more to shape the game the way we weant it, or has it just become a gallery to view the work they have done?
p.s I also noticed that so far we have not actually given any input nto the game, we just voted on the things they decided, and it makes me angry, that they call this a council to shape the game how we want it, while hiding behind voting.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 26, 2015 04:20 AM |
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Well... how to put this... they give us option's and ask what is the best one in our opinions. True. They do most of the "work" since... well... IT IS THERE JOB!!!
To your information, line-ups and Factions are a rather BIG part of the game since we will spend a lot of time with the,. We also managed to get Random skill system and some very vocal members initiated a redisign of two creatures. Not to mention that the faction votes also influenced the story, heroes etc. connected to them.
I would really like to se HOW do you imagine all of the council members to agree on one feature with major impact as you say. Here on HC there is just a small fraction and still we can't agree.
The council is what it is, a group of fans that have been given some agency. We are not the developers. But from what I've seen this small group had some huge impact on the final product
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 26, 2015 11:32 AM |
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Welcome to the forum donatazz. This is a mixed situation to be honest. Most of the feature direction comes from feedback on the previous game, whether from insiders, official polls or from the forums. As such it was decided early on, before the council blog was even formed. I'd say that the blog's role is more to influence than actually shape the game and so far it has achieved a number of things. But in the end this is Ubilimbic's project. What we can do is make clear our likes and dislikes and hopefully something will come out of that.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 12:04 PM |
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I hope you're kidding. "Only voted for 2 factions and their line ups"? So that's a little thing to you? That's 1/3 of the factions we voted for, plus line-ups, plus tactical direction, plus townscreens settings and lighting, and we also got through our own efforts, unplanned on their part, the Random Skills and now the Lich and Vampire redesign votes. And somehow all this to you is some sort of galery?
Dude.
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 03:14 PM |
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I think that the cooperation and partnership with the fans s absolutely ok- especially that this is the first time when M&M game is being done this way- and also I cannot give example of other game that has been made this way, with changes being made in order to satisfy fans and just to meet their expectations (Forge can be mentioned but that is all)
Voting itself is big deal, also changes in mechanics (random skills) and some models, graphics, suggestions- it works quite well and we can expect that it will flourish in the nearest future. I can imagine that the production of expansions and next Heroes games will give us even more votes on the creatures like those with vampire and lich.
We have to keep in mind that for Dev this is quite hard cause he limits his own freedom and vision of the game, must change some things that are already done and addapt new things to the game (whaat can mean that some additional changes must be done), not to mention extra effort to keep the schedule and do everything without harming the budget.
All in all, I think that the project really works- ultimately, Dev is dong the game and he must make everything and by that is does not have to listen to us (and many company does so- game will sell and there always will be persons satisfied with the final product)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 26, 2015 03:19 PM |
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Oh and regarding the factions. From the beginning, ubi's plan was to have 6 factions with haven, stronghold, academy and sylvan confirmed and the remaining 2 up to community vote. I did not expect we would also get to vote on the lineups and honestly, I can't say I'm happy about it either  But if anything, ubi has come a long way regarding communication with the fans and now fans even have a measure of influence on the game development.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted March 26, 2015 03:22 PM |
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Elvin said:
Oh and regarding the factions. From the beginning, ubi's plan was to have 6 factions with haven, stronghold, academy and sylvan confirmed and the remaining 2 up to community vote.
hhhehehe
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 03:23 PM |
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rather Necro than Sylvan was meant to appear in the game cause Sylvan was put in voting alongside fortress- unless You have meant that it that it was obvious winner frm the very start (cause no one was supreised with the result)
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donatazz
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 03:54 PM |
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Stevie said:
I hope you're kidding. "Only voted for 2 factions and their line ups"? So that's a little thing to you? That's 1/3 of the factions we voted for, plus line-ups, plus tactical direction, plus townscreens settings and lighting, and we also got through our own efforts, unplanned on their part, the Random Skills and now the Lich and Vampire redesign votes. And somehow all this to you is some sort of galery?
Dude.
Well it is a debadable point of perspective mate. No need to be a douchebag to express your opinion. It is sad that other companies do not interact with the community to shape the game how we want it, since we are the market thats going to buy the final product. Regardless of the characters, the devs mentioned they were working on the game for about 2 years, before introducing the council blog. I think they had the working idea where and how the story was going to happen. All they needed is to implemend the races we chose.
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 04:51 PM |
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I thnik it is good that Dev shapes the story.
The story must be coherent and thisi is only possible when one or just few people write it. Otherwise it would be some hydra with multiple heads and neverending nightmare 
Secondly- where would be the pleasure of discovering the story, revealing all the plots and turnaorunds when we would know everything that would happen? This would be just one big spoiler 
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donatazz
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 05:16 PM |
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JotunLogi said:
I thnik it is good that Dev shapes the story.
The story must be coherent and thisi is only possible when one or just few people write it. Otherwise it would be some hydra with multiple heads and neverending nightmare
Secondly- where would be the pleasure of discovering the story, revealing all the plots and turnaorunds when we would know everything that would happen? This would be just one big spoiler
I never said the story should be decided by the community,it would be non sense and no one would buy the game, I was just explainin to the other guy.
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the_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 05:18 PM |
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They have listened to us with a lot of different elements in this game. The biggest impact we have had was with the two factions we voted for, but I think our feedback has also helped shape the other factions as well. Just cause we don't vote on something doesn't mean they arnt listening to us.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 26, 2015 05:22 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Elvin said:
Oh and regarding the factions. From the beginning, ubi's plan was to have 6 factions with haven, stronghold, academy and sylvan confirmed and the remaining 2 up to community vote.
hhhehehe
Sorry, I meant necro
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 05:26 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 17:28, 26 Mar 2015.
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the_green_drag said:
They have listened to us with a lot of different elements in this game. The biggest impact we have had was with the two factions we voted for, but I think our feedback has also helped shape the other factions as well. Just cause we don't vote on something doesn't mean they arnt listening to us.
Exactly. Heroes 7 in itself is the result of countless feedback dating from Heroes 6 and also the work of the VIP fans. So no, there is no lack of involvement. Just doubting that alone is ridiculous beyond reason.
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PandaTar
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Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 26, 2015 05:55 PM |
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I'm not a fan of this council whatsoever. Somehow feels like it's useless, somehow it doesn't feel it is. I do believe most of the presented things and also the voting things were already done, so there was this illusion of choosing this and that: line ups were already pre-determined anyway, as you all noticed. And the same for those factions. Pretty sure they are all planed if the game happens to have additional content in due course. Not to mention the cheating, which can't be truly avoided, and which is also something that wasn't necessary if not present: I don't like these voting polls at all.
Sometimes complaints are addressed and taken care of, sometimes not, feeling as if ignoring councilors altogether – and all this is a matter of perspective, given that some don't complain or like, so how to measure all this? It's somewhat irregular. So, in the end, I would rather have them do whichever they please, since they very well know 'what's best' in the end and opening this door to people to point out their tastes always seem too likely to make them rage and rant between themselves, given that people will always think their opinion is more important than others, not to mention questioning other's tastes or other demanding people do their bidding, as we can see now in that vampire and lich voting: "Vote this, vote that!" Why don't you vote and leave others alone? "Your argument is weak, blah, blah" - Why don't you go to hell? I voted in that because I wanted to. Period, end of story. These voting simply feed unnecessary bickering, and people do feel inclined to try and prove their egoistic sense of duty. Devs should have chosen themselves which lich or vampire based on those feedbacks and presented their final and only proposition and that's that.
Still, there are those awful town screens which I'm not seeing they'll be changed at all. So, I'm not sure how far councilors are really influencing things. Not to mention we haven't delved into mechanics yet – I just feel like watching a catastrophic wave of events coming nearby: tantrums included.
Others might differ from my position, but mine is final. Besides, I won't buy this game, so don't waste your time, or mine, disagreeing with me. It won't make any difference, really. ^^ The game will be just like the devs define it in the end, and it won't be a product I would want to waste my time into. That much is clear by now.
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donatazz
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 26, 2015 06:03 PM |
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the_green_drag said:
They have listened to us with a lot of different elements in this game. The biggest impact we have had was with the two factions we voted for, but I think our feedback has also helped shape the other factions as well. Just cause we don't vote on something doesn't mean they arnt listening to us.
we are talking about the vampire and lich again. We only won the right to vote for them through all the negativity that surrounded it. I wish they would work with us more, instead we just have to yell and shout how much we hate something for them to do something about it. You guys keep talking about the same things, but we only won the right to vote for those things, or influenced them, because of all the negativity that surrounded them, instead they should work with us and ask us what we thing in a more efficient way.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 26, 2015 06:04 PM |
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PandaTar said:
These voting simply feed unnecessary bickering, and people do feel inclined to try and prove their egoistic sense of duty.
Hehehe. 
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 26, 2015 06:17 PM |
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Lol. Pity that Death Cloud hasn't been discussed yet. Afaik, no one is against it, is it? So I really don't understand why they took it away in first place (probably to make it a special thing of the upgraded version, making lich a bit less special than what it should have been).
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted March 26, 2015 06:22 PM |
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Elvin said:
Storm-Giant said:
Elvin said:
Oh and regarding the factions. From the beginning, ubi's plan was to have 6 factions with haven, stronghold, academy and sylvan confirmed and the remaining 2 up to community vote.
hhhehehe
Sorry, I meant necro
LIES, ALL LIES!
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted March 26, 2015 08:33 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
LIES, ALL LIES!
I wanted Dwarves :'(
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