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Star_mage
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posted November 03, 2023 03:10 PM |
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Is this a hint for that creature?
Is it a Rampart creature?
Since Rampart has asian architecture (stemming from the Vori elves) and the creature is metal/earthly looking?
Because, otherwise...i dont know what the symbol represents, unless it represents 'house/home' because it looks like one.
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fiorin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 03:24 PM |
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Star_mage said:
Is this a hint for that creature?
Is it a Rampart creature?
Since Rampart has asian architecture (stemming from the Vori elves) and the creature is metal/earthly looking?
Because, otherwise...i dont know what the symbol represents, unless it represents 'house/home' because it looks like one.
The symbol means Metal
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 03, 2023 03:25 PM |
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Star_mage said:
Ah, I see...this 'metallic' creature looks like a Conflux one. We don't have a metal elemental or a Elemetal, haha.
At most, it could be Castle or Tower...or Forge.
FirePaladin said:
@Star_mage
You could delve even deeper with your conclusion about that metal creature, you might be pleasantly surprised (I would have explained it myself just now, but it's more satisfying to see the people figure it out).
@fiorin
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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Star_mage
Hired Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 03:38 PM |
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It s a Conflux elemental who came from the Elemental Plane of Metal as a consequence of the presece of the Heavenly Forge on Antagarich.
It's a long lost Elemental Plane who was activated to send Metal Elementals on Antagarich and fight the technologized denizens of Forge.
It might be the only elemental who stands a chance against Forge. Fight fire with fire...or metal with metal.
I'm running out of ideas though, haha.
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FdgK
Known Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 03:58 PM |
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This is a Chinese symbol and in China, there are five traditional elements: fire, water, earth, wood and metal.
So I think yes, it’s an elemental and therefore a Conflux creature.
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NotAnAlt135486
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 03, 2023 04:12 PM |
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Dear [Recipient's Name or Appropriate Department],
i have nothign to contribute but i am posting to let u know i dont like it
I trust that you will take this matter seriously and address it promptly. Thank you for your attention to this pressing concern.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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FdgK
Known Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 08:48 PM |
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What's up with all those newly created accounts recently that are talking trash about DoR and/or our friend FirePaladin?
Do people not find some better ways to spend their precious lifetime?
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iliveinabox05
Honorable
Famous Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 09:01 PM |
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FdgK said:
What's up with all those newly created accounts recently that are talking trash about DoR and/or our friend FirePaladin?
Do people not find some better ways to spend their precious lifetime?
Don't worry about them.
Personally, I'm loving that metal looking guy 
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 03, 2023 09:27 PM |
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@FdgK
Hard to tell for me, it's not like I bear much of a grudge, not even towards those who rip towns and warcraft sprites, and some of you probably know how much I disapprove of that.
Either waaaaay.... Yes, you were right about it, it's a Metal Elemental. Now, some might wonder why we chose to add new elementals as Conflux alternates. This would probably a deserve a full post in itself (and it most likely will get one), but essentially, adding a semi-elemental or non-elemental instead of an elemental would have been incredibly awkward when the other slots are occupied by the remaining elementals. That is also why Tritons will not be part of Conflex.
So, what about another elemental of the same element? That just means two of eg. earth elementals, which is also awkward for many reasons (earth elemental but now... shaped differently???? What?). There was also the possibility of replacing all non-elementals in Conflux with elementals, but that posed a few issues with the general schematic of the mod and alternates themselves.
There is also some lore which implies the existence of subplanes or additional planes, if I'm not wrong (I have been a major designer only on the Forge and Palace, but only a visual designer on the third faction, with which this deep lore relates), so we tried to explore that. The idea of using the Chinese elements as alternates was already brought up before, and since it neatly fit our plans as well as certain texts in MM, we went with that. Not only, but broadening the cultures incorporated is always welcome, so long as it doesn't compromise other aspects, and being able to pick between a more classical and a Chinese elemental scheme is more seamless than the other possibilities. Realistically, the precedent of elemental-based design being overhauled or changed is also not foreign to HoMM: the MM RPG series has many more magic schools as well as bonus elements/als (such as light and dark), HoMM3 itself added Psychic/Magic Elementals (neither HoMM1 nor HoMM2 had those, and the latter was still considered a relevant rival to HoMM3 back in the day) and, most dramatically for a H3 player, HoMM4 ditched the elemental schools in favor of another scheme.
Lastly, what about light and dark elementals? They have not been forgotten, either, but they will be more special than just some alternates. 
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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fiorin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 09:53 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
@FdgK
Hard to tell for me, it's not like I bear much of a grudge, not even towards those who rip towns and warcraft sprites, and some of you probably know how much I disapprove of that.
Either waaaaay.... Yes, you were right about it, it's a Metal Elemental. Now, some might wonder why we chose to add new elementals as Conflux alternates. This would probably a deserve a full post in itself (and it most likely will get one), but essentially, adding a semi-elemental or non-elemental instead of an elemental would have been incredibly awkward when the other slots are occupied by the remaining elementals. That is also why Tritons will not be part of Conflex.
So, what about another elemental of the same element? That just means two of eg. earth elementals, which is also awkward for many reasons (earth elemental but now... shaped differently???? What?). There was also the possibility of replacing all non-elementals in Conflux with elementals, but that posed a few issues with the general schematic of the mod and alternates themselves.
There is also some lore which implies the existence of subplanes or additional planes, if I'm not wrong (I have been a major designer only on the Forge and Palace, but only a visual designer on the third faction, with which this deep lore relates), so we tried to explore that. The idea of using the Chinese elements as alternates was already brought up before, and since it neatly fit our plans as well as certain texts in MM, we went with that. Not only, but broadening the cultures incorporated is always welcome, so long as it doesn't compromise other aspects, and being able to pick between a more classical and a Chinese elemental scheme is more seamless than the other possibilities. Realistically, the precedent of elemental-based design being overhauled or changed is also not foreign to HoMM: the MM RPG series has many more magic schools as well as bonus elements/als (such as light and dark), HoMM3 itself added Psychic/Magic Elementals (neither HoMM1 nor HoMM2 had those, and the latter was still considered a relevant rival to HoMM3 back in the day) and, most dramatically for a H3 player, HoMM4 ditched the elemental schools in favor of another scheme.
Lastly, what about light and dark elementals? They have not been forgotten, either, but they will be more special than just some alternates.
Real nice explanation.
So, the merfolk was moved to... Cove? As alternate.
It is on Hota concept level that one. Kudos for MDT on the Merfolk design design. It is Neph? Sowers?
So, the sprites will be dumped!? Oh boy. I love those little ladies.
Lets assume then, if you guys moved to Chinese elemental concepts... the we will see some Wood elementals as well? A non dendroid versionm I suppose. Tekken? A Mokujin!
Ok, dark and light and dark elementals could make a lvl1 replacement!? Thats a forced move. Unless they are like a Wisp, or something delicate.
Our beloved Firebird stays?! Oh boy.. Too much info
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Star_mage
Hired Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 10:05 PM |
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Ok so what do i win? haha experience? as usual...
About conflux changes...I too would change some things about the faction and since you re open to ideas...
First, Pixies and Sprites, Firebirds and Phoenixes don't feel like they belong there. They should be in Rampart (as per HoMM 2).
I know, Pixies and Sprites are magical creatures that live in all elemental planes and Firebirds and Phoenixes live in the Elemental Plane of Fire...awkward, because we also have Fire and Energy Elementals...
But what about replacing Pixies and Sprites with Whisps, some raw form of energy/elemental that did not yet evolve into one of the other elementals? It's the first stage of an Elementals and it lives on all elemental planes, just like Pixies and Sprites.
And instead of the Firebirds and Phoenixes, Light and Dark Elementals. Now, it wouldnt make sense that they evolve one into another since they are different elementals and they are from separate Elemental Planes.
Instead, they would be alternates and with no upgrade. They could already have mid stats (between non upgraded and upgraded 7th level) and the player can change, at will (with cost) between them, depending on the situation.
Now, this would break the traditional line-up and many people will oppose, blabla...whatever. it's an idea.
But you have the power to make this game better.
PS. Magic Elementals also need some rethinking...and a few other things.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 03, 2023 10:24 PM |
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Hehe 
Well, the Tritons will be neutrals for now, unless HotA would like to collaborate to some extent (but that's a whole another subject).
The Triton is Neph's yes. And indeed, quite impressive, Neph really nails creatures when he works on them (and you'll see some of his lovely work indeed). It will suffer some changes though, namely the addition of more Atlantean elements (basically just more armor) and perhaps the raising of their level (associating them with Atlantis tropes is only natural, since H3 is all about tropes).
No, the Sprites themselves won't be touched.... =p
Yes, this means Wood Elementals and Metal Elementals will be two alternates. Light and Dark, well, they will only be neutrals (but they can still be pretty special even as neutrals), and thus aren't a priority for release.
Firebirds will stay per se. Well, technically all creatures will stay, since in cases when an alternate is available, you can opt to build (or start with) the default creature.
@Star_mage
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Ok so what do i win? haha experience? as usual...
Well, Gold is also an option...
Anyway, we can't really touch the original lineups, DoR is meant to be a faithful expansion. The NWC devs wouldn't have overhauled the Conflux after SoD if they had the means, but they might have added alternates, just like they did in H4.
One little thing to note is that Tracy Iwata, the main 3D creature artist, left after the whole Forge drama, so yeah. SoD might have gotten some more colorful neutrals if not. Fun fact, but IIRC the AB dragons are more fairy tale-like and colorful since the players back then wanted some of H2's atmosphere back, a trend that NWC would have continued if possible, and which HotA also continued themselves - we too, intend to do so.
I think Gregory Fulton himself did have in mind to make Rampart distinct from H2's Sorceress town (he would have included the fairies and firebirds if not), and have the Conflux inhabited by the RoE elementals and echo the Sorceress town (through the fairies, firebirds and slight magical angle).
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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Star_mage
Hired Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 10:37 PM |
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suuure...let's stick with 20 year old mechanics, no problem, haha.
It was just a suggestion. We'll take anything at this point.
Something is better than nothing.
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Ancientdruids
Famous Hero
(Andruids for short)
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posted November 04, 2023 01:07 AM |
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EDIT: It was brought to my attention that the person I addressed this post doesn't exist. My general opinion about the creature still stands though, but I'm more than cool with reason that Xfing gave. So I'm not deleting any part of this post, to not try and hide the fact that I did the silly.
NotAnAlt135486 said:
Dear [Recipient's Name or Appropriate Department],
i have nothign to contribute but i am posting to let u know i dont like it
Dear totally-not-DoR-member, I know that you hate my opinion and would rather I didn't share it, but here it is anyways : >
i am posting to let u know i dont like how this metal elemental looks because in my view, it doesn't look like anything. As I said before, this alien dog-horse without eyes resembles something that skittered on its weird unnatural legs from the depths of H6 or H7 design-wise. It definitely doesn't look like an elemental. And it doesn't even look like it's made of metal. That's why people kept guessing what the hell it even is, until an obvious clue was given to them. Isn't it a bit of a red flag or something?
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Xfing
Adventuring Hero
I like Forge
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posted November 04, 2023 04:10 PM |
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My first thought when I saw the unit was that it looked like a wingless vampire bat walking, as their body plan is very reminescent. I like it because it breaks with the generic "featureless male humanoid of average height" body plan and makes things more interesting. The unit could have been made into a featureless T-1000-like mannequin of liquid metal or something (or something like the Pokemon Meltan and Melmetal maybe haha) - that would have been the obvious thing to do though, and sometimes it's better to go in a more risky direction.
The animations, which obviously can't be seen in the screenshot, definitely help convey the fact that these are meant to be metal elementals. And the sounds will too, I'll make sure of that personally
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pellish
Famous Hero
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posted November 09, 2023 06:45 PM |
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Edited by pellish at 18:45, 09 Nov 2023.
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FdgK said:
What's up with all those newly created accounts recently that are talking trash about DoR and/or our friend FirePaladin?
Do people not find some better ways to spend their precious lifetime?
We love FirePaladin here! Such correspondence between a team member and us eagerly waiting for DoR is rare to see I think. It's very interesting to get some insight into their development. Kudos to him!
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FdgK
Known Hero
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posted November 09, 2023 11:04 PM |
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Exactly, that’s why I did not get where all the haters were coming from all of a sudden. But anyways, since then no new offenders if I didn’t miss anything, so that’s good news.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 15, 2023 03:37 PM |
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Aw, thank you guys!
Anyway, I don't really want to forget about keeping y'all updated to some extent, so here's a little tease: I've finally gotten around to finishing the last thing on the last Palace creature left, the VFX. The image is only suggestive of some of the upgrade's VFX, not an actual screenshot of the creature (but it is what I used as a basis for it).
However, this second screenshot is part of the creature (though prone to color palette changes - it's already slightly different with post-processing, thus in-game as well):
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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Star_mage
Hired Hero
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posted November 15, 2023 03:51 PM |
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So, the first image to me looks like an Aurora Borealis and the second looks like an arcane magic effect. I would say shadow/dark/void, but i don't think that it is the case with the Vori elves.
Am I close?
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zeryss
Promising
Famous Hero
http://i12.pixs.ru/storage/6/4
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posted November 15, 2023 04:05 PM |
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what about this teaser???
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