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posted May 30, 2020 03:20 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
I had to check in the Politics in the US thread but you are not a Trumpist. What in hell do you mean by "a race"? Americans? Whites (assuming that's what you are)? The first world?
Everything that goes against the dogmas of christianity about sex and sin is in itself liberating even if I am more about the Wilhelm Reich or Osho approaches to the matter.
Humans.
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Again, considering how it was before the sexual revolution I believe we are better now. And curiously, my father, a man born before the end of the first World War, that spent 4 years in school but saw the entire world, slept with hundreds of women and had three girlfriends at the same time when he was already doing quimio, two or three years before he died at the age of 83, would agree. He said to me once: you are a pussy! There are so many other girls in the world, all willing to have sex without boundaries and you cry about the last one. In my time you had to wait until they got married and you were always looking behind your shoulder, cause if her husband found out he could try to kill you. I just wish I had been born when you did." I've learned something that day (always look for married women, they don't run after you).
Well, that demonstrates pretty much perfectly what I'm saying. You fell out with a girl and his response was basically "Whatever, there are endless girls to have sex with"... and then he insulted you. Not good advice.
The actual ability to form a relationship is stunted and warped. A person can have sex with hundreds of people and yet never successfully achieve intimacy. And that is what also happens with porn, because a person has access to a virtual harem of millions of men and women. It becomes like a drug addiction, and it is increasingly being treated in a similar fashion when people seek professional help for it.
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posted May 30, 2020 06:18 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Humans.
Then shouldn't it be "as a specie"?
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A person can have sex with hundreds of people and yet never successfully achieve intimacy.
Touché.
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posted May 30, 2020 10:22 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
A person can have sex with hundreds of people and yet never successfully achieve intimacy.
Very true. At that point that is a personal failing above all else. It is a choice to have sex with someone after all, their choice to pursue meaningless endeavours.
For some people that is enough. For others it's not.
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Well, that demonstrates pretty much perfectly what I'm saying. You fell out with a girl and his response was basically "Whatever, there are endless girls to have sex with"... and then he insulted you. Not good advice.
Definitely your typical "macho man" attitude. Which is a toxic outlook/attitude to have. Like Blizz said, definitely not good advice. Nor a lesson a parent should really be teaching their child.
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posted May 30, 2020 10:50 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
The actual ability to form a relationship is stunted and warped. A person can have sex with hundreds of people and yet never successfully achieve intimacy. And that is what also happens with porn, because a person has access to a virtual harem of millions of men and women.
So what that means is that many people are incabable of successfully achieving intimacy, weather they watch porn or not.
I don't think anyone should stop watching porn unless it DOES hinder your relationship. It doesn't automatically do so. I find it perfectly ok if I am not in the mood for sex that my partner watches porn and jacks off.
There are millions of individuals in the world and when they pair up they make even more complex combinations, the moment you try to force everyone into same mold, people will become unhappy.
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posted May 31, 2020 01:20 AM |
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bloodsucker said:
Blizzardboy said:
Humans.
Then shouldn't it be "as a specie"?
Biologically speaking, humans are one race, we had different human races such as the denisovan and neanderthal but they are gone. So the term “human race“ is an accurate one.
@BB.
To support banning porn because of porn addicts is not much of an argument. Almost everybody, especially men, occassionally watch porn and only a small portion get addicted. It is not like heroin but rather like alcohol.
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posted May 31, 2020 03:57 AM |
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Nor a lesson a parent should really be teaching their child.
In his defense, I was anything but a child.
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Biologically speaking, humans are one race, we had different human races such as the denisovan and neanderthal but they are gone. So the term “human race“ is an accurate one.
Yeah! I already knewthat, both parts. We are a race and the only remaining member of the specie, so in my book we are ALSO a specie.
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posted May 31, 2020 12:49 PM |
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Yes, but saying we are also a specie doesnt mean you get to correct someone using the term human race by saying “shouldnt it be specie then.” Both terms are legit.
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posted May 31, 2020 12:58 PM |
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Yes, but saying we are also a specie doesnt mean you get to correct someone using the term human race by saying “shouldnt it be specie then.” Both terms are legit.
Absolutely, problem is "race" has another connotation in this context, while inaccurate. I would never guess what he meant and I believe I'm not alone. Got it?
But yeah, when I made the remark he had already clarified what he meant.
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posted May 31, 2020 07:44 PM |
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@bloodsucker
People say "the human race" a lot in English.
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posted May 31, 2020 07:51 PM |
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@Artu and Minion:
I haven't been following the thread earlier but I dont think criminalizing porn would work. That doesn't mean it isnt a seriously negative influence on people's lives. Not even counting the issue of consent and the link between porn and human trafficking and people being coerced into the industry, it's harmful by itself just from the tole it takes on the person. There's not so much such a thing as a casual amount of porn in the way there might be a casual amount of alcohol.
Alcoholism is of course a big problem but that is another discussion.
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posted May 31, 2020 10:08 PM |
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To support banning porn because of porn addicts is not much of an argument. Almost everybody, especially men, occassionally watch porn and only a small portion get addicted. It is not like heroin but rather like alcohol.
Very true. Banning porn would be like trying to ban alcohol... again. And that didn't really work out too well now did it?
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Blizzardboy said:
The actual ability to form a relationship is stunted and warped. A person can have sex with hundreds of people and yet never successfully achieve intimacy. And that is what also happens with porn, because a person has access to a virtual harem of millions of men and women.
So what that means is that many people are incabable of successfully achieving intimacy, weather they watch porn or not.
I don't think anyone should stop watching porn unless it DOES hinder your relationship. It doesn't automatically do so. I find it perfectly ok if I am not in the mood for sex that my partner watches porn and jacks off.
There are millions of individuals in the world and when they pair up they make even more complex combinations, the moment you try to force everyone into same mold, people will become unhappy.
Very nicely said Minion. There is no black and white for this. It's all grey. It is a personal opinion of each individual. Much like alcohol. Some people drink, others drink more, and some don't drink at all. It is the few that don't know when to stop that it becomes a problem for. Porn is the same way.
@Blizz: You seem very quick to say that someone's inability to make a personal connection or have an intimate/meaningful relationship is solely because of porn. When in reality there are about a thousand other reasons why someone can't do that. Ranging from societal problems to how they were raised/taught to view relationships. In the grand scheme of things porn rates rather low.
@bloodsucker: Okay fair. But still... that isn't really something a parent should be trying to impart upon their child. Adult or not. A rather shallow outlook your father had, no offence meant.
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posted May 31, 2020 10:20 PM |
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Oddball13579 said:
A rather shallow outlook your father had, no offence meant.
No offense taken. After my mother died we finally found the opportunity to became friends and I very often felt exactly that. He was an extremely intelligent man but sometimes I felt like I was the adult in the room, when referring to relationships. And believe me, I'm at least as crazy as most men... He also didn't watch porn, though.
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posted May 31, 2020 10:42 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
Oddball13579 said:
A rather shallow outlook your father had, no offence meant.
No offense taken. After my mother died we finally found the opportunity to became friends and I very often felt exactly that. He was an extremely intelligent man but sometimes I felt like I was the adult in the room, when referring to relationships. And believe me, I'm at least as crazy as most men... He also didn't watch porn, though.
Oh I totally get that. Sometimes I feel like I am more mature than my father when it comes to certain topics. I take pride in it though—even when it is a source of contention between us—cause it means I didn't buy into the same propaganda and prejudices that he did.
Mainly because I also say that I never want to become the man that my father has turned into. But that is off topic and no one wants to hear about that.
As for your father not watching porn, probably a generational thing. In his time porn was magazines and VCR tapes.
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posted May 31, 2020 10:51 PM |
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@Blizz: You seem very quick to say that someone's inability to make a personal connection or have an intimate/meaningful relationship is solely because of porn. When in reality there are about a thousand other reasons why someone can't do that. Ranging from societal problems to how they were raised/taught to view relationships. In the grand scheme of things porn rates rather low.
Of course there might be a thousand reasons, but the thread topic is porn.
As far as your last sentence goes: according to many men and women that get out of porn, it is indeed significant. Extremely significant for consumers doing it a couple hours a day or more, but for those that do it less often as well.
It is also (probably) more significant for children with far more neuroplasticity. Children are accessing porn on smartphones at roughly age 8 and this is also causing socio-emotional problems for forming relationships.
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posted May 31, 2020 11:01 PM |
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True. This is a great problem regarding kids, as I have said before.
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posted May 31, 2020 11:32 PM |
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Oddball13579 said:
Mainly because I also say that I never want to become the man that my father has turned it.
Can't say the same being the key word turn.
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But that is off topic and no one wants to hear about that.
Sorry, is just that all this talk about relations end-up bringing back some memories and the nostalgia associated with them. He is dead and I miss him, you know.
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posted June 01, 2020 08:40 AM |
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@Artu and Minion:
I haven't been following the thread earlier but I dont think criminalizing porn would work. That doesn't mean it isnt a seriously negative influence on people's lives. Not even counting the issue of consent and the link between porn and human trafficking and people being coerced into the industry, it's harmful by itself just from the tole it takes on the person. There's not so much such a thing as a casual amount of porn in the way there might be a casual amount of alcohol.
Alcoholism is of course a big problem but that is another discussion.
Why isnt there a casual amount of porn and how are you going to measure what exactly constitutes porn? Women in swimsuits during car sales, is it pornographic?
And if there is no casual amount, then how come you are against criminalizing it? If even the smallest amount of porn is harmful, then it should be criminalized, why not?
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posted June 01, 2020 02:17 PM |
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@artu
The purpose of laws is to serve the public in some fashion for the common good, and if there isn't a practical way for laws to be applied to do that, then it becomes more like a hindrance. So even though pornography causes very real damage and pain to people's lives and happiness, it's one of those things that is borderline impossible to enforce in a way that it wouldn't be a hindrance. That isn't to say certain regulations might not be valuable. It's much easier to enforce child pornography than it is to regulate adults trying to do the same thing, because adults are afforded legal freedoms that children don't have and it becomes vastly more difficult to enforce. I don't think that means adult pornography is magically okay but child pornography is magically wrong once a person becomes a certain chronological age (they are both harmful to some degree) but it isn't nearly as possible to control adults in the way you can prevent that from happening with a minor who is legally a dependent. Even then, child pornography is alive and well underground, and the fact that people are being objectified with regular pornography makes it all the easier for child pornography to exist underground. The one activity feeds the other in the 'chasing the dragon' spiral that porn consumers get swept up in, often without realizing it.
Let's be honest: much or even the majority of the pornography accessible on a Google search is more akin to abuse than it is to sex. It is domination and a display of power over a person. A meager blowjob isn't enough to satiate the display of power. It has to be forced. It has to be rough. That is what is so arousing and intoxicating about it. Power. The industry started off in the last century allegedly being more about sex, but the change in taste was incredibly predictable all along.
I think another good example is swearing at, or personally insulting somebody. I would absolutely consider those harmful to individuals and to society, but making a law that says "Insulting somebody will give you a criminal record" will do more harm than good. It is next to impossible to enforce. It would lead to endless debates about who started what, and who deserved what, etc. If somebody is persistently following somebody around and verbally attacking them, then they can be charged with harassment, but it's one of those areas that the law can't realistically be involved in most of the time unless it becomes persistent because it just isn't practical or possible. Or with pornography, it would be a logistical and legal minefield determining what was or wasn't pornographic, or who initiated what, etc. Something that is hurtful or damaging doesn't necessarily mean it is a good idea for it to be illegal. It just depends.
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posted June 01, 2020 02:46 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Let's be honest: much or even the majority of the pornography accessible on a Google search is more akin to abuse than it is to sex. It is domination and a display of power over a person. A meager blowjob isn't enough to satiate the display of power. It has to be forced. It has to be rough. That is what is so arousing and intoxicating about it. Power.
I'm not an expert on the matter but I think you have a point here. One of the reasons I don't watch porn is I feel like the woman is often being vilified when it should be worshiped. I like women, can't get aroused by watching them diminished.
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posted June 01, 2020 03:10 PM |
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I havent gone through enough porn to be able to give you an estimate but I dont think that’s true. There was for instance the X-Art series which I did like to watch every once in a while and women werent villified at all. Depends on the type of porn you seek I guess. Besides, occasionally, women may want you to be rough in bed if it’s on a fantasy level and my knowledge on this doesnt come from porn.
When we were growing up as kids, porn was something very hard to reach, both in terms of finding and purchasing. (At least in Turkey.) Sometimes, I do wonder what it would be like to be 13 in today’s world where it is so easily reached. But then again, we now have people who grew up with the internet, that generation are also adults, having their own families and so on, and they seem to be doing okay mostly. The thing is, most people, at least most men watch porn every once in a while and extreme majority have no significant effect on their life. So it is kind of like alcohol in this regard, I dont see why there is no harmless amount of porn, it is what I witness all the time.
And the part about humantrafficking and so on, that is a mafia problem, not a porn problem. The more of a taboo you turn a business sector into, the more criminalized it will become. So, if you want less mafia, you musnt push things underground, because as long as there is demand, somebody will be running that business.
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