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fred79
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posted November 22, 2016 03:30 AM
Edited by fred79 at 18:54, 21 Mar 2017.

reporting from the rabbit hole

ok. so, i took an acid trip on saturday that lasted well into sunday morning. i've been trying to put into words what i experienced; so that i could accurately and adequately convey what i found on my journey down the rabbit hole, to others. i have been wondering if i even should discuss(especially on the internet, where so many people have access) my findings. the reason i wonder if i should reveal what i found, is because it might just negate all existence as we know it, if we were all made aware. but then i think, that people will just find me to be a crackpot, and not even take me seriously. so there's that. what i hope, is to convey my findings to open minds, and to be taken seriously, but not so much so, that people don't forget about it later; and continue on with their lives as they have before. i know that, as the illusion of time distances itself from my own memories of the experience, that my findings are indeed fading in significance. i, myself, am returning to the way i thought before the acid trip, and before my discovery. so it'd be best to document it now, while it is still somewhat clear and present in my mind.

i have been searching the internet for content to punctuate my experience, to better solidify it. i also wondered if anyone else found what i found. so far, i haven't found what i've been looking for, on the internet(although, i'm sure there has to be something out there somewhere. i tried erowid first, but as i search, i found my own memory of the experience fading further).

so, let me just get to it.

i'm sure anyone who has ever done hallucinogens in any adequate amount, is familiar with ego-death. that was only the beginning of my experience.

what i learned from my previous acid trips, is that there is an undercurrent to all human communication. that what we say, isn't really what we are communicating to people. the psychology behind what we say, is what is actually being communicated to others. the unspoken word, and all that; at least among human beings. it may be among all living things; this underlying communication. it's like a river, pushing and pulling, feeding itself and everyone or everything else. it's what keeps up together, socially speaking(besides the illusions of self and society).

so what am i yammering about? well, first off, i found in my last trip, that we're indeed, all connected. that was the start of my latest findings. as i sat ruminating, i realized i could feel everyone across the world; that i could SENSE(almost SEE) every other consciousness on this planet, and that we were all connected; like a massively complex spider web. as i sat wondering if i should communicate what i was experiencing online at that moment, i realized i didn't have to. because i could feel(again, almost SEE) everyone else out in the world. we were AWARE of one another. the way we communicate now(like i'm doing right now), is merely another distraction from the fact that we are all already connected, and receiving communication from one another, on the true conscious plane of existence.

from there, i journeyed further downward(upward, actually) the rabbit hole.

after i learned that we are all indeed connected(psychically speaking), and that any thoughts or methods otherwise, are merely distractions from that reality; i yearned to find the source of our connections. why and how were we connected? why did we not realize it, collectively, as living beings?

so i traveled onwards(upwards). and i found the source.

i found the source of all existence, and i found how we were all connected. i found that, we are all, indeed, one. it is only illusion, that we are seperate. there is no I, nor YOU. there is only WE. and actually, WE are an IT. each one of us, individually, are a light. but this light, is not of our own making. we are extended from a source.

i saw this light. first off, it isn't god. our idea of god, is childlike at best. our idea of god, is like a fish, when indeed, it's much, much larger in scope(more akin to the biggest whale in existence). the way humans think of god, is like a minnow, while we are only plankton in the ocean(metaphorically speaking). this minnow, is more like a whale. it is HUGE. but we were right about at least one thing: it is the source of all existence.

i know what you're thinking. you're thinking: but fred, you YOURSELF said that the physical world is all that exists. that that is all REALITY is.

and i was wrong. the opposite is true, in fact. physical existence is an illusion. so is death. although, heaven and hell aren't real. when we "die", we are only returned to IT(i believe IT is actually an energy). and there isn't some bearded man out in the universe, making existence. it's not a human, by form. it's an immense(IMMENSE) ball of light. all of the lights that stem from it, are only extensions of itself.

meaning, that WE are IT. there is actually no US, nor THEM(nor I, nor YOU). we are all the same light; we are extensions from IT. each one of us, is a ball of light(on the true,actual plane of consciousness); although infinitely smaller in scope. higher up, there are larger balls of light(which i believe, are the different dimensions/planes[time, etc] that it uses to create what we think of as "reality"[the physical plane, which is actually a distraction from the true, actual plane of existence]). and higher up than that, is IT. all of these lights, extend from IT. they(WE, and everything else) are all made from IT.

we, along with all of the physical world(what we think of as existence), are the result of an intergalactic(on the true plane of existence, where all the lights/light exist(s)) being that is playing the equivalent of DOLLS.

we and everything we think we "know", are the result of a lone, impossibly gargantuan ball of light, merely playing pretend.


so anyway, i encourage responses both negative and positive. understand, that i could start a religion on this, if i wanted to. but i worry, that by sharing this information, and if it is indeed accepted... would that ruin IT's playtime if WE were made aware? would we then EVOLVE into something else? or would this knowledge only lead to our(and the physical realm's) destruction?

think about this:

if all of our toys that we played with when we were kids, suddenly realized they were toys, would we then want to play with them anymore? how would their knowledge, affect our playtime?

we'll have to wait and see what comes of this knowledge. if it, indeed, will spread. or if it will instead, be ridiculed.
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edit: i made a horribly inefficient mock-up of what i saw(before my memory of it is further deteriorated. although i seem to be hanging on to the basics of what i saw). hopefully it will explain things better:



obviously, the main light is god. i figured that the 7-13 lights(i forget how many there actually were), were the different dimensions that constructed our physical reality(time, space, etc). i wish i could make all the little lights that formed the broken sphere(broken because of the vast oceans), but i don't think i could make a very accurate portrayal with photoshop. at least, not in the time i'd take to make it.

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yogi
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posted November 22, 2016 04:01 AM

semantics





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Gryphs
Gryphs


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posted November 22, 2016 04:14 AM
Edited by Gryphs at 04:14, 22 Nov 2016.

I doubt this drug induced realization is any different than any other hipsters drug induced realization. I mean you realize you were on acid, right? Don't be a Celfious.
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friendofgunnar
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posted November 22, 2016 07:19 AM

Does this knowledge have any practical application?

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fred79
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posted November 22, 2016 11:10 AM

Gryphs said:
I doubt this drug induced realization is any different than any other hipsters drug induced realization. I mean you realize you were on acid, right? Don't be a Celfious.


the means of realization or awareness doesn't matter. i guess one could find the exact same thing, through a near-death experience, through meditation, or through other hallucinogens. the point is, however the state of mind can be achieved, it should be. because reality isn't what most people think it is.

friendofgunnar said:
Does this knowledge have any practical application?


not yet, that i'm aware of. but i have already attempted to try and see if this knowledge changed me. because i know we are all of the same light, i had the idea that maybe we all share the same power as IT(much less in scope, of course). but i was incorrect in that assumption. at least, so far. i will be further testing this hypothesis; because if the physical plane isn't actually real, i should be able to manipulate it; at least, somewhat. perhaps my manipulation of it would be too miniscule to notice; i don't know. maybe the power is only a one-way thing. that would make sense, but for now, i'm still thinking and testing. maybe it's something that comes with practice, who knows.

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Gryphs
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posted November 22, 2016 11:18 AM

fred79 said:
the means of realization or awareness doesn't matter. i guess one could find the exact same thing, through a near-death experience, through meditation, or through other hallucinogens. the point is, however the state of mind can be achieved, it should be. because reality isn't what most people think it is.
How is your "realization" any more credible than someone who "realizes" they are a reincarnated bathtub? I am honestly kind of surprised to see this all posted here; you were clearly in a hallucinatory state why do you believe this experience is significant? This honestly seems like a troll or something.
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fred79
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posted November 22, 2016 11:26 AM
Edited by fred79 at 11:27, 22 Nov 2016.

@ gryphs: i can see how you might think this is a troll thread(even though it's in the tavern). and i understand your skepticism, trust me. if someone else had had this experience, i wouldn't believe them, either.

but i'm not trolling. and i'm certainly not nuts or out of touch with reality. i actually experienced reality. i saw the plane of existence where our "reality" is created. and i saw what creates it. trust me, i'm as flabbergasted as you are. moreso even, because i actually SAW it.



edit: missed a parenthesis.

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OhforfSake
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posted November 22, 2016 11:50 AM
Edited by OhforfSake at 11:53, 22 Nov 2016.

Gryphs is definitely protesting too much, I think you have stumbled upon a cover up Fred!

Edit: If we are all one, can't you write your frostysh posts a bit more clearly fred?

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fred79
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posted November 22, 2016 02:20 PM

i'm still searching online for anything describing the different dimensions i saw. i haven't found the one i was on where i saw all the seperate lights(not the universe, that is part of the physical plane of existence) that grew larger in size the closer they got to IT.

i'm trying to find what all the different dimensions are, but what i'm finding are wrong(numbers-wise), since i saw between 8 and 13 different lights in a row before reaching IT(which i think were the "toolbox" dimensions IT uses to create our reality).

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Maurice
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posted November 22, 2016 02:57 PM

I just hope you didn't connect to me while doing ... private things.
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Stevie
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posted November 22, 2016 03:25 PM
Edited by Stevie at 16:00, 22 Nov 2016.

I've had worse dreams than that. The mind is a powerful thing. Perception creates your reality, but it might not be reality itself. You were on acid, not exactly the best state of experiencing the concrete. I believe in powerful feelings, but I also believe in the rational, if they are disconnected then something's off. I believe that we experience in this world is real, not an illusion, and it doesn't matter what it is compared to the fact that it is. Something is, if nothing else then the consciousness. Cogito ergo sum.

And I would agree with you on one thing, that our idea of God is childlike, much to say about this and how the immanent cannot comprehend the transcendent by itself unless provided revelation, how the finite cannot encapsulate the infinite, but to say we know nothing at all is what I believe to be untrue.

Are you going to college yet?
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Galaad
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posted November 22, 2016 03:42 PM

LSD is a very powerful drug and it's all I have to say on the matter.
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OhforfSake
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posted November 22, 2016 03:56 PM

Am I right in that you mean consciousness Stevie? I also have an unfortunate tendency to write conscience when I mean consciousness.

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Stevie
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posted November 22, 2016 03:59 PM
Edited by Stevie at 16:00, 22 Nov 2016.

My bad, I did mean consciousness. Edited now.
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OhforfSake
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posted November 22, 2016 04:09 PM

I was very much into that sort of stuff 7 years ago, where I wrote a huge amount of posts on some other forums. Though I guess back then I had frostysh quality level posts when it came to make myself understandable, because it didn't seem like anyone understood a word I was saying.
Also I think I wrote conscience like half the time, so no wonder.

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Minion
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posted November 22, 2016 04:30 PM

Glad you had a nice trip

Under LSD disparate regions in the brain communicate with each other when they don’t normally do so. In particular, the visual cortex increases its communication with other areas of the brain, which helps to explain the vivid and complex hallucinations experienced under LSD, and the emotional flavour they can take.

But where as other parts are more active, within some important brain networks synchronization is lost (they are less active). This known effect is called ‘ego dissolution’: the sense that you are less a singular entity, and more melded with people and things around you.

So is this experienced "new reality" more real? Or the same reality with certain aspects amplifed?
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artu
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posted November 22, 2016 04:52 PM

Minion said:
Glad you had a nice trip

Under LSD disparate regions in the brain communicate with each other when they don’t normally do so. In particular, the visual cortex increases its communication with other areas of the brain, which helps to explain the vivid and complex hallucinations experienced under LSD, and the emotional flavour they can take.

But where as other parts are more active, within some important brain networks synchronization is lost (they are less active). This known effect is called ‘ego dissolution’: the sense that you are less a singular entity, and more melded with people and things around you.

So is this experienced "new reality" more real? Or the same reality with certain aspects amplifed?

I always got very fascinated by the resemblance between acid trips and the Zen state of mind, the whole philosophy constructed to achieve it. One wonders if years of meditation actually has a similar but more gradual effect on a neurological level.
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Gryphs
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posted November 22, 2016 07:44 PM

fred79 said:
@ gryphs: i can see how you might think this is a troll thread(even though it's in the tavern). and i understand your skepticism, trust me. if someone else had had this experience, i wouldn't believe them, either.

but i'm not trolling. and i'm certainly not nuts or out of touch with reality. i actually experienced reality. i saw the plane of existence where our "reality" is created. and i saw what creates it. trust me, i'm as flabbergasted as you are. moreso even, because i actually SAW it.
Like everyone has been saying, LSD is a powerful drug how can you actually believe what you saw was reality?
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Raenus
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posted November 22, 2016 08:03 PM
Edited by Raenus at 20:04, 22 Nov 2016.

"Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), also known as acid, is a psychedelic drug known for its psychological effects. This may include altered awareness of the surroundings, perceptions, and feelings as well as sensations and images that seem real though they are not. It is used mainly as a recreational drug and for spiritual reasons."

Dude, you were high as a kite on LSD. A drug known for causing the very thing you have posted. I understand you had one heck of a journey, but you are aware that you were not in a coherent state of mind yes?

You are certainly not unique in what you experienced (claiming so would be fairly ignorant of you) it just struck you a certain way/resonated with you. Either A. LSD is the only way to understand the divine (side note, a religion based upon the ceremonial consumption of acid would be......out there), or B. you saw some drug induced craziness.

I personally know which I think is more likely.

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fred79
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posted November 22, 2016 08:15 PM

lsd, or any hallucinogen, will open you up to different wavelengths(apart from how people normally think). for instance, on mushrooms, you will connect to nature; and you will know that all plant life is connected to one another, just like animals have a heirarchy, or natural order. on acid, you connect to people; and you see the wavelength of what is happening within us, on a subconscious level. i didn't expect what happened; in fact, i just went with the flow, and was actually trying to get some good visuals out of it, and nothing in the way of thought(which is usually what happens when i take hallucinogens: i am picking everything around me apart, dissecting it, and stumbling upon new things that wouldn't be readily noticable in a natural state of mind). that obviously didn't happen. i achieved another plane entirely, far above what i had experienced so far with every hallucinogen i've ever taken.

that people write off hallucinogens as mere "messing with someone's brain", tells me that they know nothing of what they actually do. your brain isn't being tricked(except when you hallucinate things like patterns on the wall, varying colors, and the like); but you're opening your brain to a seperate wavelength: the same wavelength(i believe) that is achieved through meditation. haven't you guys ever wondered how it is, that a human being can focus their thoughts, in order to ignore pain(physical), temperature(physical), etc? why do you think that many different drugs or states of being were called sacred by different tribes around the world for so long? lol, do you guys really think anything other than the physical world where the only thing that is certain is death and *ahem* taxes, is mere hokum?

@ stevie: college got postponed. the people who i need to get my military records in order to gain my GI Bill are worthless. i've been through two agencies now, and neither have what i need(when BOTH of them are supposed to). i've been stuck in a real quagmire in that aspect. it is the paperwork(or lack thereof) that is causing the delay.

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