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posted January 17, 2012 05:53 PM |
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I think you people are gravely misunderstanding JJ here... **** maybe I am too, but as far as I can tell he's advocating sexual education not "GO OUT AND DO SOME ORGIES KIDS IT'S ALL GREAT FUN".
As far as the right age for sex-ed I got mine when I was about 10-11 years old. Was a lot of giggles and stuff but it stuck in my head. Just discussion about the differences between men and women and what we could expect from the years ahead of us.
At 14 we got more advanced sex-ed with learning how to put a condom on and many talks about STDs. This we took seriously (OH GOD I NEED TO PUT THIS CONDOM UNTO THIS PLASTIC THINGY CORRECTLY, PUT YOUR COOLFACE ON YOU NEED TO LOOK LIKE YOU DO THIS DAILY)
I found it all reasonable.
Oh yeah and I've had sexual thoughts since I was 9.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:05 PM |
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Yeah. Knowledge is all you want for a good, straightforward sex ed class.
Nobody is (or should be) telling students whether they should or shouldn't have sex when they're 8, 12, 16, 40, or ever. It's not a class on lifestyle choices. That is all unrelated. The class is to inform students about sex and the problems that can potentially come with it. It's to give them the ability to make informed decisions rather than to be stabbing around in the dark, no pun intended.
If the sex ed class you were in was pressuring you to immediately throw yourself on the nearest hooker, or to avoid sex like the plague, then it was a bad sex ed class. The goal of the class is giving information, just like any other class.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:18 PM |
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Well what I am stating is that sex education should be taught by parents and any sex ed. at school should be with the parents agreement, as and when they believe their children are ready.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:29 PM |
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Meroe: Christian fundamentalists have no right to brainwash their children.
Not teaching sex education results in massive amounts of unwanted pregnancy and spread of STD. It also results in fear myths, which sound silly to the knowledgeable.
So spew the Fundamentalist propaganda elsewhere. The parents have no right to deny their children knowledge.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:42 PM |
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Well what I am stating is that sex education should be taught by parents and any sex ed. at school should be with the parents agreement, as and when they believe their children are ready.
Well, this leads into a much bigger topic over the entire idea of public education. Sex ed can be a touchy topic, but it's not the only subject where people can be sensitive. Hell, it's possible for a person to be sensitive over anything.
Again, ideally, a school system shouldn't be advocating a particular lifestyle, but should be focused on disseminating information and giving students the ability to make informed decisions in life. It's to enhance their ability to make decisions, not to make their decisions for them. If parents can omit their students from sex ed, should they also be able to omit them from history class? The parents might be very strongly opinionated over a certain period in history a few decades ago and would prefer that they not attend. What about biology class? Or literature? All of those classes will ultimately run into topics that can be sensitive for people. The least likely subject that will ever run into trouble is math class, but I wouldn't be surprised that somehow among those millions of students, there's a parent that would be pissed off about it for one reason or another.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:50 PM |
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Doing it & learning it are 2 different things.
At least boys are a few years behind to mature.
If we like it or not, we have to face reality that people are learning it at a younger age & kids pick up on anything.
All kids are different.
Some kids will understand the dangers & actually learn from it.
Some kids will want to purposely be the bad kid & experiment anyways.
It is just dangerous times
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posted January 17, 2012 06:53 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 18:56, 17 Jan 2012.
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@Diablo: Where the hell did "Christian fundamentalists" come from? Hahahaha.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:54 PM |
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@DD Quote:
Christian fundamentalists have no right to brainwash their children
What planet are you from I wonder 
@Blizz, sex ed and history are slightly different, even though I agree that "whats your fav sex position" could make SAT tests more fun 
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posted January 17, 2012 06:57 PM |
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Adrius & smithey: Mongrels 
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posted January 17, 2012 07:09 PM |
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Exactly.
Smithey, this is an answer mostly to you.
PROTECTION is what parents do with their kids until they can protect themselves.
EDUCATION is what parents and society do to enable the (once) kids to protect themselves. (Protection in the widest sense)
This is necessary since the once kids must be enabled to eeventually protect and educate their own children.
So nature sets the first mark. Physical maturity. Animals aim to finish education once the cubs reach physical maturity.
Humans, however, do things differently. To be able to "protect" a family you need to be able to feed it - you need a job. Education nowadays takes a long time, since there are very complicated and complex jobs.
However, no job, no family (without welfare, that is).
So there is a gap now between the average time of being able to CREATE family and being able to FEED a family.
Educationally, in times of ignorance of contraceptive methods (for whatever the reasons), it makes no sense to prepare kids for sexual relations BEFORE they are economically able to feed a family.
Without contraceptives this is doubtlessly not wrong. It makes no sense to let people have sex just that, when their education isn't finished, meaning they cannot stand the consequences.
With contraception, however, that reason is just evaporating - and legal regulations are obviously reflecting this, by lowering aocs, for example.
However. without the use of contraceptives it would be folly to allow sex before the age someone can realistically feed a child.
Which means, if we in fact allow PUPILS to have sex, legally, and we do that, since it makes no sense to forbid a 20-year-old sex because he or she is still studying - then we MUST educate them correctly: to USE the darn things and HOW.
And since all "maturity considerations" are completely arbitrary, we must do it EARLY, because people are different, and some start early, while others are late. It doesn't do to say, I don't want my son or daughter to have sex before the age of 16, so I simply do not educate him/her.
I repeat - education means to prepare a person to be INDEPENDENT /which means mature in a certain way). Just because it takes a lot of gtime to learn for a complex career, doesn't mean SOCIAL skills to learn and grasp and the understanding of ones own body would take just as long.
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posted January 17, 2012 07:52 PM |
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@Meroe (although my post is directed at others as well)
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Well what I am stating is that sex education should be taught by parents and any sex ed. at school should be with the parents agreement, as and when they believe their children are ready.
What's the difference between sex-ed and, say, math, exactly?
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posted January 17, 2012 08:05 PM |
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Nothing.
You + Me = Us, baby.
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posted January 17, 2012 08:42 PM |
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At my old school we started having basic Sex education when we're like 9-11 years old. (might have been even younger, but it too long ago for my poor memory)
Pretty natural if you ask me, seeing as kids are curious about that stuff at those ages anyway. Actually I have fond memories from those times, it was really nice having an open dialog with your teacher about stuff that "you normally didn't talk about".
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posted January 17, 2012 08:57 PM |
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Well Corribus the difference is that math is harmless & sex could be very harmful.
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posted January 17, 2012 09:13 PM |
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math is harmless
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posted January 17, 2012 09:18 PM |
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I always thought that you are educated ESPECIALLY when things are dangerous.
Traffic, for example. Do you think it would be a good idea to say to your child, "Dear, those cars outside are sztonger than you. Be careful when you go outside. Oh, and if you see something red, STOP."
Don't think so.
Then there is sports. Athletics. Gymnastics. Think about those 12-year-old gymnastic girls, flic-flacing on the beam, whirling around on the asymmetrical bars... what do you think, how early are they beginning? How rigidly and hard is their training?
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posted January 17, 2012 09:20 PM |
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Well Corribus the difference is that math is harmless & sex could be very harmful.
Anything can be harmful if used improperly, and besides - we're talking about KNOWLEDGE here. I'd argue that sex's capacity for arm is an argument FOR education and not against it.
Anyway, if it helps, swap math for chemistry. I don't think you'd argue that chemicals can't be harmful. My question is the same. What's the difference really between sex-ed and education about chemistry?
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posted January 17, 2012 09:26 PM |
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I guess as parents it is harder to except at a young age, but in reality. It is what it is.
Chemistry & sex, oh great lol.
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posted January 17, 2012 09:36 PM |
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Why not Biology? Social Sciences?
Or, if that's too cheap: History? Politics? Religion
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posted January 17, 2012 10:33 PM |
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How is math different from sex ed... Let's see
In math 1+1=2, in sex ed 1+1=3,4,5, you get the point
Math gets graded, sex ed doesnt
Math or its goal at least is to develop ones brain and way of thinking, problem solving skills, encourages curiousity, sex ed is similar to "dont do drugs" and curiousity on the topic is actually unwanted...
Math is taught for many years, sex ed is usually an intro to other classes and not really taken seriously hence fails delivering the message...
Being good in math might get you a good job and money, being good in sex might get you a "good" job but not in a way any parent would be proud of you...
Sex ed is more about morals and norms and less about education, sex ed belongs in the same category as smoking, drugs, religion, alcohol while math belongs into the category with other sciences...
Why am I against it -
- At the age of 10-12 does sex exist within kids minds ? The answer is yes, but lets face it, at that age it is not the main interest, introducing sex ed ensures that every child in school will discuss sex wihtout a doubt, telling kids not to do sex will increase curiousity and probably result in many of them trying it out because they were told not to, the same thing happens with smoking, drugs, alcohol....
- Open discussion amongst kids on the subject will encourage sexual behavior and will introduce peer pressure hence place young kids in a situation where its either you're doing it or you're not cool.
- Sexual education is important but should be done 1 on 1 between a kid and a parent or between a kid and a professional (psychiatrist not a hooker  ) unlike some random teacher who will without a doubt introduce his subjective stance into the "education".
If it's my kid I want him/her to get morality lessons at home instead of in school by who knows who...
- We have sex ed's and yet we have more unwanted pregnancies than ever, why ? because sex ed in schools is a joke it introduces just the tip of an iceberg, just enough to get everybody curious about it, the message isnt being received because schools have no business delivering the message anyhow nor are they doing it in a proper manner...
- What about religious beliefs ? Arent most religions against sex before marriage ? What gives school the right to educate our kids on morals ? In a same way I dont want a school to have religious bible teachings I dont want it to teach my kids about sex, my kid, my job to educate him/her the way I choose to...
Lets leave parenting to parents instead of pushing agendas through schools...
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