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posted April 03, 2020 12:57 PM |
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@song
I don't want to argue in this thread, but this is what is coming from people living in Wuhan. I won't say anymore about it.
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posted April 04, 2020 11:27 AM |
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WTF
In Finland 1882/+267/20. Record for the highest +267. Always 20 between 60. Yesterday +97. It should guessably to next day.
Now USA is corona center.
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posted April 04, 2020 12:31 PM |
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songfx said:
You are not living in China, so what you know about China from some media may be wrong.
Well he is a leftie so pretty ignorant of what is outside of CNN narratives - in general all american medias have a simplistic view on China/Russia - the ENEMIES. Also, I would hardly cry on Chinese Muslims which obviously were allowed to safely grow up to 2% of the population while in every Islamic country, other religions are contained under 1%. Why is always one side only which is required to change.
HOWEVER, this crisis is less about China that about free travel and globalization potential and now real threats. Today it came from China, but tomorrow Africa perhaps, which has even less sanitary norms than China, to say the least.
I mean, there is no surprise, half of Chinese restaurants in France have the lowest sanitary ratings because low sanitary condition ; it's not a matter of race but culture, like in all other situations. Sadly, people always imagined the end of the world like some meteor or earthquake coming suddenly, where there are real invisible dangers growing in parts of the world which do not have the technology to spot them before it is too late. Then spread them everywhere by human factor displacement.
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posted April 04, 2020 12:58 PM |
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@Sal
China is a much greater risk than Africa because it combines unsanitary conditions with a developed infrastructure and frequent travel in and out.
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posted April 04, 2020 01:13 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Well he is a leftie so pretty ignorant of what is outside of CNN narratives
I don't really see how him being left or right is relevant, you have some educated people on both sides (and, uneducated people on both sides as well).
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posted April 04, 2020 01:59 PM |
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Ignorant of a more than binary reality doesn't mean uneducated. it means you only hear what some want you to hear.
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posted April 04, 2020 02:09 PM |
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Ironically, attaching “being ignorant of a more than binary reality” to only left-wingers is quite a binary perspective in itself.
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posted April 04, 2020 02:48 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
@Sal
China is a much greater risk than Africa because it combines unsanitary conditions with a developed infrastructure and frequent travel in and out.
Have to agree if we add India to the equation, since we also need to consider much more densely packed population and the sum of them being 1/3 of the world population.
Not saying that Africa couldn't bring something worse, we were lucky Ebola didn't enter Europe considering the significant migration from Sub-Saharan Africa, but unlike China, we don't have a significant integration of industry with that continent.
Indeed, some suspect that the flow of the virus was facilitated by Italian workers that were sent on some establishments in Wuhan due to corporate politics, while there are much fewer that are flown to and from Africa to work in factories.
The hate towards Russia is less justified, their hand extensions are to establish oil and gas partnerships and lift the US continental blockade against them, while some countries fear their territorial expansionism they don't have the capacity to actually establish military control over European countries unlike the US.
Suspecting the chinese however, is much more justified, since they already have us all in an economical stranglehold, and their political gain from appearing as a virtuous country that helps the world during an emergency (that they hid from us for months) means more industry buyouts, acquisition of strategic infrastructure, and more dependency on China, which, by the way, is what brought us all into this mess.
Even if we don't want to paint China as the bad guy, the reason of the current crisis is also that wealthy countries exploited cheap labour to transfer all industries and rely on Chinese import even for vital wares, case in point: masks and respirators; we all stopped producing them at a sustainable rate and are now on the verge of starting wars just to get a shipment of them.
So yeah, China bad, I don't like them for the same reason I don't like the US and Germany, predatory countries that exploit either their populace, their allies or their neighbors, and no amount of "actually we respect human rights" or "actually we're happy" or what have you can change my mind until my country's businesses start moving their assets back from China to Italy, until we stop relying on US arms and we stop having to beg Germany for money.
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posted April 04, 2020 03:33 PM |
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Self-reliance sounds nice in theory but its expensive (or impossible) in practice. Sometimes you just have to pick your poison and try to stay as diversified as possible. China and Russia have been pushing for the EU to break apart because they know a fractured Europe will easier to make deals with.
Post-pandemic, a lot of businesses in USA will probably be gradually shifting to Mexico. This will keep more money within the continent and it will give us a safer trading partner.
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posted April 04, 2020 04:25 PM |
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Sooo does anyone know how to go about contacting the entire dairy industry?
Because I keep seeing news stories about how they're throwing out milk due to not being able to get it to market for various reasons, and I want to poke them about crowd-sourcing that particular problem. I suspect with the huge numbers of people presently stuck at home with nothing to do SOMEONE has ideas that might help. 
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posted April 04, 2020 04:50 PM |
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China and USA are different sides of the same coin.
Both are superpowers. Both want world-domination. Only their approach differs. One is simply less "noisy" then the other.
Russia sits on the bench close to the ring. India is... I don't know, the most pacifistic of the bunch?
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posted April 04, 2020 06:08 PM |
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@song
It's not the Chinese people that I fear and suspect of lying, it is your government that I do not trust. I believe that despite the harsh measures a second wave is all but inevitable in China.
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posted April 04, 2020 09:47 PM |
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Kareeah_Indaga said:
Sooo does anyone know how to go about contacting the entire dairy industry?
Because I keep seeing news stories about how they're throwing out milk due to not being able to get it to market for various reasons, and I want to poke them about crowd-sourcing that particular problem. I suspect with the huge numbers of people presently stuck at home with nothing to do SOMEONE has ideas that might help.
Yeah, they need to go back old school and do milk deliveries. People are getting groceries to last several weeks so the milk won't get bought up.
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posted April 04, 2020 10:54 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Self-reliance sounds nice in theory but its expensive (or impossible) in practice. Sometimes you just have to pick your poison and try to stay as diversified as possible. China and Russia have been pushing for the EU to break apart because they know a fractured Europe will easier to make deals with.
Post-pandemic, a lot of businesses in USA will probably be gradually shifting to Mexico. This will keep more money within the continent and it will give us a safer trading partner.
Nobody says it will be simple or cheap, especially considering labour laws and costs it is definitely a problem for industries to flourish, however, there is an argument to be made that strategic assets should be owned and maintained inside the nation.
We know a lot about autarchy, it was a mixed bag of making us staying afloat and relatively unscathed by economical crisis and us lacking a lot of critical assets as well, our poor performance in tank engineering was mostly due to this after all, we just couldn't produce enough steel to actually afford to make proper heavy tanks.
Reverting 70 years of foreign industry integration is of course not realistic, however, we should all give a long and hard thought about having critical assets outside core territories, or worse, having critical infrastructure produced and maintained by foreign actors.
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posted April 05, 2020 12:10 AM |
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It's a much steeper price tag for small European countries. I know you hate the EU but without the EU, Europe is a lot more vulnerable to being manipulated into that kind of economic reliance and becoming a victim of neocolonialism, ironically.
X or Y European country might reject a trade deal with China (or USA) and then they can simply go to the next country over who is more complicit when a superpower waves a purse in front of them. You already have countries like Serbia peeling away and becoming reliant on China for its economic growth, and there is a hidden price tag with that because then China can use soft power to get them to do other things as well. Pakistan is pretty much a vassal state to China and that is because their economy disproportionately survives off of China. They are not well-diversified and that makes them easy to manipulate.
Something similar can happen to Italy if it leaves the EU because it doesn't have the ability to be self-reliant without lowering its standard of living a lot.
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posted April 05, 2020 07:08 PM |
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Russia is also superpower. Their superpower isn't completely but rising. Russia has Putin problem, when Victory Day and corona. So Victory Day can't arrange nor beat the corona, what Putin wanted. Not a good thing. Risky, if president comes/appears other person. So Putin must to find candidate for president before taken from hand. But if.
Take back. I think corona cases were caused by unhygienic and irresponsible people. Why? The sick people aren't allow go out. You can't know which. Also use always hand sanitizer, if the sniffles.
So Finland is much more clear than other countries. Naturally!
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posted April 05, 2020 08:20 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Kareeah_Indaga said:
Sooo does anyone know how to go about contacting the entire dairy industry?
Because I keep seeing news stories about how they're throwing out milk due to not being able to get it to market for various reasons, and I want to poke them about crowd-sourcing that particular problem. I suspect with the huge numbers of people presently stuck at home with nothing to do SOMEONE has ideas that might help.
Yeah, they need to go back old school and do milk deliveries. People are getting groceries to last several weeks so the milk won't get bought up.
I gather part of the problem is that they're used to shipping to restaurants and such, while right now everyone is buying from the grocery stores and the restaurants aren't buying any, and switching the machinery over to package more regular gallon jugs (or family-sized packages of cheese, butter, etc in place of industrial-sized ones) is:
1.) Expensive
2.) Time consuming
3.) Where exactly are you going to get the resources to make this change when everyone is trying to stay home?
Hence the crowd-sourcing - get people to brainstorm ideas, at least ONE of them is bound to be useful.
Say the restaurants that do take-out order the milk anyway, freeze it, and let people order a Ziploc baggie of milk-ice cubes with their pizza. Now this particular idea might have holes in it (EX: I'm assuming said restaurants have extra freezer space with no one eating in, and some kind of container for passing out the frozen milk; they might not, I don't know I'm not in the restaurant business), but this is maybe 30 minutes of brainstorming by my lone self. I suspect the entire internet thinking about it could come up with SOMETHING viable. And if not...it's something to do while trapped inside, which I count as a win regardless. 
Tl: dr - I am very frustrated that we are rationing food on one hand while throwing it out with the other, and I would like that to stop. 
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posted April 05, 2020 11:38 PM |
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Kareeah_Indaga said:
Tl: dr - I am very frustrated that we are rationing food on one hand while throwing it out with the other, and I would like that to stop.
Yeah, but that's like everyday life even without the coronavirus The food industry generates massive amounts of leftovers that become waste.
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posted April 06, 2020 10:30 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Kareeah_Indaga said:
Tl: dr - I am very frustrated that we are rationing food on one hand while throwing it out with the other, and I would like that to stop.
Yeah, but that's like everyday life even without the coronavirus The food industry generates massive amounts of leftovers that become waste.
But it isn't the exact same thing I'm being told I can't buy more than two of.
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posted April 07, 2020 04:08 AM |
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I honestly try and avoid reading anything about it, or seeing anything on the news. It just makes my anxiety skyrocket and then I am overcome with the urge to check in on all my friends and make sure they are doing okay. And I really don't need that stress in my life right now.
And I know they are all stressed out and me nagging them to see if they are okay just irritates them, that much I know. So I am trying to refrain from both things.
Hell, I don't even like reading this threat because then I want to start checking in on all of you guys and making sure that you are all okay.
I am just a smol, anxious, boy, trying to make sure that everyone is happy and not alone in this crisis.
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