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fred79
fred79


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posted April 23, 2017 01:19 AM

addressing an ongoing issue

don't think you can lock a thread so that i won't be able to provide any feedback on your bullsnow, cor.

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It's like how many times do I need to remind you of the rules here, fred?


what, the word "clit"? then how about you aim your sights at maurice for using the word "prick"? he IS a moderator, after all(and setting "the example", right?). funny though, how when i search for where he posted that word in a vw thread, it doesn't show up under the search results. it wasn't that long ago, either...

you know what's wrong with the qp system, cor? every time you mods take a qp, you're negating what that person made IN CONTRIBUTION to the forum to GAIN the qp. so, it's like i never contributed what gave me the qp's in the first place. which is wrong. very, very wrong. because people here at hc can STILL benefit from what i have posted, that GAVE me my qp's. give that some thought, before you read further. i want you to see what's so wrong about what YOU'RE doing with this petty insignificant and insufferable snow, and see if the penalty matches up with what I'M doing. which is merely discussing things like an ADULT.

besides, if the wordfilter doesn't catch it, then the word shouldn't be able to be penalyzed at all. it's just stupid. you want to penalyze for words, you might as well kiss this forum goodbye, because that kind of bullsnow will eventually drive members away. but that's not your aim, i don't think. your aim, is me. myself.

like i said, if you guys want me gone, be a snowing man and say so. now, what ELSE do you think that i could post, that might upset people? give that some thought, too. THAT is OUR power(the members here). and furthermore, so you understand the power of EVERY MEMBER HERE(should you decide to single any one of them out as well):

the limits of your power(and val's) are as such:

you can ban me(anyone). i'll(or anyone here can) create another account. you can ban THAT account. i'll(or anyone here can) create another one. you can ban my(anyone's) ip address. i'll(or anyone here can) get another one(and another, and another, and another). you can even ban my(or anyone's) mac address. i'll(or anyone here can) just use another computer. ad infinitum.

you getting the picture yet? you wanna play this stupid little kid's game, i can play too. it's up to you. because if you want to single someone out over a word that isn't in the wordfilter, then you can expect some sort of retaliation. however petty these stupid little squabbles may be, i have nowhere to be at the moment. my free time is WIDE OPEN. i can play around all day/night on hc. you should really take the time to understand this.

now, you know i can be a nice guy. all i ask is that you be reasonable and treat me like EVERYONE else(and for snow's sake, stop penalyzing people over WORDS. what are we, in kindergarten?). if you don't want to do that, and instead act like an insufferable parent figure with a less-than-liked child, then i'll take a steaming snow in your koolaid.

food for thought.

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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted April 23, 2017 02:53 AM
Edited by Corribus at 03:01, 23 Apr 2017.

You start off by necroing half a dozen VW threads yesterday for no purpose. Then you tell the forums that blind people suck. Then you post yet another graphic description of sex and female anatomy, despite repeated entreaties by several moderators to please not do this. I don't see why I need to explain this again, but here it is: we have asked members to use just a pinch of discretion  when it comes to this topic, because in our judgement posting graphic descriptions of sexual acts, pornography, associated anatomy, or other related items violates the Code of Conduct, which specifically identifies HC as a family friendly forum and prohibits vulgarity. You may not like our interpretation of those rules - or, frankly, any show of authority whatsoever - but there they are, and there it is, and it's not like you have any basis to call our interpretation a surprise at this point. You have been warned, warned, penalized and penalized, several times in the last few weeks, and my well of patience is completely empty.  

You are wrong on another thing, too - I can prevent you from opening new threads to grandstand in front of an audience, and because of your continued violation of the rules I think it's time you had a break to think about whether you can start to contribute to HC in a more positive way. If not, I'm sure there are plenty of forums around the internet where you can post very specific details about genital piercings and their effect on sexual pleasure to your heart's content.
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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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Age of erwins is over
posted April 23, 2017 08:15 AM

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You start off by necroing half a dozen VW threads yesterday for no purpose.


People do this all the time, this doesn't warrant a 1 week ban.

I know that Fred can push a few buttons, but silencing him for a week is uncalled for and too extreme in my opinion. People have done worse to get a 7 days silence, Fred just posted a questionable phrase in the VW, the cesspool of HC, he didn't even insult or flame anyone, and I don't see where in his posts he said blind people suck or any derogatory term towards disabled people. I have seen far worse sexual posts than Fred's last debacle and they just go under the radar. Hell, Fred will never be as toxic as a typical h7 discussion. I know he may be a drama queen, but he also had a considerable contribution to this community, unlike certain wasteland dwellers that don't even know this is a heroes forum. Yes, I consider this gives him a pass, those are just immature posts in the VW, yes they may be inappropriate, but just editing them should be enough.

I know that this request will probably be ignored, but can you please remove Fred's silence? It's an exaggerated punishment for some dumb post in the VW, you already penalized him for his misbehavior.

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Celfious
Celfious


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posted April 23, 2017 08:21 AM

Fred please don't go
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Elvin
Elvin


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Tastes like chicken
posted April 23, 2017 09:32 AM
Edited by Elvin at 09:36, 23 Apr 2017.

Corribus said:
Then you tell the forums that blind people suck.

Hey now, I was just messing with him on that subject. He was not being offensive. What he did say was that they must have a heightered sense of touch and mentioning clit piercing does not warrant a week's silence.

fred79 said:
how can i love someone i've never seen?

Elvin said:
This post is unwittingly discriminatory towards blind people.


And necroing vw threads? I mean sure, go ahead and warn him but consider it part of a weekly silence package? We've all been here long enough to know that people have done that before without getting silenced. Fred is on the naughty side to be sure but he's not unfriendly or disrespectful to others.
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Celfious
Celfious


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posted April 23, 2017 10:15 AM

please cut him some slack he has a happy puppy avatar. what's more family friendly than Fred's avatar?
lol
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted April 23, 2017 01:16 PM

LizardWarrior said:
I know that Fred can push a few buttons, but silencing him for a week is uncalled for and too extreme in my opinion.


Fred wasn't penalized for this particular infraction, he was penalized for this infraction being a number in the row of the last few months. As Corribus stated, Fred has been warned numerous times and even has been penalized a number of times, too. Yet, he still keeps doing it, where most people would heed the message that the mods have sent their way.

I see mention of his contributions on these forums here. They are undeniable, his graphics work on Heroes 3 is phenomenal. Yet, letting him off the hook because of that would actually be mod favoritism. It's like letting Donald Trump off the hook for speeding violations and driving through a red traffic light, just because he's the President of the US.

Lady Justice has a blindfold for a reason: it's exactly to counter favoritism by allowing factors to influence judgment over someone while those factors have no relation to the case involved. That doesn't mean to say that we mods have a blindfold like that, we've let numerous things slide in the past. Eventually, however, when someone takes it too far, for too long, we have to intervene and call someone to order, perhaps somewhat more strictly apply the rules and be less lenient to said person until he or she has learned to play along again. When that doesn't help, further countermeasures have to be taken.

As mod squad, we consider this thread closed to open debate. If you feel the need to get your concerns heard, please contact a moderator of your preference. Further escalation on this particular issue will not be tolerated, as it only functions to destabilize the forum.
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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


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posted April 24, 2017 10:32 AM

Was Fred silenced a week for creating this thread?
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LizardWarrior
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Age of erwins is over
posted April 24, 2017 02:36 PM

OhforfSake said:
Was Fred silenced a week for creating this thread?


Yes.
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted April 24, 2017 03:26 PM
Edited by Corribus at 15:28, 24 Apr 2017.

No. Fred was silenced because he has demonstrated a pattern of abuse that constitutes an ongoing impediment to our ability to keep the peace here at Heroes Community. Recently he has violated the Code of Conduct several times in the same manner despite repeated requests by moderators to temper his use of vulgar language, and then he has used the occasions of penalties he knows will come to springboard into conspiracy-laden diatribes in the Tribunal that serve no purpose other than to sow discontent in the community. Valeriy has asked moderators to reserve the use of extended silences for cases where member actions constitute an urgent and/or ongoing threat of disruption to the ability of moderators to keep Heroes Community a family-friendly forum where community members can discuss HoMM and non-HoMM related topics at their leisure. In addition, the simple fact is that sometimes a member who is having a very difficult time following the Code of Conduct can benefit from a short break to reflect on ways that he or she can contribute to the forum in a more positive way. Personally I find this to be a better alternative to continued penalties that will permanently harm a member's ability to post here.

I have to add also that a motivation for the escalation of our response in this case was the fact that in his post here fred makes numerous threats against the community in the form of promising to create multiple accounts or otherwise retaliate against moderator efforts to keep the peace at HC. I think I speak for the other moderators when I say that we are not intimidated by such threats and we will handle them accordingly if they are carried out. The larger issue though is this: anyone who would make such a threat is indicating how little he or she fundamentally respects the community's rules or the time that moderators volunteer to serve HC. That's an issue that should give the entire community a moment's pause.
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 24, 2017 04:13 PM

Corribus said:
No. Fred was silenced because he has demonstrated a pattern of abuse that constitutes an ongoing impediment to our ability to keep the peace here at Heroes Community.


And yet he wasn't silenced until he appealed his penalty. He just used the word "clit", he didn't write a 2000 word essay about how he's gonna have oral sex with a chocolate statue, if anything, he just improved. He didn't insult anyone, neither did he post something discriminatory or racial, it's just an immature joke. That's like tasing someone for loitering.

Corribus said:
Recently he has violated the Code of Conduct several times in the same manner despite repeated requests by moderators to temper his use of vulgar language, and then he has used the occasions of penalties he knows will come to springboard into conspiracy-laden diatribes in the Tribunal that serve no purpose other than to sow discontent in the community.


Yes and he already got penalized for that, why suspend him? For appealing his penalty (agreed, he did so in a rather rude way)? I'm pretty sure members have the right to appeal and discuss their penalties.

Corribus said:

Valeriy has asked moderators to reserve the use of extended silences for cases where member actions constitute an urgent and/or ongoing threat of disruption to the ability of moderators to keep Heroes Community a family-friendly forum where community members can discuss HoMM and non-HoMM related topics at their leisure.


So, people in h7 forum can use "circlejerk" to insult people they disagree with, all day long, mind you, that is in an HoMM-related forum. But Fred using "clit" once in a joke inside the off-topic section is a violation of the 10 commandments and therefore he must be smitten into oblivion. I know that mods vary from board to board , but the CoC is the same.
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Celfious
Celfious


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posted April 24, 2017 04:22 PM
Edited by Celfious at 16:34, 24 Apr 2017.

I'm sorry but I feel fred deserves an apology
it would be equally nice if he can admit he is over the edge and will try to maintain more adequate terminology in the future.
he got silenced for an appeal ?
(as a result of)

I wish to ask the mods to considering a reverse of the silence to demonstrate an unspoken apology, while exercising stern warning

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kiryu133
kiryu133

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Highly illogical
posted April 24, 2017 05:09 PM

Fred has continually broken the rules and been warned about it numerous times. Whether he wishes to improve his behaviour from here on out or not is up to him, not us.
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted April 24, 2017 05:32 PM

LizardWarrior said:
So, people in h7 forum can use "circlejerk" to insult people they disagree with, all day long, mind you, that is in an HoMM-related forum.


I think you aren't seeing the picture in a somewhat larger setting.

As I indicated in my previous post, we're not like lady Justice, dispensing indiscriminate justice for every little infraction of the CoC. We turn a blind eye to stuff that's said in jest, when it's rubbing the border - a border which is a grey area to begin with. As it is, what may be completely harmless or innocent in one culture may be unforgivable or outrageous in another and we have people from numerous walks of life, numerous cultures, both genders and just about the entire age range here on these forums. Furthermore, except for the Mod HQ, all sections of the forum are open to the general public, members and non-members (also known as lurkers) alike.

Eventually, however, we call upon someone's common sense to ask them to reconsider their postings and step back within the boundaries. I've had to ask several people to do so in the past and up to now, I had to rarely issue penalties as those people complied, apologized and made amends. If talking and asking to behave like a responsible person doesn't work, individual penalties are applied, hopefully making clear that the warning issued earlier was serious. When warnings and individual penalties don't get the message across, other measures have to be taken to protect the forum at large.

As Kiryu stated, it's not up to us to council anyone here on these forums into becoming a mature, responsible adult, that's up to the person in question. All we can do is make sure that people realise when they're crossing a boundary they shouldn't cross, hopefully making them realise that what they're doing isn't mature or responsible behaviour.
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Celfious
Celfious


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posted April 24, 2017 05:41 PM

the silence resulting from his appeal is harsh to harsh and I have nothing else to say on that but i hope Fred doesn't leave.

I don't have any more input but y'all are cool in my book I just highly disagree with a silence.

take care happy posting. I'm not leaving either but i hope Fred stays

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AlHazin
AlHazin


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posted April 24, 2017 05:43 PM

Frederic might be having a hard pass by his life, true, and so it influences the way he posts. I think he was penalized because he dies it very often, it's out of repetition not out of gravity of the act. That doesn't mean he is toxic in any way to HC, he is great. He just needs, like everybody, a bit psychology when being dealt with if I may say. I don't know but indulging sometimes or dealing with members with a wee bit of psychology would help more in those cases. Fred is not the kind of people that understand by hits.

I think the silence is not a punishment at all, it's just to give him some time to take some distance on things, consider the situation as a whole, deal with life, and such things. Sometimes you need to step back, isolate a bit to think with yourself alone, and when you don't do it alone, it's good to have someone forcing you to do it, in this case Corribus.

Hopefully, he will calm down and come back when the silence is gone forever to blow us some more.
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Celfious
Celfious


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posted April 24, 2017 05:55 PM

AlHazin said:


I think the silence is not a punishment at all, it's just to give him some time to take some distance on things, consider the situation as a whole, deal with life, and such things. Sometimes you need to step back, isolate a bit to think with yourself alone, and when you don't do it alone, it's good to have someone forcing you to do it, in this case Corribus.

Hopefully, he will calm down and come back when the silence is gone forever to blow us some more.


well said qp if I could

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PandaTar
PandaTar


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posted April 24, 2017 06:43 PM

Celfious said:
AlHazin said:


I think the silence is not a punishment at all, it's just to give him some time to take some distance on things, consider the situation as a whole, deal with life, and such things. Sometimes you need to step back, isolate a bit to think with yourself alone, and when you don't do it alone, it's good to have someone forcing you to do it, in this case Corribus.

Hopefully, he will calm down and come back when the silence is gone forever to blow us some more.


well said qp if I could


That's the point of temporary punishment. To improve. Hopefully, he'll take the cue and act accordingly henceforth.
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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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Age of erwins is over
posted April 24, 2017 06:56 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 18:56, 24 Apr 2017.

Fred79 said:
you know... blind people probably have wayyy better orgasms than most people. their sense of touch has gotta be off the charts. it'd be like when a girl gets her clit pierced: she can just walk across the room and achieve orgasm.

*gets a sharp pencil to poke out own eyes*


Do you people really think that this post warrants a week ban? Come on guys, we're not on Club Penguin
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PandaTar
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posted April 24, 2017 07:21 PM
Edited by PandaTar at 19:40, 24 Apr 2017.

I think we must consider that we have no way to answer that for others; not to say my point of view, which doesn't really care about what Fred said, is the right one either. I'm pretty much ok with the fact that I don't have to agree with everything here, but rules are rules, and with that much I agreed upon.

The forums attend to a plethora of different people. To some, some of our posts and language used can be harsh, offensive, and I think CoC is based on the possibility that people have very divergent statements and beliefs and tries to level things at the best of their capabilities. Rules didn't wrote by themselves, they're based on admnins best judgement at heart, and, such as any other person's, is fraught to divergent opinions.

When I signed up to become a member, I really didn't read all the CoC rules, but some stuff is simply implied, and I think HC is much more permissible than CH, and I do prefer a CH position, actually, which most of the times avoided situations to get like they're right now in this case here. We are talking with foreigners, and we are only writing to them. Without body language and visual contact, we lose what, 70-80% of communication value? Misunderstandings will occur every so often, and the shield of a screen cannot always shield every people's values either.

Although I don't concur bringing up things such as necroing threads as a way to prove things, if they were something some people do here every now and then, I completely agree with surmounting and reoccurring penalties to escalate on a single subject, and I don't know why it had to get to this situation, to begin with. If one is not 'testing' how CoC works, or have a disposition to keep clashing against rules generally, it's just a case o complete lack of attention, and one should try to improve later. It's just a matter of understanding. If you burn your fingers when you place your hands on fire, why the HELL would you keep doing the same thing? It's not that anyone here wants anybody else to prove their are capable of breaking rules. To most of us, we are nothing more than gathered words under the mask of a fluffy picture or anything of the sort.

It's not hard to keep yourself in check here. It's strange that some find difficult to understand some penalties; and on the other hand, it's also hard to understand how difficult it is to keep some subjects to yourself. If they're not hard to oblige or feel like they are nothing, why one has to break them then?

Whatever might be our contributions to the site, you are tied to the rules around here and should act accordingly. Shouldn't be an issue if you are aware of what the conditions are, specially when you had been advised, warned and penalized more than once already.

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P.S.: there's another thing. I have noticed what, 2 new threads regarding Fred were created after his penalty. I (me, person) can interpret them in two ways: supports him or nags him. If you are supporting him, these threads may actually harm his feelings or make him frustrated not to be able to commute, place more wood in the fire, that is. If you are not supporting him, you are aggravating him, provoking, which is not something I would condone or suggest right now. Timing is important, specially when you have a political issue brewing with divergences all around. We already had a 'us VS them' situation with H7 production. I really don't think we should spread this to the forum at large as well.
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