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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Heroes III: what are the viable MAGIC heroes?
Thread: Heroes III: what are the viable MAGIC heroes? This thread is 6 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 · «PREV / NEXT»
bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted July 06, 2016 04:39 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 16:45, 06 Jul 2016.

Revolut1oN said:
Is that a joke? Come on now, might heroes can find the same spells and on top of casting them they can 1 hit KO mage troops.

Exactly, if I had waited to open a certain box with Corkes I would have waited another week or lost the level 5 spells but Dracon could learn Fly and DD immediatly, late week two. If one of your magic heroes has Intelligence and can TP, DD and Fly and your migthy main can't, who gets to do the fighting?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted July 06, 2016 04:56 PM

The problem in that example is that pandoras with 5th level spells are very rarely found week 2, to say never. Of course if I make a map where in order to get out of starting town, you have to open a pandora with town portal in, Adelaide is my choice, but that doesn't mean I would recommend Adelaide to anyone.

Examples and mechanics discussions should be done on the standard maps.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted July 06, 2016 04:58 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 17:02, 06 Jul 2016.

I didn't put the box there, at the most I gave player conditions to take it sooner. But you're right, mechanics gets affected by very small changes.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted July 06, 2016 05:02 PM

Well, it still confirms what I've said. Random map modified to custom map.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted July 06, 2016 05:16 PM

Also, I made the changes to explore Diplomacy against enhanced growth and resource bonus, most people here never play with it. This changes a lot of things.

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x-ecutionner
x-ecutionner


Known Hero
posted July 08, 2016 01:26 PM

phoenix4ever said:
Crag Hack with Tower troops is not even that good.


Name me something stronger than Crag + Tower Troops for brute force.

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forgottenpw
forgottenpw


Hired Hero
posted July 08, 2016 02:23 PM
Edited by forgottenpw at 14:25, 08 Jul 2016.

Imo in Campaigns, espiacially timed ones or maps with a lot of different points to defend, magic heroes, and espiacally intelligence spec heroes rule

but to me, only one campaign is that retarded (the one where you have to conquer stedwick?? in 3 month)

before i use a magic hero, i might consider scouting hero (fiona etc)
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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted July 08, 2016 02:27 PM

In campaigns you transfer prim. attr (and what else is tied to the hero), not armies, so there I'd say power and knowledge is better than att and def.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted July 08, 2016 09:59 PM

x-ecutionner said:


Name me something stronger than Crag + Tower Troops for brute force.

Crag Hack with Stronghold troops of course, with Tower troops Gremlins, Mages and Titans won't benefit from offense, unless they go to melee that is.

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Salamandre
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posted July 08, 2016 10:04 PM

What he asked you was to name another hero better than Crag Hack when leading tower hand to hand units.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted July 08, 2016 10:53 PM

You think so?, maybe, but I would prefer Orrin to Crag Hack with Tower troops. Crag Hack is not good with Tower troops.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted July 08, 2016 10:56 PM

Yes Orrin is also an excellent choice. However, if day one I had them both, I think I would go for Crag. Would be interesting to do a test on same map, same player, two starts and compare week 3 casualties, primary skills, monsters killed, etc.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted July 08, 2016 11:03 PM

But your Titans won't benefit from Offense with Crag Hack, unless you walk straight into the face of the enemy. Every other level 7 unit will benefit from Offense, but not Titans. But very early game Titans are strong enough to hold their own, still Crag Hack seems like a weird choise for Tower units imo.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted July 08, 2016 11:29 PM

Yes but here it depends what style of game you're playing. If single, I would always take Orrin, if MP I would take Crag, as the first week, which is decisive, you have no choice but ignore everything which shoots, then hit hard to get the resources for those expensive titans.
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x-ecutionner
x-ecutionner


Known Hero
posted July 09, 2016 04:58 PM
Edited by x-ecutionner at 17:01, 09 Jul 2016.

Salamandre said:
What he asked you was to name another hero better than Crag Hack when leading tower hand to hand units.


Salamandre gets it!

"not even that good" while Crag (best frontal fight hero, or simply put the best might hero) combined with Tower troops (the top tier castle for raw power) means there is nothing stronger.

Also Titans might be ranged, there's a HUGE chance you'll get blocked turn 1 by a flier/ mass haste troop. And the offense bonus will prove crazy.

An unblocked Blessed Titans, Mirror Imaged Titan, does extreme ranged damage.

Crag/Tower is probably the strongest combo for raw power in the game, everything considered.

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markmasters
markmasters


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Dragon of justice
posted July 09, 2016 09:29 PM

On topic: I think Solmyr is a good magic starting hero, you can use chain lightning to clear monsters quickly which other heroes could not so early in the game (like pesky marksmen). This makes you able to snowball the map.

This might be a considerable when playing on impossible difficulty on a low-resource map...

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The_Polyglot
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Promising
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posted July 09, 2016 11:07 PM

The phrase 'good magic starting hero' does not compute.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted July 09, 2016 11:50 PM

It does: Terek. Also Gundula and Dessa but is arguable they are magic oriented heroes.

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The_Polyglot
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posted July 10, 2016 12:15 AM

They are less bad than the others. That does not make them good, or viable starting heroes.
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x-ecutionner
x-ecutionner


Known Hero
posted July 10, 2016 03:14 AM

bloodsucker said:
It does: Terek. Also Gundula and Dessa but is arguable they are magic oriented heroes.


Battle Mage are hybrid heroes, not spellpower/knowledge oriented.

Same as the diplomacy "magic" heroes like Adela. Their main focus is their trait/ starting skills.

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