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JollyJoker
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posted May 09, 2017 10:23 AM

What left?

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Gryphs
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posted May 09, 2017 10:24 AM

Galaad said:
Frexit is possible with Article 50 of EU treaty.
Yeah, but LePen was promising a Britain style referendum on triggering it. I doubt Macron will.
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posted May 09, 2017 10:33 AM

Gryphs said:
Yeah, but LePen was promising a Britain style referendum on triggering it. I doubt Macron will.


Macron will firmly follow Washington's orders alongside NATO and France's foreign policy will keep on getting worse. Macron certainly doesn't intend to leave the EU, and he got elected partly for that.
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Minion
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posted May 09, 2017 10:36 AM

Gryphs said:
Galaad said:
Frexit is possible with Article 50 of EU treaty.
Yeah, but LePen was promising a Britain style referendum on triggering it. I doubt Macron will.


Why exactly would he? That makes no sense, he is strongly pro-EU.

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posted May 09, 2017 10:42 AM

I never said he would.
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Ereinion156
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posted May 09, 2017 10:45 AM

Neraus said:

As I joked lately, the problems with the EU need to be solved with more EU!


That's actually more or less what Macron is saying, if I'm not mistaken. He wants to give more power to the EU overall, but also wants to make it more democratic, more approachable for the people living inside it. And he also wants to let the EU themselves work with money, give them a household and a minister of finances as every other government has.

But you know what the problem with that is? Germany!
For Merkel and Schäuble the EU is nothing more than a giant marketplace for products from Germany. They do not want more democracy, more solidarity in the EU. They want profit for Germany. And a black 0.
And, although there are election in Germany in autumn, I doubt that anything will dramatically change in Germany's government. All alternatives there  are to the CDU keep completely losing there positions and following the main, popular political ideas. That is kinda infuriating.

So, Macron actually may want to change something in the EU for the better, but there will be nothing happening as Germany has become to powerful and profits to much of the status quo.

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JollyJoker
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posted May 09, 2017 11:08 AM

Don't you forget that Germany is paying most of the money as well? IN 2015, Germany paid 14.3 billion € more than we got.
France paid 5.5 billion more than they got, in comparison.

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verriker
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posted May 09, 2017 11:19 AM

Ebonheart said:
After reading this thread I feel everyone here has forgotten something rather important.
Debt.


for sure we of Britain who have half a brain (albeit we are a minority) do not forget debt at all, how could we, after all bear in mind we will have a big debt of up to 100 billion to pay the EU because of all assets and services we have benefited by leeching from the other nations lol
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posted May 09, 2017 11:39 AM

Ereinion156 said:
Neraus said:

As I joked lately, the problems with the EU need to be solved with more EU!


That's actually more or less what Macron is saying, if I'm not mistaken. He wants to give more power to the EU overall, but also wants to make it more democratic, more approachable for the people living inside it. And he also wants to let the EU themselves work with money, give them a household and a minister of finances as every other government has.


That's the slogan of the "young politicians", when confronted with a problem they always answer "more EU!", or at least, that's what Renzi does, people kind of forgot he wanted to shoe-horn an article in our constitution that basically required the EU's approval on regional affairs.

As if I'm going to let a German or a Dutch decide what's better for Sicily.

Being young doesn't mean you can't be part of the establishment, that's what people forgot apparently, unluckily, the only serious figures that could be a viable alternative are always chased away, always leaving loud, incompetent wanna-be anarchists.
The worst part of all of this is that I may have to vote Lega Nord, and I'm a Sicilian, what the heck Italy?
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Minion
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posted May 09, 2017 11:43 AM

Oh yes, Britain is hitting the jackpot with Brexit by slower growth, more unemployment, increased debt (£1.9 trillion by 2021) and the bill of leaving EU adding some 50-100 billion extra on top.

DING DING DING we haaaaveee aaa WINNEEER!

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JollyJoker
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posted May 09, 2017 11:47 AM

They'll also lose the Scots (hi, verriker, mate), and probably Ulster as well in a couple of years. Then UEFA will demand for England and Wales to play in one Britain team, and then Wales will become independent as well.

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verriker
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posted May 09, 2017 12:04 PM

bing bing bing rather lol

I actually think there is no chance they will lose Northern Ireland because the unionists are still just way too many and the Republic Irish do not really care to have them back, but maybe I am wrong and it would be a great thing to see for sure lol

celtic alliance go go go, freedoooooom and all that cheers lol
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Neraus
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posted May 09, 2017 12:12 PM

Off-topic, but why is everyone on board with the Scots leaving Great Britain, forming a Celtic union and all of that, while Catalonia and Sicily are shunned?

I mean, we could restore part of the Aragonese union you know?
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Minion
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posted May 09, 2017 12:18 PM

In the mean while Americans are baffled of this weird electoral system of France where the candidate with more votes won

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verriker
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posted May 09, 2017 12:22 PM

Neraus said:
Off-topic, but why is everyone on board with the Scots leaving Great Britain, forming a Celtic union and all of that, while Catalonia and Sicily are shunned?

I mean, we could restore part of the Aragonese union you know?


he that would eat the fruit must climb the tree,
if you are able to persuade Mel Gibson to make a very good Oscar-winning blockbuster propaganda movie arguing for Catalonian and Sicilian independence like we did maybe people will care cheers lol
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artu
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posted May 09, 2017 12:24 PM

Neraus said:
Yeah, the French revolution was ultimately done to restore the king's power.

You may have whatever opinion of Le Pen, but her election would have been a revolution, just as Brexit and the election of Trump were, the sudden change in direction would certainly qualify as a revolution.If there's something that scares me is when a politician is more prone to wave a EU flag than his own national flag, as if the EU's interests go first.
As I joked lately, the problems with the EU need to be solved with more EU!

But is it a sudden change in direction? Not strictly a reply to your post in fact but here's an article I just read about the recent French election and "revolutions."  This guy was a lecturer of mine back in the university, and although not exactly old-school, he's still a Marxist, so the core principle of the article is, it is capitalism itself that should be the target. There is still valid criticism even if you disagree with that though:
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Neraus
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posted May 09, 2017 12:35 PM
Edited by Neraus at 12:36, 09 May 2017.

It was more figurative, Le Pen is certainly not the establishment, while Macron, ex-banker and former minister could qualify as a member of the establishment.
In the French imagery it would have been like the overthrowing of the old aristocrats.

But it's not like if she was elected she would actually start implementing reforms that would apply a shift in power balances.

I mean, if someone calls the election of Macron the second French revolution don't mind me, I'll be laughing heartily, because the only thing that happened is the defeat of a nationalist candidate, not a sudden liberation from Nazi rule or whatever.

EDIT:: I should have written that it would have qualified more as a revolution when compared to Macron's election.
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Salamandre
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posted May 09, 2017 06:28 PM

Minion said:
Well maybe it is a revolution in a sense that a) it was a complete landslide. A massive 66% of the voters rejected the far-right policies


Not at all, if you imply immigration and control borders policies.

69% of french estimate there are too many immigrants.

61% of french would like to stop all immigration from muslim countries.

80% of french would like to have national borders back.

Those are national medias, no blogs.

What they rejected is the exit from EU and especially the return of the old currency, the franc. Which, after the system's economists, would have created a devaluation of about 15%, means you lose 15% of your heritage/wealth.  

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posted May 09, 2017 07:41 PM

To what extent do EU member states retain the right to control immigration within their borders?
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Clay_Man
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posted May 09, 2017 08:00 PM

Corribus said:
To what extent do EU member states retain the right to control immigration within their borders?


Do you mean immigration within EU member countries, or EU members imposing immigration control on their own borders vs outside (non-EU) immigration of whatever nature?

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