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posted April 09, 2015 07:55 PM |
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Strength can come, or at least, be applied in an optimized way when you learn a bit more about your own body, and you develop a better neuro-muscular connection.
Although I have been training for 14 years, it was only last year that I had some real improvements in this matter by correcting or simply concentrating more while training.
Bench press is an example of a very detailed exercise that people find it's easy to perform, but which has many details that make a huge difference in the outcome and can mess with your joints if done improperly or carelessly.
OhforfSake said:
I've been told many times squats and in general full body exercises are probably the best way to go, but I think people who know how to squat, deadlift, etc. underestimate how scary it looks for someone who has never done it before.
In any case, I don't disagree that squatting is probably the best choice, but I think it's important to keep other options open to.. "not put all eggs in one basket" so to say... I remember spending weeks on finding someone to show me some very particular exercises in stead of just doing something else.
You are certainly right. That was an example. Cases must be looked and analyzed individually. If I happen to try and help meroe with her case, I'm certainly going to have to PM her and check on more info regarding her overall health and experience.
meroe said:
Actually I have good stomach muscles and strong legs (only thing strong about me). I used to swim a lot as a teenager, both for school, college etc and I have always taken good care of my abs. But my arms have always been weak because of the arthritis, so I guess I have avoided using them as much as possible. Its hard to exercise my arms, especially my left arm as it causes considerable discomfort.
Having a strong core and strong legs is a great step already. Later, we can discuss which exercises you felt most discomfort, so as to understand the mechanics involved, trying to find another solution.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:03 PM |
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Yea my guy got multiple sclerosis way, he ate too much proteins. What he didn't want to tell us also his doctors don't know, but his guys found multiple sclerosis on the site of the web. Now my turn to beauty and power, what I wanted, but I don't want go to GYM, now I have own GYM. I don't take model about PandaTar but my model way. You know surely other push 100kg on bench press anf their body is a normal. You should also make it, all father give GYM tools to his soon, when less than 40kg and maximum 60kg, what polices must push to minimum 60kg in Finland, they train to 60kg, it after people are different 
EDIT: I hate internet problem, ok I'm sorry about the late message
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posted April 09, 2015 08:03 PM |
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See I told you this thread would be popular 
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posted April 09, 2015 08:11 PM |
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Yeah ... I'm just trying to see if it won't become any sort of an almighty misunderstanding thread instead. 
I also have some difficulties trying to understand what Ghost comments.
I'll post my life experience this night or tomorrow then. Right now I'm kinda busy at work.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:11 PM |
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Edited by artu at 20:18, 09 Apr 2015.
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I may be overgeneralizing a little, sure. It's not something very common here, at least among my social circles, But I think it's pretty safe to assume that a LOT of people get in shape for the appearance and caring about your appearance has a lot to do with being a sexual organism, directly or indirectly. I havent claimed Blizz was talking about the most marginal types, I said there is a difference between looking fit and looking like "the body builder type." I think his observations fit more to looking fit, not to mention this is not a binary thing, there are degrees between a regular looking person going to the gym and the professional athlete I linked above. When I say "the body builder type" I think of something closer to that side of the scale or at least something aiming towards it in spirit.
Oh, and of course, there may be very successful body builder people with impressive bios. But to say athletic types usually get better grades isnt something that seems to be confirmed when you look around, what I mean is, they dont seem to be significantly dominant in areas not regarding sports or brawn etc, just like fat people dont seem to be dominant, either. Usually, the distribution is, most of the people in succesful places (which doesnt require special appearence like show-biz etc) look regular, which seems quite normal since that's why we call it regular.
Edit: Though maybe, the contrast in US is a little sharper, since the way they eat, the ones who dont exercise mostly turn obese. So, there are more people who exercise daily and so on.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:31 PM |
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Btw. it's my impression that professional body building is more about diet than exercising, or to be more precise, to minimize fat percentage. Strong men like that Kip showed doesn't care about fat percentages, it's only good for looks.
Having the worlds largest abs may not do much good if your fat percentage is average.. but if your fat percentage is very low and you perform a minimum of exercise, you can look very well defined, the so called six pack.
PandaTar said:
I also have some difficulties trying to understand what Ghost comments.
Ghost or his friend may suffer from multiple sclerosis.. which is really really bad, I believe. I understand he has his own Gym and also shares that in Finland, police (men?) must be able to bench press 60 kg.
artu said:
caring about your appearance has a lot to do with being a sexual organism, directly or indirectly.
I had those thoughts when I was a child and decided not to care about what I looked like because of it. So I hardly bathed, never combed my fair, cared about clothes, etc.
But in my opinion, while what you say is true, that may be the initial reason, the benefits goes beyond the shallow original goals and goals change.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:35 PM |
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Lol, that's funny Forfy, why would you feel guilty about it? But as a kid, I guess you can. Your examples has a lot to do with hygene also though, still yes, sublimation goes a long way.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:37 PM |
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I go to sport room 4-5 times a week, a bit less when less time and so on, but I try to keep regular. All doctors I consulted before, in order to know what to do and what not, told me exercises for heart are the best, like rowing machine, bicycle, abs, jogging (pay attention to shoes quality still), and all said bodybuilding is a waste of time, like practicing weights, heavy machines, dumbbells (see the word root?) and so on. Ok,I don't know if doctors have the absolute truth and I guess what everyone desires from his body appearance is a matter of taste, anyway working your muscles isn't going to improve your health, working your heart yes.
Again, I am in no way specialist, but in general I don't like seeing big muscles, I have same reaction as to extreme make up, extreme talk, extreme everything. The problem with muscles is that the day when you stop, 6 months after you look terrible, so isn't permanent as learning a language, a job, all things which leave you in better mental shape even years after. Maybe if life was twice longer, we could try and see everything, but 3 hours a day and everyday into muscle room just to have Popeye's look, isn't for me.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:37 PM |
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Yes, but I just put hygiene into the same basket, because I did (and still do) connect being clean with being more presentable.
It was because I got a crush on a girl and I absolutely didn't want anyone to know so I tried to act exactly the opposite of someone who wanted to attract someone else would do!  Not sure if the feeling was guilt, or whatever it was. I hardly remember, but it became a habit and I became the ugly kid, so I remember some of the reasons and still fight with some bad habits.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:48 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I have same reaction as to extreme make up
My feelings exactly. It seems like a matter of taste, foremost.
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posted April 09, 2015 08:55 PM |
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posted April 09, 2015 09:02 PM |
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AFAIK, disproportion (mainly shoulders + breast + arms with weak legs and back) is more of a newbie mistake.
About the veins, I find that if I forget to get fluids doing the day, my veins shows a lot, but if I hydrate, it quickly looks normal again. So I think there's more to it.
Also I think it's important to note that when any kind of exercise becomes excessive, the initial reasoning for starting exercising (such as looking good for yer lady/man) may have dropped to the background due to the 'feel good' one can get from exercising.
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posted April 09, 2015 09:13 PM |
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WHY ?
Looked at all your comments, and just found that it is a bit better how you are 
But, let's say you'd better get a few muscles, but not that OBSESSED like the bodybuilders, they simply look too ugly
When getting muscles it increases your sex appeal, and strenght, but let's say that if i was a girl, and noticed a very OBSESSED bodybuilder, I really WON'T date him, or not even thoughing of kissing him 
I'd better date a boy RESPECTING the good rules (again, I am saying that IF I WAS A GIRL).
So, you'd better respect those RULES:
1.No overwhelming,
so start out with 10-20 crunches a day, for 1-2 months (1 if you want to loose weight, and 2 if you want your abdomen to be nice.
2.Then starting out to work on chest. Do 10-20 push ups for 2-3 months, and you shall look fine. (1 if you want to loose weight, and to loose fatness from your arms, and 2 if you want to shape your chest, and SPECIALLY hands.
3.Use Dumb-Bells for shaping the muscles from the hand, to look very great. If you don't have any dumb-bells, then simply do crunches as i sayd.
4.More rules are simply for perfectioness. Don't use those rules too much, or you will overwhelm / or simply be obsessed
So, hope this rules helped.
My uncle taught me this when I was a kid, and it really works.
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posted April 09, 2015 09:16 PM |
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Everything about appearances in this thread is just targeting strawman's. Hugely muscular men with bulging goliath veins and bronzed bodies isn't a big appeal to most women, except select crowds with more irregular tastes. I prefer older women in addition to women my age, but most men lean in the other direction. I also prefer women to be voluminous (not fat), but that doesn't fit most big screen actresses. A lot of this for me is about temperament. A girl in her early 20s still tends to be swimming in hormones and unnecessary sensitivity over the whole "being alive" business, and it's tiring and frankly unattractive. The greater sense of self-certainty, control, and mellowness of a woman in her late 30s is something I find extremely attractive.
Brad Pitt, George Clooney, any James Bond in history, etc., are all bodybuilders with a chiseled form. It's more than just falling into a certain weight range. When a man takes on a curvature in his arms, legs, and chest, it will make him more appealing to the general population. Pretty much any male model in existence is a bodybuilder.
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posted April 09, 2015 09:20 PM |
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I am sure everyone has stuff that works for them. Just remember it's usually more about correlation than causation (or to say, more about getting the results, than the reasons behind)..
Sean Connery and Eagle Powered Black Negro comes to mind as successful actors that used to be professional body builders.
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posted April 09, 2015 09:31 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
Everything about appearances in this thread is just targeting strawman's. Hugely muscular men with bulging goliath veins and bronzed bodies isn't a big appeal to most women, except a select crowd. But Brad Pitt, George Clooney, any James Bond in history, etc., are all bodybuilders with a chiseled form. It's more than just falling into a certain weight range. When a man takes on a curvature in his arms, legs, and chest, it will make him more appealing to the general population. Pretty much any male model in existence is a bodybuilder.
Just open Google and image search bodybuilder, hundreds of pictures and you wont be seeing 007. What you're saying is like, everyone who occasionaly drinks is a drinker.
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posted April 09, 2015 09:42 PM |
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Ah ... this is starting to get silly.
Bodybuilding is an activity of enlarging muscles and strength or one's body, a level of sculpture. There are many levels of that activity, and not only what Google will show for that would represent the most popular common knowledge and visual understanding. That's what Blizzarboy implied in his explanation and that was plain to see.
People who train with weights practice a level of bodybuilding. Period.
No sense in arguing about these details, really.
Starting to think it was a mistake bringing this thread up.
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posted April 09, 2015 09:57 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:02, 09 Apr 2015.
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There is a difference between doing something and becoming something, being referred to as the doer of it in a descriptive fashion. When the term bodybuilder is used, people are hardly referring to someone with the anatomy of Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Them bodybuilding moderately is irrelevant as a definer. That is very obvious and beyond any reasonable doubt, even your own picture confirms this. As I already said, there are, of course, degrees to this, it is not a binary thing but your arms for example categorizes as the bodybuilder arm, with all the veins and the circularity, meanwhile, Brad Pitt's dont.
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posted April 09, 2015 10:01 PM |
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Now veins are a favorite. Why? Fashion
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posted April 09, 2015 10:12 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Starting to think it was a mistake bringing this thread up.
That's what I meant by:
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Just make it clear what the intend of the thread is, so it doesn't develop in ways you didn't intend for.
A lot of people have a lot of interesting things to say here, and I think it's good, but it also means that sometimes if a thread is too general, the OP risk being disappointed by the development.
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