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Disturbed-Gnu
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posted May 11, 2009 04:44 PM |
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Bone Dragon! I like the ability FEAR.. And skeletal abilty helps it against stupid shooters..
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BAD
Promising
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posted October 04, 2009 02:16 AM |
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Depends...Devils are a pain in the neck for Heroes, but Bone Dragons are very strong with fear and resistance to shooters.
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letterman
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posted October 04, 2009 10:02 AM |
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Devils are the best herokillers , Bone dragons are the best tank... dragons most of the time 
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TheUnknown
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posted October 04, 2009 05:16 PM |
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If a map is rich with artifacts Devils are better, they can summon the Ice Demons multiple times if you have the correct stuff in battle. Bone Dragons are undead and are perfect for taking down the creatures on the town towers, even if they don't take the enemy out, they have extra defense unlike Devils, but the Devils have better attack. As always many many sweet combinations, I would love to have them both  first wait with both creatures then the Bone Dragons hit and chase away the creatures from the tower and then the Devils go on the tower and hit them 
Ice demons or Fear work wonders in helping out the Venom Spawns (fear is a bit better), specially when you have them both. For Vampires, the Ice Demons are better as an ally.
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alcibiades
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of Gold Dragons
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posted October 05, 2009 06:11 PM |
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Devils + Vampiric Touch = 
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Fauch
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posted October 05, 2009 11:03 PM |
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ice demon are cool, because you can use them as cannon fodder
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Bones_xa
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posted April 24, 2010 06:44 PM |
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Both are good, but I'd say for against the computer Bone Dragons are better.
They have that fear ability which means they can attack units without them retaliating, and even if the unit has first strike.
Devils are great if you need to take out an immediate threat.
But there are drawbacks to the devil. One is that if you summon Ice demons you have to wait till the next turn to attack. Another is that you might want to cast first strike or aura of fear on them before sending them in, but they will often go first because of their high speed, which means you have to have them wait, meaning they will act near the end of the round.
Another thing is that if you do send in the devils to hit a hero, they are then left there surrounded by all enemies and thus are vulnerable.
You could however do a hit and run; wait, teleport at the end of the turn then teleport back on beginning of next turn. However its not guaranteed that you can get out of there so fast, the enemy might have units that act before you and you may not have first strike or aura of fear spell which means the devils will take damage or losses.
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Gauldoth_IV
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nobody
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posted April 25, 2010 06:35 AM |
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Well, Both Bone Dragons and Devils are powerful, how to choose sometime is just depend on the situation you met.
For me, generally, I prefer the Devil, although in my opinion Bone Dragons are better than Devil, cause they never been effected by the mind magic. But again, Devil looks cooler, that's why I prefer Devil
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 25, 2010 07:56 AM |
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Of course,Bone Dragon.They have more health and more speed,the fear ability is very useful,enemies can't retaliate.The skeletal ability is always welcome and the classic necropolis speciality,undead, protect agasint the bad morale(but the good morale is keep away )and mind spells.
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Fauch
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posted April 26, 2010 12:14 AM |
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bone dragons have more speed than devils?? loool 
and the devil can also hit without retaliation. take the retaliation with the ice demons first.
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They have that fear ability which means they can attack units without them retaliating, and even if the unit has first strike.
not always. not only the golem dragon will retaliate, but it will strike first.
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TheUnknown
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posted April 26, 2010 08:08 AM |
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Generally prefer the devils but its very situational
Against life for example i go 99% go devils.
Against order devils are again the better choice for me (if your enemy gets dragon golems and you have bone dragons you're pretty much dead, with devils you only need to watch out for hypnotize)
Against chaos i would prefer the bone dragon, its better against the hydra and cannot be terrored, it has more hp to withstand damaging spells and efreets fire shield and also hand of death and medusae specialty cannot be used on them, against black dragons vampiric touch helps better than to the devil.
Against nature I would go bone dragon again as the natures units have big defense and spell damage you need to have good attack and big hp, also bone dragons cannot be blinded and most of the good blessing spells can be cast on them this is important as nature has a hard time finding cancellation or dispel.
Against might I think both devils and bone dragons are good, here i think the lvl 3 creature choice is more important i would choose venom spawn as might cannot remove poison and venom can stay far away from the super strong melee creatures, slowing + aging + weakness is a great combo against might creatures, one problem that can arise is hero armies with gm combat melee etc against them i would prefer bone dragons as even though they are slow they take less dmg from arrows and cat reflexes can be cast on them as much as the devils, venom spawns here are again the winner as they kill from afar while the 4 lvl kicks from melee range.
Against death bone dragon is better as its great against both venom and vampire, cannot be aged or hipnotised or have hand of death or sorrow casted on him, withstands damaging spells easier and so on ..
Another factor that can help the devils overall is a positive morale which increases damage and makes their turn come faster.
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Fauch
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posted April 26, 2010 05:08 PM |
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(if your enemy gets dragon golems and you have bone dragons you're pretty much dead, with devils you only need to watch out for hypnotize)
golems dragons are such a pain. devils as well would get crushed by them. your only chance is to steal one retaliation with the ice demon (which will probably result in all of them dying without inflicting any damage) but at least it means your devil can get a free attack. spells like terror, aura of fear or first strike are of no help.
we should also add that golem dragon are immune to life drain, poison, aging, sorrow... which makes them one of the worst opponents for a death army.
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Kreegan
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posted April 26, 2010 09:23 PM |
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Edited by Kreegan at 21:29, 26 Apr 2010.
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Definitely I prefe Devils... maybe it is 'Cause the could summon those Ice Demons?
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Bones_xa
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posted April 27, 2010 01:59 PM |
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not always. not only the golem dragon will retaliate, but it will strike first.
Oh right. Dragon golems aren't affected by fear spells because they are mechanical. Good thing to keep in mind when you got bone dragons.
Ya actually a lot of useful spells won't work on them. They can definitely be a problem for some hero and army groups.
Probably best to hit them with ranged attackers and chaos direct damage spells. Devils would probably be of more use against them, as the Ice demons can soak up the first retaliation. I wonder too if the Dragons golems can be frozen by the Ice demons?
Shows again why some units are better than others depending on the situation. Also another example that shows that the game is well balanced.
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Fauch
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posted April 27, 2010 05:15 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 17:16, 27 Apr 2010.
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yes they can get frozen I think. if at least one demon survive and get the chance to attack. they have 30% chance to freeze I think. and then the ennemy is pretty much dead I think.
that's one of the great thing about the devil. the ice demon do all the dirty job and you suffer no loses.
imps can give mana to the devil for more demons.
best chance against golems dragons, I would say titan (shooter) and hydra (no retaliation) unfortunately, they are both weaker than golems dragons.
worst enemies of the bone dragon : most likely the crusaders with rune of death. the monk isn't a problem since the dragon is skeletal.
golems dragons of course, and caster such as genies, water elementals and faerie dragons are always a pain in the ass.
the devil has few weakness but poor stats, the worst opponents might be mantis because they prevent him from teleporting and faerie dragon, because even if you attack them 1st turn, they can still destroy you with lightning.
you might have a chance to destroy a stack of water elementals or genies before they can act.
hard to deal with medusas without having loses also.
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ohforfsake
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posted April 27, 2010 06:21 PM |
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best chance against golems dragons, I would say titan (shooter) and hydra (no retaliation) unfortunately, they are both weaker than golems dragons.
I remember loving to go for 100 vs 100 of level 4 creatues fights [and later growth compensated, so it'd be something like 100 vs. 200, etc.] when I was younger.
To bad I can't find the game anymore though, however as I recall it, golem dragons were never that strong, as they sound from these latest posts.
Sure I can see how it's an occasion where you might want venom spawns for necro, but in general, I don't really think golem dragons are that good.
I believe they loose to monsters such as phoenix, black dragons, behemoths and mantis, but it's such a long time ago.
I think I'll get the game and try it out though!
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Gauldoth_IV
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nobody
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posted April 27, 2010 06:29 PM |
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Normally, the golems dragons just for a way to treat with the vampires' life drain when order face to the death, they are no more powerful than titan, although the first strike is not bad.
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Bones_xa
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posted April 27, 2010 08:18 PM |
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To bad I can't find the game anymore though, however as I recall it, golem dragons were never that strong, as they sound from these latest posts.
Sure I can see how it's an occasion where you might want venom spawns for necro, but in general, I don't really think golem dragons are that good.
Sure ya their stats aren't as good as some of the other level 4s, and Dragon golems may not come out as victors against other units, but the main thing with Dragon Golems is that they can be a major problem to deal with because of their attributes; you may end up taking heavy loses after a battle with these units present.
Back on topic, currently the poll results on page 1 for Devils vs. Bone Dragons is 45-45.
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gEMx
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posted May 01, 2010 01:07 AM |
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devils for sure
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MSG-1-1
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posted May 05, 2010 10:42 AM |
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Devils 90% of the time.
Undead is way too big minus for morale.
+ devils + cancel just massacre the heroes.
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