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return_of_soth
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posted June 07, 2002 07:28 PM |
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i have talked to sir-stivi and i we talk a littel back and forward i wish you all good luck when trying to beat sir_bonner  im out cant go for top placering so no need to go furter mittel place not good enogh for me and im not takink it to hard sir-s or outhers im a bad loser and those 12 games im losing points in will put me to low
i deleted the post ther has nothing to do whit foodball
sorry to made a mess at your post see you at sandros post or on IM GOOD LUCK all
I hope sir-s get a point for this game cool ider to bad im out
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The_Gootch
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posted June 07, 2002 07:55 PM |
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Heh! Portugal is what--the 5th ranked team in the world and it got its butt kicked by the US of A?
Imagine if we took soccer seriously in my country.
Give me a u--U! Give me an s--S! Give me an a--A!
What's that spell? I said--what's that spell?
It spells doom for South Korea, that's what it spells!
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Nebuka
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posted June 07, 2002 09:20 PM |
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Edited By: Nebuka on 8 Jun 2002
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It was great to see so called "outsiders" beating "great" teams of the world. Congratulations to USA, Korea and Senegal...
BTW, I made a page about World Cup...hopefuly you all will check it out.
http://free-zg.hinet.hr/nebuka
Tell me what you think about it...
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Nebuka
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posted June 08, 2002 01:11 PM |
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Italy - Croatia 3:2! No, wait it's 1:2!!!
I'm really happy with this victory but it has sour taste.
Vieri's and Materazzi's goals were regular, nothing wrong with them...no offside, no fouls. But as someone said -
that's football. There's always in big tournaments some bad refereeing.
And now...go China!!!
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DonGio
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posted June 08, 2002 04:40 PM |
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Edited By: DonGio on 8 Jun 2002
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I know. Fack the ass out of that ref. The worst one I've ever seen.
[EDIT]Oh yeah, the Rivaldo ordeal. I say red card for Unsal and Rivaldo both. Unsal for kicking the ball hard at Rivaldo, Rivaldo for auditioning for ER. Not every player would do that. That's pure bullsnow.
I really don't get many players today. Their philosophy seems to consist of two basic postulates:
1) Win at any cost. Cheat, injure, harass, kill, corrupt, whatever.
2) If everyone else is doing something, it is automatically right for me to do it as well
What I enjoy seeing is a player who get's a penalty he shouldn't have had, and then putting the ball deliberatly outside the goal. This is a good example of honor in my book.
I honestly can't see that Maradona could feel good about winning the world cup after ensuring a place in the final by cheating. I mean, even if noone else had seen anything, he would still know that he cheated himself? In what way is that gratifying or satisfying.
And what's that good going snow about taking out Nigeria. They play entertaining soccer, and I would have liked to see them move on to the final stages, with the likes of Jay-Jay Okocha there's never a dull game.
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Nebuka
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posted June 08, 2002 05:15 PM |
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I agree with you Don Gio but you confuse me with this talk of Maradona. He seemed pretty proud talking about 'gods' hand vs England...he's even now angry at Veron when later one said that this game ( 7th June vs England ) is nothing special, just another big game. Little green still has some issues...
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Maniac
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posted June 08, 2002 05:58 PM |
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Costa Rica - Turkey away win
Japan - Russia away win
Mexico - Equador draw
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SubZero
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posted June 08, 2002 06:36 PM |
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Fair Play...
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1) Win at any cost. Cheat, injure, harass, kill, corrupt, whatever.
2) If everyone else is doing something, it is automatically right for me to do it as well
Football has become a theater play...
There's "the green stage" and the actors.
What I think is that people don't know what FAIR PLAY means. It doesn't just mean that all the rude tackling and ball kicking is taken away but also the acting. And I think FAIR PLAY affects the referees too.
The game has become faster and faster. I think there should be some "video referee" action possible at the same time teams are playing. Referee would whistle it as "Not sure" call and video referee would immediately tell his opinion about the case. Yes it could take some time but I think there are lot of time nowadays used for that acting part also (player lying down on field, raising up slowly, limping to be helped with medical and asking to get field after seconds of the incident.) Also all freekicks, throw ins should be taken quicker and the players should be penaltized immediately if they are delaying the game or trying to prevent opponent taking possible freekick.
It seems that lot of time is also used for giving good excuses and we know what excuses are. Everybody has one.
Of course there's the problem that FIFA wants the game played with the same rules all over the world without any technical help but I think the game has become like icehockey in recent years. Too quick to be judged just with three referees' eyes from bad angles. Especially tournaments like this that are important for countries and those major tournaments of clubs should have chance for videorefereeing.
I think this was the cause why Turkey and Italy example lost.
But I think it's more about lack of will to do something for the game than just inability to do it really.
It's politics and we know how fast decisive action happen in politics. It takes years and years.
Maybe Football world needs some kind of scandal like new "hand of god" from some unknown player from some unknown country in final game against a big football country likes of Argentina, Italy or Brazil so people would wake up.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 08, 2002 07:13 PM |
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Some opinions:
Personally id say that things should be as they are now. To me it wouldnt be football if you had a "video referee" to check everything with. First of all i dont like that idea because i think that football should be a sport where mistakes are allowed.
The players can make a mistake so why shouldnt the referee? I can also be very upset with referees, i got it at our Nigeria game since i thought we should have had one penalty and some other stuff. I got angry with a referee twice today when he whistled me off for offside twice even if i was onside by atleast 2 meters.
But usually the "lets blame the referee" stuff is just for that day, on a longer notice you reckongnize that maybe our team wasnt good enough for winning that game. But usually instead of blaming our own loved players we blame the referee for it. Who cares about the referee anyway, right?
On a more fact basis i would say that a video referee system would never ever work. Everytime there is a 50/50 incident "losing team/player" would like a video replay of that situation and try to persuade ref why he is right. A offside situation - same thing. Shirt pulling in the box... players would just try to use that referee for their advantage as they do now. And as many has pointed out in this matter all the time while replaying this would remove all action from the game. Football is supposed to be an intense sport, not a sport where you can get some extra rest by just asking ref for a video replay. Because thats what would happend. Instead of faking injuries they would ask for video replays. And since the faking injuries thing got brought up ill say what i think of it too. I´ll say like this, if a player goes down like he has been ran over by a train he should be treated like it aswell. Give him a full medical outside field, and if he tries to get back on in just a few mins which usually is the case today..then book him. Faking injuries is a game sabotage and game sabotage gives either yellow or red card and therefor players should be treated after that.
As for more bookings if players take to long...well, i think the system is good now. Its a judgement call for the referee´s and thats the way it should be. Because wether we like it or not the referee has a major influence on whats happening on that football field.
With this post im not trying to say that everyone must always agree with a referee´s opinion. I know i dont. But i also know that in the long run i accept it because walking around being angry at a referee wont do me any good anyway. And i also know that he isnt the perfect person on this earth, so he will make mistakes too.
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SubZero
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posted June 08, 2002 07:27 PM |
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What is good for the game...
You seemed the miss my point entirely.
What I meant with my whole post was that to make people see that this game can be improved and must be.
I have already many years been disliking many of the matches and now I noticed how much I hate some things in football.
Problem is that football game ends in scorers like 0-0, 0-1 and so on...so it's close marginals and I think in fact the referees decides how it goes. Of course in long run these things go pretty much even but is 90 minutes long run enough? And in short tournament like this where just one offside call can decide winner/loser?
Thing is that I found now enjoying the game lot less than four years ago and it's not about any other life issue than the game itself.
There are traditions in football that must be followed but also sometimes there's need for radical changes. I believe the time issue what I talked about is one of the reasons why there's no really any interest in United States about the game. It's too slow annd too indecisive to be true american sport.
Videorefereeing is just one possibility. I see the problems there too but sometimes it's decisions between bad and worse.
I love this game, but the same thing with icehockey that the game has changed a lot in just few years and something must be done so the rules and regulations are in order so football can live.
Maybe you can't see the problem but I can see it and in future this will become much clearer issue if nothing is done. I think certain people are already using those holes in rules for their own good...not for the games good.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 08, 2002 09:42 PM |
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Actually i think i understood your point perfectly, and therefor i said what i thought about it. No changes to be made at that level if you ask me. The "changes" that i want too see at the game is harsher penalites for taking dives, pulling shirts and sabotaging the game in general. And thats what the people at FIFA are talking about.
Off course refs are a vital part of a game, but i dont understand this really...first you say that video ref should be added to minimize wrong results which means much of the speed and energy in the game will disappear. And then you complain about the same thing and that it will ruin the game in the long run? please make yourself clearer on this because this seems really weird to me...
I agree on the players make anything to get an advantage part, but thats what FIFA are working on right now. And if anyone knows how to fix this i think its them. They do have more knowledge and experience from the game than no other. And unfortunately they seem to have lots of knowledge how to bribe ppl too but thats another issue...
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SubZero
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posted June 08, 2002 11:13 PM |
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I see...
I agree that changing to videorefereeing is little bit harsh maybe but something must be done?
In long run I meant that the wrong/right calls are nullified but example in short tournament and in single game they might play large part of the game. Maybe it's OK for you but I think I have seen enough wrong penalties/offsides for this lifetime.
About the time issue I meant that I think videorefereeing would slow the game but I think it wouldn't slow it from what it is now and with right approach it could make gameplay faster.
I don't know...maybe we have little bit different perspective to football.
What I see in your opinion is that you are traditionalistic that doesn't want to make any big changes, only small changes to how referee acts. I think it's just not enough...
For me football is about the tactical performance of whole team and the effort from inviduals trying to produce goal. For me football isn't lying on the ground and complaining how it hurts when it clearly isn't. For me football is never referee saying it's penalty when error happens outside the box. Of course referee isn't god but human who makes mistakes but you admit that they make mistakes. I think those mistakes shouldn't start resolving matches so clearly as now some matches in world cup have showed.
What comes to FIFA knowing more about the football than just fan like us...As I said it's possible FIFA acknowledges the fact but as long as football "seems" to be "the good old football" and there aren't major scandals to wake people up, the game will stay as it is. It seems that in FIFA even major scandal doesn't change anything. One good example is also the transfer system and how long it was debated before it was implented. It was finally forced through.
But enough about this.
I think we both understood what each other pointed out. We just stand in other sides of the fences but we both love football...
Let's enjoy the game, enjoy the life.
Shall we? 
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madmartigan
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posted June 08, 2002 11:44 PM |
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Yo Stiven,
Would you still think "ref.'s can/may mistakes" even if Sweden scored 2 legal goals against Argentina and lost the match 1-0?
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 09, 2002 12:14 AM |
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Yes Subzero, i admit that they make mistakes and that was what my last post were all about. Everyone makes mistakes, the refs are no exceptions.
And yes mad, i would still think that ref´s could make mistakes... according to what u said it sounded like they had made mistakes too and i will always accept that they will make them. Which i also pointed out in my previous post, damn doesnt anyone read my posts? 
well, it feels like i wont be able to talk you into my way at looking at things Subzero. Im not against changes to the game as long as i concider them good and they doesnt affect the game to much. The rules in football are changing all the time to the better if you ask me, but i would not call a thing like video refs a progress.
Its kinda amazing that a game can have such an impact on so many different people dont you think. I even heard that the pope had called football "the most important non-important thing in the world". Football is such a great thing, it can unite a people just like that. How many other things can do that in a "friendly" way? Id say its pretty amazing for a game to do that, because believe or not thats what football is... a game (Or atleast thats what they are trying to tell me )
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madmartigan
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posted June 09, 2002 12:30 AM |
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Well, in Turkey there were rumors about ref. cheats would be performed in the World Cup 02. And these rumors took place in April 02. And the head of the FIFA ref. comitte is Senes Erzik, a Turk.
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Nebuka
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posted June 09, 2002 01:15 AM |
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Senes Erzik just recently denied rumours that he critisized Korean referee who's been in a game Brazil vs Turkey so I doubt that earlier rumours came from him too. Chiefs of FIFA have their 'code of neutrality', they aren't allowed to critisize anyone...
As for 'video refereeing' - I'm strongly against it. That would drasticaly slow the game as every now and then someone would complain about something. But maybe as it is in NFL, where coaches can three times ask for video evidence, maybe that can be good in football...well, just maybe...
BTW...check my page finaly! Tell me is it any good...
free-zg.hinet.hr/nebuka
It's updated daily...
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SubZero
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posted June 09, 2002 01:17 AM |
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Football truly unites people...
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Football is such a great thing, it can unite a people just like that. How many other things can do that in a "friendly" way? Id say its pretty amazing for a game to do that, because believe or not thats what football is... a game (Or atleast thats what they are trying to tell me )
I agree...
It's great to know that there are people also in scandinavian countries that think this way. In many countries like Italy, Spain, Brazil and so on...football is life. But many times in Scandinavian countries football is just a game, nothing more. Or at least it's very much that in Finland. Some say why to take it so seriously? It's "only game" and "ordinary life" is much more important.
For me life is game so why game cannot be for life?
People get lots of money out of it by playing the game and it offers something more in life than just the normal busy life from nine to five.
However it's a only a game when it comes to the huligans I think. There must be perspective that all kind of violence what is caused by football is something not to be praised.
I'm not fan really of any particular team but I like to see how game is organized and see people make it a sporting event to remember.
And best thing is that it's something at the sametime something very competitive sport but also friendly "gentlemans' game"...
Football is game played all over the world with some exceptions and it offers chance to people come together with good reason. It's a pity that in USA it isn't bigger sport. Somehow it describes what kind of world they are living.
I think it's not the winning or losing. Yeah, sure it's competition but for me it's just the way how the game is played without signs of our ever existing mortal brutality of humanity.
Now I'm getting carried away to philosophical sides of football...which I prefer discussing still always when compared to discussion of does God exist or not.
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arachnid
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posted June 09, 2002 02:07 AM |
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For me life is game so why game cannot be for life?
Life is a game i agree but football is just a game within the game and so should be in brackets like so: game(game)=life
or maybe its life(game)= game maybe life+game=life(game) no hang on what about game(life)=(life)game
b.u.g.g.e.r it
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hamsi128
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posted June 09, 2002 03:07 AM |
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Senes Erzik just recently denied rumours that he critisized Korean referee who's been in a game Brazil vs Turkey so I doubt that earlier rumours came from him too. Chiefs of FIFA have their 'code of neutrality', they aren't allowed to critisize anyone...
non non and non you dont have any idea about fifa judgement
senes erzik has right to criticise the referee ''after the match'''.. İF YOU DONT HAVE İ CAN SEND YOU FİFA LAW BOOK
and even the korean critice their citizen how is possible to defend him... he made a mistake and he is punished ... he cant be in the world cup anymore
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return_of_soth
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posted June 09, 2002 08:49 AM |
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