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posted June 12, 2020 03:19 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 15:26, 12 Jun 2020.
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bloodsucker said:
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Pretty twisty that the club in which in Floyd worked and supposedly met with Chauvin in Minneapolis was burned in riot fires...
Pretty twisty indeed. Makes me wonder if that was caused by random rioters or the work of some umbrella guys trying to cover evidence. Cause if proven that could raise Chauvin accusation to premeditated murder.
I was thinking about a different type of twist to be exact. What I meant is that the same community (or maybe just "some kind of people" as the like to say to lessen the fault) who were "protesting" burned down the very same community which was related to Floyd (and livelyhoods of so many other people).
No umbrella guys included.
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Yay protests!
I find amusing how there are people around the world ready to condemn the entire protests cause property was stolen or destroyed but show way less empathy for the people being injured or killed.
Yes I condemn protests because destroying property and years of history (even if it was a monument of some slave trader, it's still history), has nothing to do with peacefully fighting for your rights and is plain barbaric. And don't tell me peaceful protesters and destruction of American cities has nothing to do with themselves cus the very same protests embolden civil unrest and thugs, especially now that police is occupied with keeping order on the streets where there are big concentrations of people. They even say riots and destruction of property is the American way, something I don't understand as an Easterner because why would you want to destroy your surroundings, but maybe that's just me, I don't answer for views of others.
I just hope those people will not regret it and think it was worth it when the time comes (and to be in line with the general logic of this thread: not wishful thinking, but facts).
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yet again America makes heroes from criminals...
Talking about twists, I can't see why some are saying Floyd isn't "the hero our community needs" when he clearly isn't a hero.
He was murdered by an abusive cop with three others dispersing the crowd that wanted to help, after trying to pass a counterfeit bill, which is a felony not a life threatening crime.
No, he definitively isn't the hero here, he is the victim. Protesters are the hero, they are the ones trying to correct a wrong doing.
If he is not hero then why they paint his face on many murals, and his funeral was some kind of cultural event?
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posted June 12, 2020 03:47 PM |
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blob2 said:
I was thinking about a different type of twist to be exact...
No umbrella guys included.
I knew where you were going but despise usually not being the conspiracy theorist type, I asked myself: who would the meticulous destruction of the club serve? And the answer included some umbrella guys.
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Yes I condemn protests because destroying property and years of history (even if it was a monument of some slave trader, it's still history)
And I maintain what I said, I'm much more worried with the lives and rights of people being threaten then with some slave trader statue, that shouldn't be there in the first place.
I guess you would also considered the Parisians storming the Bastille barbarians. Yet, that's not how they are portrayed in modern History books.
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If he is not hero then why they paint his face on many murals, and his funeral was some kind of cultural event?
Because he was the victim of an injustice. People fighting for justice don't need to find their Captain'Murica but they surely can use a symbol of the injustices they are fighting against.
If you are searching for heroes I suggest watching some Marvel movies, there are plenty of those there. In real life, I stand with Gugino.
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posted June 12, 2020 04:09 PM |
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Just for explanation, the right to bear weapons is in the US constitution in order to enable citizens to fight against an oppressive (dictatorial) regime (a regime governing in a way to undermine or even abolish the constitution) - which is the main reason the RIGHT cites, when they vote against weapon control laws.
What EXACTLY constitutes that case is, in some way, open to interpretation, but I will say this: in MY opinion, that case is given, if and when a government forcefully (by force of weapons) disbands a peaceful demonstration. I don't think that case is given, yet - but the US constitution ALLOWS the US citizens to take action against their government.
Which means, that this could escalate rather fast, should the president really decide to use federal forces to "invade" Seattle. This could, mind you, escalate as well, if the president tries to play false with the elections (for example, by postponing them).
This is very thin ice at the moment, for everyone, and what the president is demonstrating is a severe lack of ability to unify the people he is presiding over.
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posted June 12, 2020 04:57 PM |
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Very much so.
The 2nd Amendment is by far the most unfortunate sentence to have been written down. I am curious to see how the president reacts to his likely defeat in November. Given how chaotic he is when it comes to facts and his conspiracy theory tendencies, he might not accept the election results as valid, which will lead to a pretty big crisis.
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posted June 12, 2020 06:03 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
he might not accept the election results as valid, which will lead to a pretty big crisis.
I guess that is being taken care.
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posted June 12, 2020 07:50 PM |
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Doesn't really offer any indication of what would happen if Trump refused to step down.
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posted June 12, 2020 09:03 PM |
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I think it does. By now, one too many in the military leadership said they are against an intervention inside the boarders, so they surely wont back him in a stance that so bluntly goes against the constitution.
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posted June 12, 2020 09:27 PM |
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It's all a matter of how genuine or not genuine it was.
We live in a sort of neo-Dark Age because of the endless flood of information and misinformation constantly coming out, so if the election ended up being a close call and then people on social media or in media started questioning how legitimate the results were, then that could lead to a crisis and Trump has the sort of erratic personality where he would possibly not accept the results and not want to step down (when I say "he wouldn't accept the result" I mean he might literally believe the election was compromised with or without a good reason to think that)
Another 5 months and we'll see how things go.
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posted June 12, 2020 09:56 PM |
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It's all a matter of how genuine or not genuine it was.
That's exactly what matters the less. Of course this is a calculated move and the fact that a large portion of the military leadership manifested an opinion is a signal to the others that he can't count with them.
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posted June 12, 2020 10:28 PM |
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There's a very long precedent of the military keeping out of political affairs, so a military general apologizing for ending up in a strongly politically charged situation was to be expected. It would have been unusual for there to be no apology or correction, not the other way around.
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posted June 12, 2020 10:45 PM |
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But he is just the last one, many others already spoken. Haven't you heard about it?
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posted June 12, 2020 10:55 PM |
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No I haven't watched the news recently but I don't find anything odd about it. The military actively avoids politics, at least verbally.
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posted June 13, 2020 10:46 PM |
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posted June 13, 2020 10:53 PM |
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It's a pity those cops don't just let armed black criminals shot them, in order to achieve some fantasy equality.
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posted June 13, 2020 10:57 PM |
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Blacks shoot their own all the time in droves. They only cry FOUL when a white person does it to just ONE of them. Because, obviously, black lives only matter to them when it's a white person doing the shooting. Which is racist; and the racist bought-and-paid-for media are racist themselves for always pointing out the difference in race, in ONLY that kind of scenario. Which, of course, leads to more anti-white anger. Good thing you're helping them with their agenda, right, jj?
When was the last time you posted a link regarding black-on-black violence, guy? You SHOULD have no trouble finding any of that.
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posted June 13, 2020 11:13 PM |
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And, lo and behold, the rats come crawling back out of their holes.
Things have been recorded and tomorrow the video will be shown to the public. Wouldn't it be better to wait with the polemics until then, instead of starting the denial machinery just yet?
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posted June 14, 2020 12:50 AM |
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Calling me and fred rats, what an educated dude, respect.
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You are just an hypocrite, you posted a link from Clinton News Network with a "gotcha" headline and added "no comment". Then ask others to not polemic?
Of course the first thing I did was to search for video and description of the incident, and that was enough.
You want to create a protected class, based on color. Whatever they do, they never deserve accountability. Such misleading headlines create the hate and you are part of.
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posted June 14, 2020 01:38 AM |
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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posted June 14, 2020 03:21 AM |
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posted June 14, 2020 04:10 AM |
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@fred79
The criminal justice system is substantially biased against blacks and latinx and this does indeed create resentment. The main issue being talked about, which is to defund/dismantle/reform police departments to better serve communities, will disproportionately benefit blacks and latinx since these communities are more deeply affected, but it will ultimately benefit everybody.
Switching the blame back on the black community when they are the ones suffering from a biased system is racist and keeps anything from changing.
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