kongsuni said:

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PanzerWDS said:

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This will be quite a long post.
I finished my big test of all level 8 units. I think the results I presented are very interesting. I discovered many interesting interactions and bugs (some of them serious). I hope my comments help improve this mod

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I just saw your review. This is a cool analysis, and thank you for the great review.

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PanzerWDS said:

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Tier 5 unit ranking.
The rules are the same as before. 100 vs 100 units. Heroes have 0 attack and defense. No machines like ballista or medic tent. Commander skills do not support units.
1. Supreme Gelugons. The absolute most powerful unit. All 25 fights were won, many without losing a single unit. The ability to permanently reduce a target's speed is awesome. I have used this unit many times in normal gameplay and can confirm that it is super useful. I suggest increasing the price and nerfing the speed to 10 or 11. The current speed is too high, it allows you to go through the entire map in the first round and attack the enemy unit, which in my opinion gives too much of an advantage. Additionally, this unit is very cheap, only 500 gold.
2. Basilisk Champions. A very strong unit. It costs quite a lot (700) but it is worth the money. The charge bonus and returning to the original position after an attack with its high speed make it a very good choice. 23 fights won and one draw (with Grand Perytons). I definitely recommend it.
3.Giant Octopuses. A cheaper (but overall better) version of the Chaos Hydras from the Fortress. 23 fights won. Great stats for his level. It costs 700 but it makes perfect sense. I also recommend it. Plus it flies. Octopuses win against Basilisk Champions if it has an obstacle in its path and cannot attack them on its first move.
4. Prototypes. Overall a better vampire. No counter, causes bleeding (no information in the description), 2 attacks and additionally heals. It's cheap, only 500 gold. The only drawback is that it does not have the greatest amount of life - if it is attacked quickly, it will lose many units and lose the fight. 19 wins and 2 draws (against Maikoms and Grand Perytons).
5. Maikoms. Expensive unit (750), but it has very good statistics and cool skills. 19 fights won and 2 draws (with Prototypes and Spirit Crusaders).
6. Grand Perytons. A very fast unit with good statistics. The ability to create quicksand is interesting, for example it does not allow Basilisk Champions to attack fully effectively. 600 gold is a reasonable price for such a unit. 18 fights won and 2 draws.
7. Spirit Crusaders. A strong melee unit that usually wins its fights. A preventive counterattack helps a lot. And 2 attacks, great. 575 gold is good business. 17 wins and 2 draws (against High Necromancers and Maikoms).
8. Deadly Banchess. The best ranged unit on this list. Expensive (700) and doesn't have super much life, but the skills are very good. Additionally, she is fast (up to 11) and has good damage. 17 wins and 1 draw (against Thunderbirds).
9. Devouring Ammuts. Good unit. Decent stats and cool skills. It's fast (11) and cheap, only 450 gold. However, the above units are better. 15 fights won.
10. Mighty Gorgons. The best tier 5 unit from the base game is still quite good in this mod. The skill is great, there is no doubt about it. Statistics okay. But the speed is only 6. The Gorgon is often destroyed before it approaches the enemy. However, for 600 gold it is absolutely fine (and when playing on maps it is better when attacking level 7 or 8 units). 14 fights won and 2 draws. (Cantor and Einheriers)
11. Einheriers. A strong unit in melee combat. Lots of life. Strong skill. But unfortunately only 6 speeds, it hurts. 600 gold is a reasonable price. 14 fights won and a draw with Mighty Gorgons.
12. Bombardiers. I am surprised at such a low position of this unit in this ranking. I use them a lot in normal play and they are very, very powerful. When they attack an enemy twice in the same place, they deal huge damage to him. They have a lot of life. The cost is as much as 700 gold, but it is fully justified. Unfortunately, in this test, many fast units immediately attacked the Bombardiers, making them not as effective as they usually are in a normal game. 14 fights won.
13. Minotaur Kings. Solid unit, but nothing special. The skill is not particularly useful, but at least the statistics are ok. They cost 575 gold. 12 fights won and 1 draw (with High Necromancers).
14. Marid Sultans. Much better Master Genies. Faster and has slightly better statistics. However, Master Genies has a better skill. Due to its high speed, Marid Sultans usually defeat shooters. The cost is quite high (600). 12 fights won and one draw (with Thunderbirds).
15. Grim Hippogryphs. Fast unit (12), unfortunately very expensive (750). Statistics ok, nothing great. The skill is almost useless in my opinion, I don't think I ever used it. Due to its speed, it wins many fights with shooters, but in hand-to-hand combat it is worse. Overall, nothing outstanding. 12 fights won.
16. High Necromancers. A relatively good unit in ranged combat. There is no information in the description that there is no melee counter. In regular combat, it is a bit more useful because the skill allows allies to heal themselves when attacking. Unfortunately, the cost is quite high, as much as 650 gold. 11 wins and 3 draws (Minotaur Kings, Thunderbirds and Spirit Crusaders).
17. Thunderbirds. Quite a good unit. Fast, quite a lot of life and a skill that unfortunately sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. High cost (700). 11 wins and 3 draws (Deadly Banchess, High Necromancers and Marid Sultans).
18. Cantors. Overall better Zealots, but overall nothing special. A skill that increases damage when a hero casts a debuff should improve this unit a bit in a regular battle. Cost 600. Only 6 fights won and 3 draws. (with Mighty Gorgons, Sorceresses and Power Liches).
19. Enchantresses. Nothing special. It is true that during a normal battle it can cast a mass curse, but in a fight with other level 5 units this unit did not perform very well. However, it has a lot of life (65) and is cheap, only 425 gold. 6 fights won.
20. Master Genies. I don't particularly like this unit. It is true that this unit is quite fast (which is why it defeats most of the shooters on this list) and has a skill that is rarely useful. However, it has little health and dies easily, it costs as much as 600. 6 fights won.
21. Pit Lords. I don't like this unit even more. The skill can sometimes be useful during longer battles on maps, but it is quite situational. Despite high damage, Pit Lords are quite slow and only have 45 health points. The cost is very high, as much as 700. 6 fights won.
22. Power Liches. Although this unit is slightly better in larger battles due to its area attack, Power Liches is a rather weak unit. Costs 600, only 40 life points. 3 fights won and 2 draws (with Cantor and Sorceresses).
23. Sorceresses. Weak unit. The cost is quite high considering its statistics (565 gold). A measly 35 health points. The skills seem cool, but in practice the base statistics are too weak to compensate. Only 2 fight wins and 2 draws. (with Cantors and Power Liches).
24. Zealots. Very weak unit. It has terrible stats, only 30 health points and no meaningful ability (no melee penalty doesn't do anything, Zealots are so weak that you really don't want to melee them). The only thing I can say in their defense is their relatively low cost (450). Personally, I suggest a buff. I always thought that this unit (they are priests after all) should have the ability to cast a bless.
25. Dentroid Soldiers. This unit has 65 life. It's cheap, only 425 gold. But it does not change anything. Dentroid Soldiers only have 4 speeds, drama. Even in hand-to-hand combat, they are not good at fighting and die easily. It is true that due to the special building in the city, you can actually recruit more of them, which compensates a little, but overall it is a very poor choice. Dentroid Soldiers are so slow that they interfere with the hero's movement around the map and it is better to leave them in the city. Only 2 fights won.
26. Magma Elementals. Lets be honest. This is not really a level 5 unit, but at most an average level 4 unit. Magma Elementals are very, very weak. Low life, weak damage and only 6 speed. The cost of 500 is way too high. All 25 fights were lost, many without inflicting any damage on the opponent. Drama.

There will be a test of level 4 units soon. I hope that the above test will be useful in balancing units and will support the game. Thanks kongsuni for your work and such a great mod for our favorite game

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kongsuni said:

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I just saw your review. This is a cool analysis, and thank you for the great review.

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PanzerWDS said:

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I agree, this unit is great. Maybe I should update my previous lists, including units from 4 new cities.

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Ace1 said:

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The new "Yuan-Ti leaders" are an amazing level 6 unit.
150 health, 16-24 damage, attack twice, no retaliation, 9 speed.

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PanzerWDS said:

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I tested the Yuan-ti leaders unit in many fights and I came to an interesting conclusion. This unit is ridiculously powerful. No other 6th level unit has any chance against it. Even some level 7 units, such as Fire Birds and Bone dragons, lose in combat. I'll give you a comparison. Yuan-ti leaders costs 1,100 gold. 150 life, attacks 2 times, no counterattack. 18 attack and defense. 18-24 damage. Naga Queens costs 1600, attacks only once and has no counter either. It has worse attack and defense (16 and 13 respectively). The damage is higher (30), but since it only attacks once, it obviously doesn't do much. The speed is also lower (7 to 9). Absolute lack of balance. Yuan-ti leaders even defeat Naga Empresses, which is an even improved version of Naga queens. I suggest a massive nerf of Yuan-ti leaders, especially life. 150 is way too much.
I fought 100 against 100 units.

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Mannelig said:

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Could you please repost the screenshots ? Nothing is visible rn. Thanks.

*edit*

Also, how do I install this mod ?

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