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Thread: Are we being reasonable in our expectations of the developers? This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
Danny
Danny


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posted August 21, 2015 11:28 AM

Avirosb said:
Because that's what people do.


That's what *some* people do.

Does it achieve anything?

Do you feel better about yourself?

Isn't your time/energy/dedication spent better elsewhere?

It is a slippery slope and a common trap for people these days.

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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posted August 21, 2015 11:29 AM

A word on Heroes Online.

The Acid Cave article is very misleading, because it fails to take into consideration what kind of a game Heroes Online has been designed to be.

HO is FREE TO PLAY (same as DoC), and from day 1 the main problem of HO has been to combine a compelling gameplay with a satisfactory reason to spend money. Because you can't pay for game development when no one pays for the game.

Which means, all comments on how the game has been playable initially and then ruined are, well, nonsense.

There is only ONE relevant question, when it comes to FTP online games: is there a reasonable way for monetarization - in other words, will there be enough players AND will a sizable part of them becoming enticed to spend money on the game (without thinking they are milked)?

Which means, the INITIAL game development had the basic flaw that no one asked nor answered that question.

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted August 21, 2015 11:43 AM
Edited by dark-whisperer at 12:02, 21 Aug 2015.

There is official artwork for Vampire and Lich and reworked creatures look much, much better. New game deserves new assets, so to me is unacceptable that some line-ups have only half new models.
And that is main problem ... they are using so much assets from HVI that this doesn't feel like new game anymore. Take a look at the dungeon: Medusa, Minotaur and Assassin are just recolored and Dragons are exactly the same. Did they even pay any attention to this faction? Triglodyte is just used to divert attention from rest of line-up.
But even worse is their deception and lying.

BTW I'm that dude from official blog

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
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posted August 21, 2015 12:08 PM
Edited by Galaad at 14:29, 21 Aug 2015.

Erwan le Breton said:
What we took for granted was the fact that people were righteously outraged to see that models really were too close to h6. Thatís ok for us, we knew that from the start, we expected this kind of reaction, it happened, it was bigger than what we expected so we take note and we will do something to go into your direction.


Okay ...

At the time we ranted for Necro reused models which was also the time before the PR event, we didnít have any relevant gameplay information. Now when I see with Dungeon there is even more reused models from Heroes 6, it looks like a minor problem to me in comparison to the gameplay reveals, yet I can't not see something is definitely wrong between what Ubi/representants are telling us and what is actually being done for/(against?) this game.

There was also this part.

Erwan le Breton said:
We totally accept the fan feedback when it comes to making the experience better for them in terms of playstyle and having a Heroes game which is as close as possible to the original formula


So how can one not have decent expectations for this game then not feel mocked by reading the actual articles after being told this? It's the same snow as this "Heroes 7 is back to the roots" campaign, because I think we all know by now the game has more to do with Heroes 6 than its predecessors.
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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted August 21, 2015 12:49 PM

Danny said:
Isn't your time/energy/dedication spent better elsewhere?
I'm too much of a nihilist to properly answer that.

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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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posted August 21, 2015 12:51 PM

Quote:
"Heroes 7 is back to the roots"


Everyone knows that heroes 6 is the true root of ubi-heroes and they did exactly that

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted August 21, 2015 01:03 PM
Edited by dark-whisperer at 13:12, 21 Aug 2015.

This is the image of Medusa that they gave us during line-up vote for dungeon:
Medusa
That disclaimer - "final creature might look different" is just intelligence insulting.
They posted above image with disclaimer when they knew that Medusa will have same model as coral priestess, they had look of the final creature, they just deliberately choose not to show it to us. Intentional deception is not cool.

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted August 21, 2015 01:17 PM

Danny said:
I just don't think it's that much of a tragedy. After all they've written themselves into a corner with Ashan so there is only so much they can do with creature lineups (Academy is practically the same lineup as Heroes 5) which also means it's not easy to come up with new concept for the same units over and over again. There's official concept artwork for the dragon gods now so obviously the dragon units will resemble them, that's the LEAST of the problems with the Dungeon lineup for example.

To me it's a bigger issue is that they are shoehorning units from Heroes 3 into the game only to please fans when they don't really feel being part of the current concept, like Troglodyte or Medusa, but I can get over this and probably still enjoy the game as much as any of the previous Heroes. But it is pandering to fans and yet the fans still find things to be upset about so in the end it makes them look ridiculous, like that dude on the official blog who's posted the same thing about reusing models a hundred times now.


Danny? Are you a fan of Ashan? Really? ReallY?

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Pawek_13
Pawek_13


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posted August 21, 2015 01:22 PM

dark-whisperer said:
They posted above image with disclaimer when they knew that Medusa will have same model as coral priestess, they had look of the final creature, they just deliberately choose not to show it to us. Intentional deception is not cool.

I'm sorry to tell you, but wasn't it pretty obvious that Medusas will be recoloured Coral Priestnesses?

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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
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posted August 21, 2015 01:25 PM

Pawek_13 said:
I'm sorry to tell you, but wasn't it pretty obvious that Medusas will be recoloured Coral Priestnesses?


Not for me. Even if they would use it as the base of the creature, I expected them to work on it to have her actually wield a bow.

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kiryu133
kiryu133


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Highly illogical
posted August 21, 2015 01:26 PM

And it was so cooooooool

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted August 21, 2015 01:28 PM

Pawek_13 said:
I'm sorry to tell you, but wasn't it pretty obvious that Medusas will be recoloured Coral Priestnesses?

It wasn't. Why would it? They had no connection until that lore article. And by that logic most of stronghold creatures should be simple recolor and they are not.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted August 21, 2015 01:40 PM

dark-whisperer said:
It wasn't. Why would it?
Ubi.

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Stevie
Stevie


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posted August 21, 2015 01:43 PM
Edited by Stevie at 13:45, 21 Aug 2015.

They had perfectly good compendium artwork for the Bladedancer which received so much praise it single handedly propelled the Fury lineup into winning the vote, and they completely discarded it in favor of a new concept which costed more money and turned out to be worse. Not even mentioning the Medusa here or the rest of the horrible copy-pasted Dungeon. They created expectations based on the simple fact that they linked a certain concept art with a creature name. The disclaimer that it is not official artwork doesn't account for snow. If they showed us those pictures for NO reason at all then they must be insane, which truth be told I don't find that far fetched. Either way, the blame's on them and definitely not on the fans who were deceived into expecting one thing and receiving yet another. But there are always Danny boys who think they're the wiser and that all this is just not that big of a deal.

Pawek_13 said:
I'm sorry to tell you, but wasn't it pretty obvious that Medusas will be recoloured Coral Priestnesses?


Absolutely not, but I can see where you were going with that.
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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted August 21, 2015 01:48 PM

I just have to say one more thing. Look at this article:
Official blog post
They put HVI artwork for Assassin, Minotaur and Dragon with same disclaimer and then reused models. It is such dishonest thing to do.

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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


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posted August 21, 2015 01:50 PM

I trust your word, because those pics won't load for me anymore.
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kiryu133
kiryu133


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Highly illogical
posted August 21, 2015 01:55 PM

Stevie said:
They had perfectly good compendium artwork for the Bladedancer which received so much praise it single handedly propelled the Fury lineup into winning the vote, and they completely discarded it in favor of a new concept which costed more money and turned out to be worse.


The blade dancer turned out to be exactly what was advertised except with less tattoos. The medusa missed several important parts which were advertised, including a bow. Your argument is invalid.

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted August 21, 2015 02:09 PM

kiryu133 said:
The blade dancer turned out to be exactly what was advertised except with less tattoos.

IMO not at all but whatever. Stevie is right the compendium concept art helped Fury win the vote, I was there, I can tell. That and the Deer's expectations, which were as well deceived. Oddly enough though the top comments on Sylvan votings are in favor of Balance but I don't want to go that road again...
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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


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posted August 21, 2015 02:09 PM

dark-whisperer said:
Pawek_13 said:
I'm sorry to tell you, but wasn't it pretty obvious that Medusas will be recoloured Coral Priestnesses?

It wasn't. Why would it? They had no connection until that lore article. And by that logic most of stronghold creatures should be simple recolor and they are not.


Weren't Medusae introduced in H6 Pirates of the Savage Sea (DLC with Crag Hack)? I remember that they are coral priestesses that turned to Malasa. Because of that, I just expected reused model, despite non-official artwork that was promising.
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted August 21, 2015 02:12 PM

Yes you are right, they are renegades, lore was used in favor of the possibilty to get Medusae in Dungeon back, which was a sign of good will from the devs on that aspect.
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