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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Orb of inhibition and orb of vulnerability
Thread: Orb of inhibition and orb of vulnerability This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · «PREV
phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted March 26, 2020 02:35 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 14:39, 26 Mar 2020.

Maybe, but I don't like how some heroes can't use their specials.
I don't know what they were thinking with Inteus and Bloodlust either, I guess they were NOT thinking...

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted March 26, 2020 02:50 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 14:52, 26 Mar 2020.

phoenix4ever said:
Maybe, but I don't like how some heroes can't use their specials.
I don't know what they were thinking with Inteus and Bloodlust either, I guess they were NOT thinking...


They weren't really thinking and their morale was down when they did that. I know how it feels. Their greatest innovation, the Forge faction, the one to finally bring people to the true roots of their beloved world, was trampled by their fans, so they had to rush Conflux and totally change the storyline. They got tired of it and said: let's just make them (the heroes and creatures) like that and that's it! They even kept Forge artwork in the game, including the Mutare wallpaper with a Stinger's laser pointer and also the Stinger defeated by Gelu (and Count Boragus' portrait is also just a reworked Stinger face).

Edit: I've seen an IP address editing and adding info about the hero specialties today on heroes.thelazy.net: is that somehow you (just curious, since you talked about specialties and such today)?

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted March 26, 2020 03:02 PM

That is actually me, I'm not sure how to communicate in the wiki though, maybe I need an account for that?

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted March 26, 2020 03:09 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 15:12, 26 Mar 2020.

phoenix4ever said:
That is actually me, I'm not sure how to communicate in the wiki though, maybe I need an account for that?


You should make one, since people can search your IP and see where you live.

You just need to edit the talk page like any normal page (can usually be seen in "recent changes" to the left). For every new line in a discussion (except the first), add a ":" before; the 3rd would have "::" before it. You can also sign yourself by writing this after your reply: "--~~~~".

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted March 26, 2020 03:16 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 15:19, 26 Mar 2020.

Okay that's kinda weird, but maybe I'll make an account then.

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fanofheroes
fanofheroes


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posted April 15, 2020 06:43 PM
Edited by fanofheroes at 18:45, 15 Apr 2020.

Here's a thought:

Keep the special abilities for all dragons with this stipulation:

Green/Red dragons: Immune to HARMFUL spells 1-3
Gold: Immune to HARMFUL spells 1-4
Black: Immune to HARMFUL spells 1-5.

That way you still preserve the difference of Implosion to be used on gold and not black while being able to resurrect them.

Harmful spells = any damage induced spell. Any penalty like: slow, curse, despair, sorrow, misfortune, weakness, etc.

lets face it, there are positive and negative effects spells have.  Just make the dragons immune to the negative ones.  

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted April 15, 2020 07:07 PM

I'm not sure if that might make them too powerful, I mean it's an interesting idea, but it might be a little strong. Perhaps if their cost was changed to 5000 and 3 crystal/sulfur it would be okay.
Then I would like something similar for the Fire Immune creatures, that can't use Bloodlust, Slayer, Frenzy, Fire Shield or Sacrifice.

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fanofheroes
fanofheroes


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posted April 15, 2020 07:19 PM
Edited by fanofheroes at 19:20, 15 Apr 2020.

phoenix4ever said:
I'm not sure if that might make them too powerful, I mean it's an interesting idea, but it might be a little strong. Perhaps if their cost was changed to 5000 and 3 crystal/sulfur it would be okay.
Then I would like something similar for the Fire Immune creatures, that can't use Bloodlust, Slayer, Frenzy, Fire Shield or Sacrifice.


Who knows. I mean each level 7 unit has a dominant advantage over the other if the situations changed.  orb of inhibition makes ancient behemoths the strongest by far.  I think there was a video made comparing all the level 7 monsters without using any spells.  

A powerful spell user would have an advantage with dragons that's for sure, but i think that's ok for dungeon and rampart cause it fits their theme a bit.  


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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted April 15, 2020 07:29 PM

@fanofheroes

However, think that Blackies have almost the highest level 7 stats. And it's also a classic that dragons, especially black, are usually immune to any kind of magic. I say we shouldn't just "butcher" their entire concept, just like WoG. But you can still mod your game as you want.

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Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted April 15, 2020 11:30 PM

I'm not sure if I'm following your discussions correctly? Sure, the Orb could have been designed a bit differently, but I think the most problematic part of the artifact is that you literally need to go to the internet and read how it really works, as the game does very poor job in that regard.

But as a game mechanic, I think it's good that there's counterplay options. Being (almost) immune to everything the player can throw at you is one the most op things in the game, there should be a way around that. Especially when we're talking about dragons, which are still extremely powerful, even if the player could manage to somehow find this one of a kind artifact.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted April 15, 2020 11:43 PM

The problem is Orb of Vulnerability is weird and unfair. You can strip Black and Gold Dragons of all their immunities, but still can't resurrect or buff them! Only if you wear the orb yourself, but then you also decided to throw all resistances away.
The orb should have worked the same for both players.

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Hourglass
Hourglass


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posted April 16, 2020 12:00 AM

phoenix4ever said:

The orb should have worked the same for both players.


Well, with that I can agree on.

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Zaio-Baio
Zaio-Baio


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Famous Hero
posted April 28, 2020 11:19 AM

fanofheroes said:
 orb of inhibition makes ancient behemoths the strongest by far.



Titans with golden bow/bow of the sharpshooter may disagree .

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted April 28, 2020 11:26 AM
Edited by FirePaladin at 11:27, 28 Apr 2020.

Zaio-Baio said:
fanofheroes said:
 orb of inhibition makes ancient behemoths the strongest by far.



Titans with golden bow/bow of the sharpshooter may disagree .


+Expert Archery. This kinda combination is totally OP with a Tower army, to be honest. Any melee attack will be a non-retaliated ranged attack with 180% base damage for Titans and other shooters. Only retals remain melee attacks. That way they deal even more raw damage than a single Azure Dragon! (not taking into consideration attack-defense modifiers) Also the reason I always take Archery when I can, at least when I play Tower.
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heymlich
heymlich


Known Hero
posted June 12, 2020 07:31 AM

phoenix4ever said:
Well:
Gold and Black Dragons are supposed to be immune to Armageddon correct? This can also be attained by being immune to Fire Magic.


To be honest, I feel the Black Dragon + Armageddon combo is a bit unfair. The black and red orbs give you a chance to fight it.

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zmudziak22
zmudziak22


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posted June 13, 2020 01:13 PM

Phoenix was better. Immune to Blind, Berserk and Armageddon while you can use Ressurection Spell.

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Mighty_Jeddite
Mighty_Jeddite

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Using Armageddon...
posted June 14, 2020 06:14 AM

zmudziak22 said:
Phoenix was better. Immune to Blind, Berserk and Armageddon while you can use Ressurection Spell.


I'm just saying, this thread pretty much sums up most of my entire strategy in this game, I play dungeon because I love all of the creatures, and black dragon is excellent because of its immunity to Armageddon and chain lightning which is also devastating but still useful against most of what fire can't kill, then it just takes playing your cards right and there is no need to get your undies in a bunch over a lack of resurection. Even though I like playing as Alamar or Jeddite because boosted rez is even better, so you can run around toting an unstoppable dragon army with it split into decent stacks that can decimate anything left standing after the magic barrage. With all this collected all that is left is to find a conclusion to replace your dragons with the marginally better and if I remember correctly, faster, phoenix.
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